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46. when it has basically never happened before, but happens to the first all black team

Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:48 PM

Feb 2015

(other title revocations were on much more solid ground) then, yeah, things that make you go hmmm. or should make you go hmmmm.

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dont think the jackie robinson flap has anything to do w racism? [View all] mopinko Feb 2015 OP

From what's been reported locally, the guy who reported them is married to an African American lady, MohRokTah Feb 2015 #1

So, some of his best friends are.... NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #2

It's tough to call racism when his four kids are black. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #4

how many black kids are on his team? mopinko Feb 2015 #13

my uncle told me this story about when he was in the Army CatWoman Feb 2015 #24

yeah. wanting a black women in your bed mopinko Feb 2015 #31

This is confirmed on my FB page frequently loyalsister Feb 2015 #94

i really hope he is not abusing his wife and kids hopemountain Feb 2015 #177

that's what i think also. mopinko Feb 2015 #16

Sorry, but fuck that notion SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #32

what if they believed the coaches that it was all cool? mopinko Feb 2015 #75

It doesn't matter what the reason was for the cheating SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #78

when I played, there was no choice hfojvt Feb 2015 #197

The thing about this is that they needed to scrutinize all the teams . . . brush Feb 2015 #8

unless they check out the other teams, i will continue to believe it is bias. mopinko Feb 2015 #12

Have allegations of cheating been made against the other teams? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #33

actually, yes. mopinko Feb 2015 #127

When was the formal complaint filed against them? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #128

and where are your links hopemountain Feb 2015 #193

Not my judgements, Little League's SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #199

laugh all you want. it is not hilarious. nt hopemountain Feb 2015 #200

It's not hilarious for the kids SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #201

so, what if a team hopemountain Feb 2015 #203

Make all of the players on this team white SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #206

If I hand a hmmmmer, I'd hmmmmer in the morning, tblue37 Feb 2015 #154

link to some confirmation? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #158

Do you have a link to where the complaining team SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #222

Here's some info for you: ND-Dem Feb 2015 #221

A lopsided score like that is unsportsmanlike alarimer Feb 2015 #161

oh bullshit. mopinko Feb 2015 #162

Isn't it up to the umpires to invoke the mercy rule . . . brush Feb 2015 #163

iirc, it went 2 innings. mopinko Feb 2015 #171

I agree. The other team manager was the sore loser . . . brush Feb 2015 #180

if all of the teams were equally "scrutinized" then hopemountain Feb 2015 #178

Bingo! I think you're on to something. nt brush Feb 2015 #179

Because according to the falsified boundary map submitted to LL International SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #191

links please. hopemountain Feb 2015 #194

I don't live there so I don't have pics of the signs SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #198

okay. hopemountain Feb 2015 #202

Where did I blame the kids? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #205

you "hope"? hopemountain Feb 2015 #230

Yeah, the rules are rules...like "holding" in the NFL...you call it when you want to. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #241

doubt it.. londie Feb 2015 #3

Nope, the coaches cheated Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #5

"i would use aunt millie's address in a heart beat" Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #6

the focus has been on the coaches, insisting they sought out those kids. mopinko Feb 2015 #11

Grasping at straws doesn't change anything. CANDO Feb 2015 #34

because i live here. mopinko Feb 2015 #77

little league has lines on maps everywhere; and the players recruited from other league areas ND-Dem Feb 2015 #98

No to both questions n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #36

changes nothing regardless of how the conspirators were introduced elehhhhna Feb 2015 #58

do you have any evidence that the (suburban) parents or kids sought to play for this (inner-city) ND-Dem Feb 2015 #88

the kids from the burbs were from a couple of the poorest mopinko Feb 2015 #214

what are these "poorest towns in chicago"? cause all that i'd discovered so far are wealthier ND-Dem Feb 2015 #224

"bfd about your rules" NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #7

Another team broke rules and lost their state championship CANDO Feb 2015 #9

iirc, the 2 other teams that were stripped found kids lying about their age. mopinko Feb 2015 #10

