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KingCharlemagne

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141. I only wish that discussions of Ukraine and what is happening there
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 11:48 AM
Feb 2015

could begin from this excerpt of Kissinger's remarks:

We have to remember that Russia is an important part of the international system, and therefore useful in solving all sorts of other crises, for example in the agreement on nuclear proliferation with Iran or over Syria. This has to have preference over a tactical escalation in a specific case. On the one hand it is important that Ukraine remain an independent state, and it should have the right to economic and commercial associations of its choice. But I don't think it's a law of nature that every state must have the right to be an ally in the frame work of NATO. You and I know that NATO will never vote unanimously for the entry of Ukraine. (Emphasis added)


In this one brief passage, Kissinger exposes and deconstructs the Russophobes' agenda, thereby nullifying their entire raison d'etre. While he has much to answer for before the bar of history, here at least Kissinger speaks like the sole adult in the room. That it fell to him of all people to re-assert the primacy of the post-Westphalian system is irony taken to an art form (IMHO

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He's on mine. Why wouldn't he be. He's brilliant. Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #1
Hear! Here! 2banon Feb 2015 #109
It depends on the content of his contribution. sibelian Feb 2015 #2
Fact Based Observations. 2banon Feb 2015 #110
Well, I doubt your thread will be locked preemptively... Orsino Feb 2015 #3
Sure! FBaggins Feb 2015 #4
It's ridiculous, isn't it? nt bananas Feb 2015 #5
If he's not then DU is seriously fucked up. L0oniX Feb 2015 #6
I had a Chomsky vid locked by jury because it was on RT. Mika Feb 2015 #7
I had a Video of John Pilger interview on worry about Cold War with Russia KoKo Feb 2015 #10
What??? John Pilger? Wow, who on the Left would even consider sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #16
the truth is coming out and they are getting desperate Ramses Feb 2015 #22
Nope, no hyperbole here. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #24
Any critique of US imperialism is guaranteed to be rapidly thrown under the bus here. 2banon Feb 2015 #111
Pilger's been under the bus for some time now. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #39
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised anymore. Funny how 'popular' he was during the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #44
Journalists under the bus, and Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #48
always the messengers G_j Feb 2015 #106
DU's blinders on makes for good lock step. L0oniX Feb 2015 #43
McCarthy Cloned Boot Licker Brigade... 2banon Feb 2015 #145
Fucking. Arseholes. sibelian Feb 2015 #31
That's utterly insane Warpy Feb 2015 #78
The inveterate Russophobe (and descendant from Polish nobility) Zbigniew KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #100
I Missed that one! would you happen to have the link handy? 2banon Feb 2015 #114
Although I can read German (with considerable effort), I read this interview in the English-language KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #127
thanks for the link, interesting interview but his ego is beyond the pale 2banon Feb 2015 #139
I only wish that discussions of Ukraine and what is happening there KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #141
Somehow I missed his quote wrt to NATO, Very Revealing Indeed! 2banon Feb 2015 #144
Spot on Warpy.. 2banon Feb 2015 #112
I agree, Warpy MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #138
It seems to be up to the Jury to Decide on what is approved... KoKo Feb 2015 #8
Wow. That post is frightening in its slack-jawed, mewling acquiesence to authority. Maedhros Feb 2015 #29
Interesting list there. I noticed that some of the would-be sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #54
"LGF" used to single out DU'ers and make fun of them back in the early 2000's KoKo Feb 2015 #57
Yes, you are correct. Little Green Footballs was one of the more hateful sites sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #58
Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue, as was said by a very KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #130
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #9
I would hope he's still approved of... elias49 Feb 2015 #11
He better be, otherwise who is next? Jospeh Campbell? Rex Feb 2015 #12
Yup. nt elias49 Feb 2015 #13
I agree, 'any of those names get locked on DU, it is game over for this place' sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #14
Yes, yes, a thousand times, YES. closeupready Feb 2015 #30
For some years now I sorta been waiting for Bill Moyers to hit the shit list. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #49
Jeremy Scahill is on the list too. neverforget Feb 2015 #80
Shocking, some DUers take exception to videos consisting of apologist nonsense NuclearDem Feb 2015 #15
Chomsky is an 'apologist' for fascism and homophobia in your view? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #17
I said no such thing. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #19
Comprehension isn't hard at all. And I have some axes to grind sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #27
And off into tangentland again. I don't know why I even bother. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #35
Yet this post is about a video interview with Chomsky and how it was hidden. Maedhros Feb 2015 #32
I had no idea about the video, and have never seen it. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #38
Your response to the OP was: Maedhros Feb 2015 #47
I wasn't referring to that video in particular. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #59
Then I'm left wondering why you made your post in reference to the OP. Maedhros Feb 2015 #63
Again, my fault. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #68
"Apologists Nonsense" - quintessential Cold War Propaganda meme. 2banon Feb 2015 #115
Your post is one of the best, most succinct takedowns I've witnessed on this site. Serious KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #131
Well, I guess I've tried so many that didn't work Maedhros Feb 2015 #133
Nothing in the OP about the hide treestar Feb 2015 #99
