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[SheilaT]

45. I'm sorry about your mother.

But you're still leaving unanswered the question: Wasn't Hillary inevitable it 2008?

What truly scares me is that so many of the Hillary supporters are saying "Now is the time! THIS is the Hillary inevitability!"

I was around eight years ago. I remember all too clearly the Inevitability of Hillary back then. Here's the essential problem. It's not whether or not Hillary is inevitable, but whether she truly is the right candidate now. I don't think she is I didn't think she was eight years ago. She's a perfectly nice lady. I've met her, however briefly. But I can tell you that her support of the oligarchs makes her extremely unsuited to be the Democratic candidate for the Presidency in 2016.

I keep on running into relatively low information voters (even though they would not think of themselves as such) who are wildly happy with the prospect of Hillary in 2016. I honestly don't know how to reach those people. I don't want to tell them, or even imply, that they haven't a real clue about what's going on. But that's how I feel. The unthinking Hillary supporters aren't thinking it through. All they know is "This time it's Hillary's time" and "We are more than ready for a woman as President, and of course that woman is Hillary Clinton!"

With all due respect, it's a lot more subtle than that, as it was in 2008. Back then it was not just a choice between a black man and a white women, even though there were those who tried to present it as such. It was, even then a choice between the future (Barack Obama) and the past (Hillary Clinton). That's the choice that is not acknowledged, even all these years later. Hillary Clinton represents the corporatist past, not the future, and the insinuation that Hillary is Inevitable, that she will of course be our nominee and she will of course defeat whomever the Republicans nominate is a holdover from eight years ago, not the present reality. I contend that her negatives among the population at large are so great that she can't possibly win the general election are not part of this particular discussion.

Are the Hillary supporters living under a large rock? Do they not understand that every flaw she has ever had in the past will be brought up again? Do they think that Benghazi will go away? Do her supporters live in some sort of alternate universe in which these things don't exist? I've heard the argument that all possible stones have already been thrown in her way, and so she can blithely sail above anything. I'm sorry, but that's naive. Every single thing leveled against her eight or nine years ago will be leveled against her again. And then some.

Hillary Clinton is a perfectly nice lady. But her time really is past. We, the Democratic Party, need to move beyond her. And beyond Joe Biden. We need to be looking at the new generation of potential candidates: Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Julian Castro, Martin O'Malley, and probably others I'm unaware of. We really do need fresh blood, fresh ideas, and I'm beyond bothered that all most people can think about is Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.