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Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
29. the crisis didn't come from nowhere
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:21 PM
Feb 2015

since the West caused the crisis, yes, by any logical and reasonable standard, it is indeed the West's fault

"Buffer states" are unsustainable. joshcryer Feb 2015 #1
This is Geopolitics 101: great powers are always sensitive to potential threats near their home ND-Dem Feb 2015 #2
All predictable - Maybe wanted? Democracy Now - Ukraine a Proxy War? newthinking Feb 2015 #3
clearly a proxy war. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #4
The US didn't invade Canada when it wanted a pipeline with China. joshcryer Feb 2015 #7
nice strawman you have here karynnj Feb 2015 #25
true but incomplete. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #30
ridiculous karynnj Feb 2015 #31
I did not say that the CIA caused guillaumeb Feb 2015 #32
even more ridiculous karynnj Feb 2015 #33
to claim that what was done in the past guillaumeb Feb 2015 #34
just as it would be wrong to deny proven things like the coup in chilr karynnj Feb 2015 #35
I agree with you guillaumeb Feb 2015 #36
You cannot ignore the role played in the coup in kiev, by the Neocon factions who were there sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #59
Well, you couldn't ignore it if you could actually show what happened was a "coup." Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #66
Alexander Dugan is a Russian extremist and is not embraced by Putin's administration newthinking Feb 2015 #5
Why don't we look at what Russia has done: joshcryer Feb 2015 #6
keeping in mind what the US has done nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #8
Whataboutism. joshcryer Feb 2015 #13
good thing you only talked about post WW2 guillaumeb Feb 2015 #37
The whataboutism--the one sole defense for the indefensible. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #41
you're saying that russia has cut off the uk from europe? how did it accomplish that? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #9
UKIP's rise in the UK? joshcryer Feb 2015 #11
a british right wing political party cut the uk off from europe? i thought russia did. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #14
The bolded are things in process. joshcryer Feb 2015 #15
got some evidence that 'their top guy is a putin fan'? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #26
" Nigel Farage: I admire Vladimir Putin " muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #27
A highly qualified admiration, one which doesn't in any way suggest what josh cryer suggested. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #28
Conspiracy theory newthinking Feb 2015 #10
The stuff happened. joshcryer Feb 2015 #12
fuck Putin. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #16
Good article with a sane perspective. Geopolitics 101 Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #17
Yes, Putin is all the fault of liberals Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18
There's also the nukes MasochisticHistorian Feb 2015 #19
FFS treestar Feb 2015 #20
Well, there are some delusions in that article, all right. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #21
Kind of amazing Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #22
the crisis didn't come from nowhere Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #29
So Russia seizing Crimea was all part of Obama's evil scheme? (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #38
Actually it was shit like this that caused it: NuclearDem Feb 2015 #40
Actually, logic and reason would suggest the opposite. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #53
Noam Chomsky mentions this article in his discussion of Ukraine and Russia enough Feb 2015 #23
Yup..Knew this was going to be Mearsheimer before I even clicked in... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #24
It's not "Putin's backyard." NuclearDem Feb 2015 #39
Like cuba successfully chose to ally with russia during the cuban missle crisis. yeah, i get it. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #43
And then later broke their alliance when they found out the USSR sold them out. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #44
what are you talking about? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #45
Yes, the USSR sold them out. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #46
while getting a guarantee they wouldn't be invaded. kinda proves my point, doesn't it? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #47
Imagine that, a country respecting an agreement NuclearDem Feb 2015 #48
minor powers don't "choose". ND-Dem Feb 2015 #51
Simply saying the same thing over and over again illustrates your position as irrational. LanternWaste Feb 2015 #61
Then why do you keep doing it? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #63
I'm guessing you're intoxicated...? LanternWaste Feb 2015 #69
"Minor powers" broke up the USSR. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #70
uh, sure. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #74
Yeah, because Solidarity and the Baltic protests had absolutely nothing to do NuclearDem Feb 2015 #75
with a little help from their friends. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #77
. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #42
Right. And North Korea is just like Baltimore... SidDithers Feb 2015 #49
The IMF/World Bank crowd needed another victim. And they got it, with a coup. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #50
. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #52
Damn that FDR! If he had not created the IMF/World Bank/UN/ITO, the world would be free of pampango Feb 2015 #54
NO, DAMN those who decided to USE FDR's policies for their own interests. He would sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #58
Not too may leaders are ousted by "coups" when they control the military and security forces and pampango Feb 2015 #60
Excuse me? Your comment in no way relates to this discussion. The US WAS in Kiev sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #62
The US is pretty much everywhere - Ukraine, Poland, Latvia - you name it. pampango Feb 2015 #64
McCain was not there alone. Do you know eg, who paid for these neocons to travel to sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #68
........... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #71
What word would that be? I'm an adult, don't waste time on pre-pubescent methods of sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #73
It's been nearly a year now. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #76
"The US has been responsible for coups in the past... NuclearDem Feb 2015 #72
+1 nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #55
Outstanding -- Thanks for posting Pilger Speech. 2banon Feb 2015 #57
The IMF/World Bank crowd needed another victim. And they got it, with a coup. Mimosa Feb 2015 #67
K&R Geo-Politics 101 Indeed. 2banon Feb 2015 #56
OK, I can go with Putin being concerned about perceived threats at his borders. Brigid Feb 2015 #65
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