You're partially correct... CANDO Feb 2015 #14

nobody drives their kid 20 miles for no reason. mopinko Feb 2015 #15

Why can't people read up on the articles out there? CANDO Feb 2015 #17

Link directly to LLB press release CANDO Feb 2015 #18

nothing in that article refutes my supposition mopinko Feb 2015 #26

Well, good luck with your persecution complex. CANDO Feb 2015 #38

Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #40

i dont believe in blindly following the rules where children are involved. mopinko Feb 2015 #81

Based on posts you've made about your legal issues SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #83

oh, you did some digging did you? mopinko Feb 2015 #126

Digging? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #130

well i still didnt break any laws. mopinko Feb 2015 #134

I think you probably overestimate those that follow you SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #135

if they don't like rules, then they can just get everyone together to play for fun CreekDog Feb 2015 #196

"the OP doesn't believe in following rules generally"? KamaAina Feb 2015 #204

Well bless your heart SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #207

i'm not persecuted. i'm white. mopinko Feb 2015 #73

Then lets throw out all rules. yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #112

I think you may be responding to the wrong person... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #116

You may be right. I don't know how that happened. yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #117

Thank you! NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #144

cause we all know all you have to do to get rid of racism mopinko Feb 2015 #133

Come on now, rules are only for some people. hughee99 Feb 2015 #192

yes. because mopinko Feb 2015 #210

There's two potential racial issues going on here... hughee99 Feb 2015 #217

So you're cool with cheating. That's as far as you have to go. "fuck the maps." X_Digger Feb 2015 #19

yes, i support ignoring lines on a map mopinko Feb 2015 #28

Where are you coming up with that? CANDO Feb 2015 #39

can you stop with the apologia? mopinko Feb 2015 #129

Can you stop with the baseless accusations? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #132

Nice example you're setting for the kids. X_Digger Feb 2015 #140

thanks, i think so. mopinko Feb 2015 #172

No. cwydro Feb 2015 #20

I just see an appalling lack of responsibility and a constitutional inability BubbaFett Feb 2015 #21

and sometimes it is. mopinko Feb 2015 #29

So you're OK with cheating SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #37

cheating v giving my kids what they need? mopinko Feb 2015 #82

What about the teams that lost SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #84

they lost on the field. mopinko Feb 2015 #100

there's no evidence for your theory. There's evidence that the abilities of the kids had everything ND-Dem Feb 2015 #103

They lost to a team that had ineligible players SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #105

maybe because he knew what the kids would have to put up with on that "other" team. mopinko Feb 2015 #110

Comment in an online article SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #115

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #41

Those pesky rules GummyBearz Feb 2015 #22

not race. racism. mopinko Feb 2015 #27

But you are playing make believe now. CANDO Feb 2015 #44

i'm the racist now. mopinko Feb 2015 #92

Who is being an apologist? GummyBearz Feb 2015 #102

No I don't think it has anything to do with racism. romanic Feb 2015 #23

THey cheated, got caught, and lost thair title Takket Feb 2015 #25

what if racists were a factor? mopinko Feb 2015 #30

and what if it's not? ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #43

You know? CANDO Feb 2015 #45

Exactly... Takket Feb 2015 #48

no, when i hear from the parents and coaches why they did it, mopinko Feb 2015 #71

An investigation has already determined 'why they did it'. To field a 'superteam' that would win ND-Dem Feb 2015 #107

rly? funny i hadnt heard that. mopinko Feb 2015 #131

the league is who conducts the investigation. the coaches and parents speak to the investigators. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #159

What about pete? he's white but they won't let him in the HOF. ileus Feb 2015 #35

I see no particular reason to conclude that the report and the investigation into petronius Feb 2015 #42

when it has basically never happened before, but happens to the first all black team mopinko Feb 2015 #46

