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socialist_n_TN

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121. I don't know. Maybe I did......

Sun Feb 15, 2015, 07:46 PM

Feb 2015

I was around and in the south and got called a "nigger lover" more than once because I disagreed with segregation and, even as a kid, wasn't quiet about my disagreement with the Jim Crow system. I know that the civil rights movement was about integrating black people into the wider, in this case capitalist, society as a panacea for all of the oppression that black people faced during those times. BTW, it didn't turn out to be much of a panacea to judge by the headlines and stats about black oppression TODAY! And of course, now in my old age with what I've learned about capitalism, I know that integration into a capitalist society will not get rid of oppression because oppression is an integral part of capitalism. To get rid of oppression you have to get rid of capitalism.

As to my statement that you quoted, and? If I have a guaranteed income, guaranteed housing, guaranteed basic human necessities, why should I give a rat's ass what some redneck cracker thinks about me? If he/she gets in my face I'll take the Malcolm X/original Black Panther remedy. If he leaves me alone and can't affect my status and my livelihood, fuck him. It's just a personal failing on his part that won't affect me. The real problem comes when that personal bias is combined with state and economic power to make the SYSTEM oppress.

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Social Justice is the ONLY Path to Economic Prosperity for Workers in This Country [View all] McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 OP

Whether we like it or not a great many jobs are going away and not being replaced Fumesucker Feb 2015 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Broward Feb 2015 #9

I challenge the neoliberals dispensing these talking points woo me with science Feb 2015 #14

Ok, I'll bite. What is a "neoliberal"? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #27

Nearly 15,000 posts you have, and you don't know what a neoliberal is. woo me with science Feb 2015 #43

Neo-liberal defined Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #50

I still don't get what a neoliberal is supposed to be. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #55

I guess it depends on what you stand for. Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #61

So LBJ was a neoliberal because he took money from Brown & Root McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #69

LBJ gave them the war in Vietnam? Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #74

"LBJ had little choice but to commit to the Voting Rights Act" Sigh. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #79

Seeing what we are dealing with today, Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #83

The CIA dumped the coke in the 1980s. In the 1960s, they dumped heroin. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #86

Ok, I googled it. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #58

The term is more evolved than that. Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #66

You mean like FDR interring the Japanese during WWII? That kind of illegal stuff? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #73

McCamy, you keep mentioning presidents, as if they Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #78

If we had heeded the lesson of history, we would not have had the crash of 2008. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #84

I don't see where the disconnect is with us. Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #90

"Neo-liberal" = Not joining the revolution ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #95

Corporate neocolonialism is sold with the same sweet smell of the old colonialism HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #60

A tactic of Third Way propaganda woo me with science Feb 2015 #64

While I know the traditional meaning of neoliberal I'm not really bound to it HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #75

+1 Purposeful obfuscation is the MO of the corporate coup targeting our democracy. woo me with science Feb 2015 #92

Hijack? As in what you are doing by introducing "Hillary is Neoliberal" in a thread about social McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #76

What do "neoliberalism" and "neocolonialism" have to do with each other besides the "neo" part? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #67

Neocons and neoliberals have so much in common, woo me with science Feb 2015 #71

Mostly I think it references the different players and the different contexts HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #77

Nonsense. 99Forever Feb 2015 #2

Apparently phenomenally so. woo me with science Feb 2015 #41

Yep. 99Forever Feb 2015 #44

I hope, so much, dotymed Feb 2015 #48

I couldn't agree more. 99Forever Feb 2015 #68

Gullible? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #101

Very. That is why we do not have socialism in this country. Yet. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #3

Sen Sanders aspirant Feb 2015 #4

Yes, if he runs. Is he running? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #19

We will know in March aspirant Feb 2015 #23

I'll get back with you when I see the polls. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #29

You rely on polls? aspirant Feb 2015 #42

If you know how to read them, polls are very reliable. More than the tabulated vote sometimes. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #56

Read them, are they like books? aspirant Feb 2015 #72

This is why we cannot get the changes we really need. You need to support the candidate that Dustlawyer Feb 2015 #45

Agreed, no more "lesser of two evils." dotymed Feb 2015 #53

We'd need a parliamentary government to beak free of the two party system. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #59

IDK dotymed Feb 2015 #65

Eugene Debs never came close to pulling a 3rd Party upset ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #102

Utter ... sendero Feb 2015 #5

I have good news for you! Economic progressives are GREAT on social justice issues!! stillwaiting Feb 2015 #6

Thanks .. sendero Feb 2015 #8

Except when they are putting economics ahead of social justice issues. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #104

Economic justice and social justice MUST be fought for simultaneously. stillwaiting Feb 2015 #105

Agreed; but, go back and read what ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #116

Let me ask you, That unwed mother is poor, those Koch Brothers are a nasty peice of work but when is Autumn Feb 2015 #7

Julian Castro. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #34

Julian Castro does give a nice speech. Autumn Feb 2015 #35

Hillary Clinton McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Feb 2015 #40