That was clearly your implication, otherwise why post what you did? nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #55
No, it wasn't. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #60
if he say anything negative about the US Ramses Feb 2015 #18
You don't need permission from the Circle D Inquisition Squad to post a damn thing TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #20
Plenty of DUers hate Chomsky RedCappedBandit Feb 2015 #21
Funny how when you drill down all that they hate you end up with the Corp-Media and rhett o rick Feb 2015 #64
Well, some seem to only want to hear "feel good" propaganda dissentient Feb 2015 #23
My hard learned lesson about the "DU approved" list 90-percent Feb 2015 #25
The Sensible Pragmatics have never cared for him much, QC Feb 2015 #26
A quick search. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #28
We need a two-prong test for locking threads: 1) unacceptable media; AND 2) unacceptable message. leveymg Feb 2015 #33
There are messages and various everchanging "lists" of messengers here that's for sure levymg bobthedrummer Feb 2015 #107
No Rhyme No Reason moniss Feb 2015 #36
So long as he's discussing the Bush years, he's approved. Marr Feb 2015 #37
He's on mine. bigwillq Feb 2015 #40
There's no guarantee anymore, Mika. It's sad, actually. countryjake Feb 2015 #41
he doesn't play kissy face with the prez or dems in general. or israel. or 'the west'. KG Feb 2015 #42
Who would have guessed back in 2001 that a poster as respected as Mika Karmadillo Feb 2015 #45
+100,000,000 countryjake Feb 2015 #46
Thanks. I've been here since day 2. Mika Feb 2015 #52
Great spot malaise Feb 2015 #62
Talk about discussing people not ideas treestar Feb 2015 #71
Yep, just read the whole thread. joshcryer Feb 2015 #85
I particularly dislike too treestar Feb 2015 #101
Yes and it seems that notice has a few angry. Rex Feb 2015 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #50
"devolved" Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #120
Is there only the acceptable party line on DU as far as Ukraine goes? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #51
That's the worry ...there's no declared policy but DU'ers getting posts locked KoKo Feb 2015 #67
I remember those times too and am similarly appalled when censorship is applied here. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #81
Agreed, this is serious stuff Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #91
Spot On Koko! Spot freaking On! 2banon Feb 2015 #118
Agree 1000%. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #134
Glad to hear it.. :) 2banon Feb 2015 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #142
Gimme a break treestar Feb 2015 #102
As far as Ukraine goes? Only if it's USA! USA! USA! (apparently) 2banon Feb 2015 #116
It would seem to me that there is a larger contingent on DU that has a specific agenda: Maedhros Feb 2015 #53
seems like a smaller contingent reddread Feb 2015 #56
Alright, this is the second fucking time. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #61
i never called any Democrats those things reddread Feb 2015 #74
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #77
Glad that got hid. Ugly comments on many similar threads from that poster Ramses Feb 2015 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #83
+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #87
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #65
To them, "liberal" means as little as it does to Republicans. Maedhros Feb 2015 #66
I'm going to post this here as the reason why rhett of rick's comment was hidden BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #121
absolutely bizarre. thanks for posting the details on that spurious alert. 2banon Feb 2015 #122
The alert was all about not liking the poster, not about the post itself. So OBVIOUS BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #126
When your arguments lack merit, suppress your opponent's voice. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #123
+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #88
+1 SixString Feb 2015 #69
How you can honestly claim any discussion is "shut down" treestar Feb 2015 #72
This is pure projection. Discussion is shut down with the many, many alerts, locks, and hides that rhett o rick Feb 2015 #79
Good Lord Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #98
yep, the host proudly sitting in judgement of DUers instead of the content of the posts...... bettyellen Feb 2015 #124
Oops... zappaman Feb 2015 #132
well, they were instrumental in forming our "group", LOL.... bettyellen Feb 2015 #136
Geez you'd think the board was full of hides and locks treestar Feb 2015 #103
I haven't seen a host-locked thread that wasn't about guns in years, LOL! bettyellen Feb 2015 #135
+1 Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #93
No one is immune from critiques on that subject treestar Feb 2015 #70
Chomsky isn't a place or a site Fumesucker Feb 2015 #73
The OP doesn't make that complaint treestar Feb 2015 #104
Chomsky is a conspiracy theorist now? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #113
Depends on the issue treestar Feb 2015 #119
Do you have that list? n/t Autumn Feb 2015 #76
No, but it must be here somewhere treestar Feb 2015 #105
Chomsky is Chomsky where ever the fuck he is published and JEB Feb 2015 #84
Probably a crap alert. joshcryer Feb 2015 #86
It lessen us when we are prevented from using our own intellectual capacity to judge. OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #89
The day Chomsky becomes..... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #90
.ditto n/t Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #94
+1 Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #95
I intend to stick around Caretha Feb 2015 #96
You might be interested in reading Bob Altemeyer's book, available for FREE Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #92
He's on my "approved" list, LWolf Feb 2015 #97
He is on mine Marrah_G Feb 2015 #108
Good grief! HappyMe Feb 2015 #117
Next time you post a Liberal's POV on RT MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #125
DU begins the process of disappearing up its own ass. NuttyFluffers Feb 2015 #128
There is a DU "approved" list? Did I miss something? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Feb 2015 #143
Hosts have decided to lock this. Not due to anything against Chomsky, but because it's turning into LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #146
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