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120. First of all, please allow me to applaud your party esprit. That is a laudable

Sun Feb 15, 2015, 12:09 PM

Feb 2015

attribute and one not to be taken lightly in these days of loose party affiliation. So Bravo! to you.

However, that is your system of ethics and, laudable though it may be, is not exactly mine. The degree of my support for Ms. Clinton is conditional. To wit, for Ms. Clinton to earn my unqualified and enthusiastic support, she must first apologize to the nation and to the party for her vote to authorize the invasion and occupation of Iraq in March 2003. Her vote helped enable the crime of the century, if not of the millennium to come -- knock on wood about Ukraine. As a corollary, I would hope to see Ms. Clinton announce the immediate commencement of war crimes investigations by the Department of Justice upon her inauguration.

In the absence of such an apology, I shall hold my nose and vote for Ms. Clinton as the 'lesser of two evils,' but with a full understanding that I am voting for her only to stave off a fascist consolidation of power in a one-party state, and not out of admiration or respect for her positions, achievements or potential.

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I see the anti-Hillary brigade is on another tear... [View all] brooklynite Feb 2015 OP

I think they save it up for the weekend. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #1

Yeah pointing out that HRCs big donors crashed the economy in 2008 Rex Feb 2015 #2

Yeah, she should have refused ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #9

No just corporate donations and thanks for proving me right. Rex Feb 2015 #10

Yes, a pittance ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #21

Corporations don't donate to federal candidates. former9thward Feb 2015 #26

Hence, the claim that certain companies gave money to her is a bald-faced lie. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #33

"irrational loathing" , Really? 2banon Feb 2015 #99

Well what did you expect? For one of the few to say they don't know Rex Feb 2015 #127

I used to really appreciate her writing back during Bushco years 2banon Feb 2015 #161

Well probably not a lie depending on if they know the law. former9thward Feb 2015 #103

Last night, People paid $30,000 to see Obama here in SF... displacedtexan Feb 2015 #47

$30,000 not a lot of dough if you're a politician 2banon Feb 2015 #100

Bernie Sanders took money from HILLPAC--and that "Hill" doesn't stand for "The Hills are Alive with MADem Feb 2015 #153

Two other names close to corporations is Warren and Sanders, dont hear complaints about them. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #20

Show me the money. Rex Feb 2015 #23

Warren has admitted taking money for her campaign from Wall Street, this Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #32

Total from top 8 for HRC Rex Feb 2015 #36

I take Warren's statement to be truthful, perhaps open secrets did not go back Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #44

Facts are stubborn things. zeemike Feb 2015 #73

What, you don't know? Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #129

She is like the only one out there airing the banks' dirty laundry JonLP24 Feb 2015 #174

"Elizabeth Warren's Money Machine" brooklynite Feb 2015 #38

#36 Rex Feb 2015 #40

You post an article from a site that advocates abolishing the EPA RiverLover Feb 2015 #62

Um, this was from two years ago during Warren's Senate campaign brooklynite Feb 2015 #74

Makes sense. Like Scott Brown back then, they sure love Scott Walker there today! RiverLover Feb 2015 #80

The upthread comment was disbelief that Warren would take Wall Street money brooklynite Feb 2015 #84

You were shocked that National Review exists? unrepentant progress Feb 2015 #128

I think some of the false outrage is amusing as hell, frankly. MADem Feb 2015 #155

I think someone whose spouse contributes thousands to Warren isn't "anti" Warren. MADem Feb 2015 #154

Oh, horrors! Here come "the abortion fanatics at Emily�s List"! Jim Lane Feb 2015 #65

Well Done! 2banon Feb 2015 #102

Good grief--read what the guy writes, fachrissake. MADem Feb 2015 #156

It's amazing that someone would sell out so cheaply. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #113

What's even more amazing ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #114

Took her years to pay off her campaign debt. LOL, some great support there. nt Logical Feb 2015 #148

Well how else do you get to the billion... Historic NY Feb 2015 #46

Yeah fuck writting common sense legislation. The guy with the most expensive pony wins! Rex Feb 2015 #49

Everybody's donors crashed the economy. They give to everyone now. No one leaves a base McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #112

Nobody has announced their candidacy yet Aerows Feb 2015 #3

Her associations speak for themselves. hifiguy Feb 2015 #4

But it's just Henry! Rex Feb 2015 #13

Rupert Murdoch, as well. BlueStater Feb 2015 #18

Don't think that will last.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #27