This revocation is also on very solid ground SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #49

because i dont have them yet. mopinko Feb 2015 #53

It doesn't matter why they wanted them to play on this team SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #56

sure that could work mopinko Feb 2015 #85

What evidence do you have that these kids were facing racism in their own boundaries? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #86

i live here. mopinko Feb 2015 #93

So in other words SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #97

and you are an apologist. mopinko Feb 2015 #101

I'll proudly wear the label of SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #106

she has no evidence. she made it up. because *she,* the white lady, "lives there". ND-Dem Feb 2015 #108

I heard two other all-black teams got hit, as well. But it didn't happen to all-white teams with ancianita Feb 2015 #52

Yep. Sure would. AND would take full adult responsibility to ensure residency rules apply to EVERY- ancianita Feb 2015 #47

thank you. mopinko Feb 2015 #50

Oh. Race did. We're swimming in the ocean of race prejudice in this country. I was just ancianita Feb 2015 #54

Cheating negates the "well-deserved" description SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #51

indeed... nt ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #55

Nope. Kids don't get to suffer for the sins of the adults. Had it been a white team, the adults ancianita Feb 2015 #57

You actually have no idea what would have happened had it been a white team SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #60

I've worked with white and black parents & watched the double standards, 'playing stupid' stuff. ancianita Feb 2015 #62

I think I've been very clear in what I think SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #63

League positions should be stripped from the adults. The title itself was won by the kids and should ancianita Feb 2015 #65

You sure are SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #67

Adult cheating is never fine. Your position is that these kids cheated. Own it. ancianita Feb 2015 #69

I've never said the kids cheated SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #72

See post #59 and post #65. ancianita Feb 2015 #79

yup. mopinko Feb 2015 #89

Let 'em lawyer up SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #120

It's not the first time a LL title's been taken away for rules violations. So there goes that ND-Dem Feb 2015 #114

over age is waaaaay different from "wrong side of a line" mopinko Feb 2015 #124

You have provided no proof that the boundaries are drawn based on race SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #125

Reading is fundamental: "after Zamboanga used several players that lived outside its district" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #141

AND who were lying about their age. mopinko Feb 2015 #148

Reading is fundamental: "OR were over-age" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #149

It's only happened two other times in over 60 years n/t kcr Feb 2015 #153

if so, so? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #156

Jackie Robinson West isn't the first team to lose its Little League title. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #111

To anyone here who thinks the kids didn't play in good faith, I have this to say: ancianita Feb 2015 #59

Too funny SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #61

Yep. Funny it's already come out in local news that whites have done just that over the years. lol ancianita Feb 2015 #64

The team cheated SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #66

Your mind has cheated. ancianita Feb 2015 #68

Your attitude would be laughable SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #70

I'll err on the side of kids' team sports experiences over residence exclusions any day. ancianita Feb 2015 #74

The why have any rules at all? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #76

This is how your mind cheats. You could care less about the residence exclusion rules noted ancianita Feb 2015 #87

I wonder if the President will invite the rightful championship team to the White House? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #91

there were rules about black eating at lunch counters. should those be obeyed? mopinko Feb 2015 #99

except that all that has nothing to do with the present case, where *black* players from *black* ND-Dem Feb 2015 #118

over age kids is a whole different issue. mopinko Feb 2015 #137

strange how you manage to ignore most of the content of the post & focus on one tiny snip. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #139

Wait, what? I thought you said screw the rules where kids are concerned?!? X_Digger Feb 2015 #143

Just a bit SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #145

i said screw lines on a map. mopinko Feb 2015 #146

Why would you oppose letting older players play SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #147

age is just a line on a map. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #152

yeah, but that is not a line that was drawn mopinko Feb 2015 #170

Then why are the kids they recruited from the suburbs BLACK? Chicago has black suburbs. A resident ND-Dem Feb 2015 #181

did i say that? mopinko Feb 2015 #208

so there are no kids who want to play baseball on chicago's south side, and the black kid ND-Dem Feb 2015 #209

i dont know how many of them there are. mopinko Feb 2015 #211

well, the team only has 14 kids, i believe. so unless fewer than 14 kids on chicago's south side ND-Dem Feb 2015 #213

that is such complete bullshit i dont know where to start. mopinko Feb 2015 #215

so; they can pick and choose who they take, even to the extent of drawing talent from ND-Dem Feb 2015 #219

i dont think you know the first thing about segregation. mopinko Feb 2015 #220

non-seq, especially because i just tracked down some of the places the non-southside players ND-Dem Feb 2015 #223