The last 30-plus years in this country suggest otherwise. Broward Feb 2015 #10

No, the dismantling of democracy and the increase of authoritarianism and inequality woo me with science Feb 2015 #11

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #12

There's a bunch of "progressives" who sound just like right wingers boston bean Feb 2015 #13

Social Justice Warriors? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #25

Ayup, been called that in a dismissive/rude way, many times. boston bean Feb 2015 #28

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #107

I agree with you 100% and only have to look at the "quality" of the posters doing their damndest Number23 Feb 2015 #124

Not seeing the forest for the trees - TBF Feb 2015 #15

Herman Cain and others come to mind Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #37

I'm brazen enough to expect both at once. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #39

As a socialist who is female I often TBF Feb 2015 #46

"What we can't do is focus solely on civil rights and hope the money will follow"........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #70

Agree. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #88

That post you just agreed with seems to be in direct conflict with the point of your own OP. Number23 Feb 2015 #125

I agree with this as well. This discussion reminds me... OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #96

I don't think that a change in economic power would wipe out bias overnight........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #106

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #110

I don't know. Maybe I did...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #121

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #123

I don't dispute your points about capitalism at all... OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #120

Well see that the thing, it's ALL interconnected...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #122

Indeed. I'm totally in agreement with that. :) n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #129

They got theirs ......... but fuck everyone else Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #49

So Hillary is the answer to Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #16

No. Social Justice is the Answer. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #26

Are people disagreeing with the premise of McCamy's post, or the mention of Hillary? OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #17

The premise of the OP. Look at the last 30 years of American life. winter is coming Feb 2015 #21

Wow, fascinating... OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #24

There are many, even "progressives" who feel income equality boston bean Feb 2015 #30

Yeah, I'm having a hard time understanding that, too. Thanks, boston bean. :) n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #32

I don't think the two should be separated, and at one time, for Dems, they weren't. winter is coming Feb 2015 #33

Right, Bill Clinton signed DOMA in the 90s, and now marriage equality is the rule, not the exception eridani Feb 2015 #128

You're right... OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #130

No, social justice is not way up. We were doing OK in the 1970s, but then Reagan McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #52

There have definitely been reverses, particularly in reproductive rights, winter is coming Feb 2015 #57

See my post #15 and the followup - I disagree with her entire premise. nt TBF Feb 2015 #80

MLK Jr's "Poor People's Campaign" McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #18

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #111

I disagree because there is more than one way to economic prosperity Harmony Blue Feb 2015 #20

Self empowerment. Does that mean "bootstraps"? Too bad some kids don't have boots. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #31

I don't understand where the idea that social justice hasn't changed anything. boston bean Feb 2015 #36

I don't think the term "social justice" has been used in the same way throughout winter is coming Feb 2015 #47

It's common sense that neither stands on their own. boston bean Feb 2015 #54

Social justice HAS helped economic justice. For instance McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #63

Self empowerment has been the cornerstone of the left Harmony Blue Feb 2015 #85

Bootstraps are the Repubs core economic policy. aspirant Feb 2015 #89

The idea of self improvement and self determination Harmony Blue Feb 2015 #100

Dedicated meditation aspirant Feb 2015 #113

hard work DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #126

Hard work is not longer sufficient. winter is coming Feb 2015 #127

ALL of HISTORY proves this argument to be beyond dumb and dishonest. woo me with science Feb 2015 #22

The tone of the responses is almost deafening. To me, it makes the case...nitpicking, criticizing libdem4life Feb 2015 #51

Great post. And on topic, too! McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #91

ROFL! Actually, that post is predictable ad hominem woo me with science Feb 2015 #108

Thank you for sharing. n/t libdem4life Feb 2015 #118

Great Post! I only wish to add... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #114

Thanks...and agree. libdem4life Feb 2015 #119

People can arrive at the same conclusions through different approaches. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #62

Without a doubt this is as true as true can be gotten madokie Feb 2015 #81

Oh, is this the meme wherein we need to be nice to the poor bankers, and just be djean111 Feb 2015 #82

Hell no! I posted in 2008 that we needed our own Ferdinand Pecora and I still say we do. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #94

We are like mere dogs trying to understand the internet. woo me with science Feb 2015 #109

Thank you for speaking up libodem Feb 2015 #87

Awesome OP but are you sure right wingers 'hate and fear Hillary Clinton'? The KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #93

Uh... yeah. I'm sure. Back in 2008 it took me three mega long OPs to chronicle all the ways McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #98

Hmm, that's interesting. Perhaps I shall have to examine Ms. Clinton anew with a KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #103

^ This. She is establishment TBF Feb 2015 #99

Word salad as OP. n/t brentspeak Feb 2015 #97

^^^ Nailed it. ^^^ woo me with science Feb 2015 #112

social and economic justice are fought side by side Ramses Feb 2015 #115

These topics often drop like a stone on DU daredtowork Feb 2015 #117