You don't think that will last? Caretha Feb 2015 #58

And? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #5

a reminder of reality AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #175

Eye of... onyourleft Feb 2015 #6

You sure spend a lot of time talking about things that don't bother you. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #7

it bothers you enough to start a thread about it with three links! nt m-lekktor Feb 2015 #8

I appreciate the links. I had yet to Rec one of them, though I'd already seen the other two. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #12

This is a mild freakout compared to last Nov 4th. Rex Feb 2015 #16

My guess is that you are really gonna HATE the primaries. djean111 Feb 2015 #11

...and yet, I haven't lonbed a single insult at either Warren or Sanders brooklynite Feb 2015 #42

People are "insulting" Hillary's policies. There will be a lot of that. That's part of politics. djean111 Feb 2015 #48

I'm pretty sure hillary is running gwheezie Feb 2015 #14

what are you worried about? hopemountain Feb 2015 #15

I read how Warren was liberal because she supports increases in minimum wage, Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #17

But you forgot Benghazi! freshwest Feb 2015 #60

Oh, yes forgot about testifying to Congress, namely Darrel Isis, not many has Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #64

Not only that, but she supports Hillary Clinton's candidacy. Oh yes, and exasperated by the BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #180

I prefer to think of them as the pro-working-Americans brigade MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #19

Or maybe someone just found an article that made good reading? newthinking Feb 2015 #29

I'm with MoveOn.org! Stellar Feb 2015 #22

Yeah I think you just brought up the main point for all this faux drama. Rex Feb 2015 #24

Tee-hee! Stellar Feb 2015 #82

I agree with Elizabeth Warren: Run Hillary run! NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #43

You win the thread! freshwest Feb 2015 #54

Elizabeth Warren is a nice person right Stellar Feb 2015 #85

Touche', Monsieur NYC Liberal~ Cha Feb 2015 #88

You pretzeled it right around back at 'em! NBachers Feb 2015 #101

Mic drop! eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #106

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2015 #116

"Anti-Hillary brigade"-- like the right-wingers claiming Bush Derangement Syndrome LittleBlue Feb 2015 #25

Bingo! hifiguy Feb 2015 #28

Yeah it is so old and played out here that everyone sees it for what it is. Rex Feb 2015 #31

What policies? BainsBane Feb 2015 #39

The republic is two hundred twenty six years old. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #76

Yes, but those who only discovered income inequality in the past couple of years BainsBane Feb 2015 #92

Michael Harrington wrote "The Other America" In 1962.* DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #94

If you don't hate Clinton more than anyone on earth BainsBane Feb 2015 #30

Yes, I never cared for her as a candidate. But dammit I agree with you here: freshwest Feb 2015 #59

They claim he is to the left of Clinton and even the entire Democratic Party BainsBane Feb 2015 #89

You obviously don't understand. NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #34

Would be helpful for you to list reasons WHY you support Hillary...so soon... KoKo Feb 2015 #37

My biggest reason for supporting Hillary ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #41

But that Ignores what Message she will run on to get all of us out here... KoKo Feb 2015 #50

She's a Democrat. NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #55

Not all Democratas are good. 840high Feb 2015 #75

The worst Democrat is better than the best Republican. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #81

I don't agree but you're 840high Feb 2015 #86

I swear I'm not being snarky then why are on a Democratic site. /NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #91

Why shouldn't I be 840high Feb 2015 #132

Zell Miller. Autumn Feb 2015 #138

I don't vote on the basis of ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #110

Thanks for breaking it down into easy-to-understand, bite-sized pieces, Nance. NBachers Feb 2015 #104

I've supported HRC, to the hilt, ever since I watched her tell certain Christian conservative msanthrope Feb 2015 #168

Oh Oh !!!! Caretha Feb 2015 #57

I'm not trying to persuade anyone. NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #66

They did a survey on DU DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #90

And those who would perish under a Tea Party White House be damned... freshwest Feb 2015 #61

Bill Clinton LWolf Feb 2015 #124

Stating that it will either be ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #135

Of course, LWolf Feb 2015 #143

I have a news flash for you. NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #144

News flash, lol. LWolf Feb 2015 #145

And did you think that ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #146

I don't think I said anything about DU. LWolf Feb 2015 #164

So how's that working out for you? NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #170

It's working fine. LWolf Feb 2015 #177

Don't you know, as that poster opined, all bad things came from Bill Clinton being elected!!! stevenleser Feb 2015 #181

Find ONE post that says they want a GOP president, or self delete this! nt Logical Feb 2015 #149

Oh my Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #157

No just calling out another made up OP. nt Logical Feb 2015 #159

Pointing out reasons why a candidate is not acceptable, especially in a primary davidpdx Feb 2015 #35