"Zamboanga USED SEVERAL PLAYERS THAT LIVED OUTSIDE ITS DISTRICT OR were over-age" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #151

yeah. some kids were out of the district, and some were over age. mopinko Feb 2015 #173

Wait, so now you're cool with over-age kids? Thought that was a rule you wouldn't break.. X_Digger Feb 2015 #175

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #238

And what do those cheating adults in Chicago kiva Feb 2015 #80

You mean the kids who earned two runs in the game they lost? Please, tell me what they should get. ancianita Feb 2015 #90

If you're talking about the Las Vegas team SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #95

you mean the team that didn't have "ringers"? you mean the team that wasn't found to have attempted ND-Dem Feb 2015 #119

until they give that team the same scrutiny, mopinko Feb 2015 #138

the whole point of my thread is about this business of "ringers" mopinko Feb 2015 #104

That's what the investigation found. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #121

they have no way to know that. mopinko Feb 2015 #136

and you know that because.....? evidence? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #150

i have my opinion because i live here. and my kids played sports here. mopinko Feb 2015 #167

ok. it's your opinion, based on no evidence except the racism of chicago. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #168

that's right. mopinko Feb 2015 #169

So really there is no proof you will accept that these coaches kiva Feb 2015 #123

why were they cleared the first time? mopinko Feb 2015 #185

You seem to miss the point of youth sports altogether. WillowTree Feb 2015 #96

you miss the point of my whole argument. mopinko Feb 2015 #109

Do you even know who draws the boundary lines? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #142

they are based on municipal boundaries. mopinko Feb 2015 #189

No, they aren't SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #190

Well said n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #113

Apparently for some, this isn't about the kids and building their character. Throd Feb 2015 #174

except that they showed exceptional character. mopinko Feb 2015 #184

Where did I say the players had no character? Throd Feb 2015 #186

Are you ok with this for school reasons? treestar Feb 2015 #122

Does anyone know if kids from the neighborhood did not make the team dilby Feb 2015 #155

my guess is that someone wanted to field an exceptional team, a winning low income black ND-Dem Feb 2015 #157

like the baake decision, you mean? mopinko Feb 2015 #166

Or more than likely the kids were chosen based on the ability to win. dilby Feb 2015 #176

and more poor kids and kids with special needs in the home district v. the suburbs too. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #182

really? mopinko Feb 2015 #183

The kids that they brought in were clearly allstars, that is a win at all costs attitude. dilby Feb 2015 #187

so, because the kid was good means nothing else matters? mopinko Feb 2015 #212

No, it wouldn't make any difference SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #188

no such thing has been proven. mopinko Feb 2015 #216

You just don't seem to get it SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #218

Have you ever known any "sports parents?" YarnAddict Feb 2015 #160

like i said, my kids played baseball. mopinko Feb 2015 #164

Do you know YarnAddict Feb 2015 #165

the "team, aka young players" hopemountain Feb 2015 #195

Seeing as they had ineligible players on the team SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #225

no, i will not answer your loaded & biased question hopemountain Feb 2015 #229

Neither of those terms is disputed SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #231

explain to you what i have already explained? hopemountain Feb 2015 #232

In other words SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #233

oh, so your narrow thinking hopemountain Feb 2015 #234

MY narrow thinking? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #235

no. again, your opinion of what i "THINK cheating is" hopemountain Feb 2015 #236

It isn't a matter of opinion SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #237

the players did not cheat. hopemountain Feb 2015 #239

Some of the players were ineligible SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #240

When rules are selectively enforced in disproportiate harm to black people bluestateguy Feb 2015 #226

Unless someone files a complaint SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #227

thank you. mopinko Feb 2015 #228