Sorry, bud d_b Feb 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #51

+1 BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #117

After Sanders knocks her off in Iowa and New Hampshire (two venues that KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #52

If Sanders knocks Clinton out of the race, I'll do my damndest to get him elected... brooklynite Feb 2015 #87

First of all, please allow me to applaud your party esprit. That is a laudable KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #120

I see the "Not as bad" brigade is on another tear... Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #53

Gets old. I'm not willing 840high Feb 2015 #77

I wont either Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #96

Just stick it Caretha Feb 2015 #56

"Just stick it"? blue neen Feb 2015 #93

+1000 Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #97

I do what I can. The more resistance she gets, the more likely someone electable will oppose her. Vattel Feb 2015 #63

It's silly to say that Hillary is not electable. StevieM Feb 2015 #173

Oops, I didn't express myself well. I didn't mean to imply that Clinton is not electable. Vattel Feb 2015 #178

IF Hillary can't handle static from the left Omaha Steve Feb 2015 #67

Molly Ivins once said of Bill Clinton... cab67 Feb 2015 #68

+1, n/t Exhibit A Feb 2015 #71

WHAT!!! you don't want more justices like Scalia, Thomas, and Alito? still_one Feb 2015 #79

Why? raindaddy Feb 2015 #83

You might be in the wrong place. The place that supports the other party is that-a-way------->>>>>> Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #108

The poster said nothing about not voting for Democrats BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #115

Nasty or not..... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #150

I'm so glad you're here to tell everyone what to think BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #160

Posting the stated TOS is "telling you what to think"? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #166

Where did I say I supported the other party? raindaddy Feb 2015 #121

I'll let you take that up with the Admins. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #151

You Might Want To Read Your Own Cut & Paste raindaddy Feb 2015 #162

We've been in the "heat of election season", ostensibly, since the GOP began announcing candidates. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #167

The heat of election season???? raindaddy Feb 2015 #169

When it comes to the Supreme Court, even centrist Democrats in the White House have come through. cab67 Feb 2015 #118

But the court remains in the hands of corporations.... raindaddy Feb 2015 #125

As I see it, cab67 Feb 2015 #131

I appreciate your position and thoughtful response cab67. raindaddy Feb 2015 #140

Actually 5 presidents in the last 30 years Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #171

Reagan, how could I have forgotten? raindaddy Feb 2015 #183

Nancy-- and her astrologer Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #184

Absolutely! raindaddy Feb 2015 #69

They can't seem to help themselves. Beacool Feb 2015 #70

I don't vote for warmongers period. clg311 Feb 2015 #72

I see an OP that has difficulty in distinguishing "anti-Hillary brigade" from... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #78

No more puerile than the arguments against Clinton BainsBane Feb 2015 #95

Oh, horse shit... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #98

This is skirting as closely to a call-out as the rules could allow. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #105

Please cite and link to the rule regarding "call-outs." Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #109

Well... Marr Feb 2015 #123

Was thinking along the same lines. harun Feb 2015 #137

Well Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #182

This is a newer version of DU. Callouts are not specifically prohibited but as Skinner says... Phentex Feb 2015 #122

So, great, then Hillary will cruise to victory. No need to be concerned or nervous dissentient Feb 2015 #107

I believe it was Nader who said that a GOP president is better for the far left McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #111

Hillary....this time we WON'T be denied what's right. ileus Feb 2015 #119

The fringe left hates Hillary, and they don't mind using right-wing sources to get their hate on... SidDithers Feb 2015 #126

Sid is the media decider. Iteration 1. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #133

You're OK with using conservative sources to attack Democrats at DU?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #134

You better believe it! n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #172

If you really want change in government randr Feb 2015 #130

She'll get less turn out than Dem's did the last election session. In other words stomped. harun Feb 2015 #136

I still like Hillary. cwydro Feb 2015 #139

Meh, it's all posturing. They'll vote for Hillary. great white snark Feb 2015 #141

Hyperventilation is common among the activist portion of our party. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #142

I see the Pro-Hillary brigade is whining again. nt Logical Feb 2015 #147

General election season (which is when the field is established) can't come soon enough. MADem Feb 2015 #152

I've mostly Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #158

Pass the butter, things are only going to get worse. Initech Feb 2015 #163

Damn I didn't see anywhere in your links hootinholler Feb 2015 #165

Is she for or against the TPP costly trade partnership? grahamhgreen Feb 2015 #176

I think she'll end up winning every poll RedstDem Feb 2015 #179