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Pooka Fey

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113. I used to say that too, with deep conviction. Then I learned to speak French and hear their side

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 10:16 AM

Feb 2015

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and I forced myself to watch an excellent documentary on French TV last summer made for the 70th D-Day celebration. If you like, I can look for the name of the documentary, and see if it has been subtitled into English. After seeing it, I was shocked, and I could no longer refuse to see what the historical evidence shows. The film was made by serious historians, who are grateful to the Allies for the Liberation of France. As I said, some people feel enough time has passed, after 70 years, to be able to ask certain questions.

I need to add here that the French are deeply grateful to the Allies for their liberation, and they are committed to decorating the tombs of those Allied soldiers who fell defending France unto perpetuity, as if those soldiers were their own sons. The French know that the American and Allied soldiers didn't control the actions of their governments.

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Dresden was a civilian town with no military significance. Why did we burn its people? [View all] Karmadillo Feb 2015 OP

I studied this a little some years ago MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #1

K�ln was similarly flattened NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #3

Ever heard of Carthage? rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #11

Also rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #12

Dresden had over 100 factories jmowreader Feb 2015 #13

Shhhhh---don't mention inconvenient facts. MADem Feb 2015 #52

...^ that 840high Feb 2015 #68

Hitler was not democratically chosen tobe leader CreekDog Feb 2015 #126

No, he just showed up out of the blue, and everyone HATED him...not. MADem Feb 2015 #128

You either own your wrong comment or you disown it CreekDog Feb 2015 #138

Hey, you have a great day, now!!!! MADem Feb 2015 #139

I didn't put words in your mouth and you repaid that by putting words in mine CreekDog Feb 2015 #140

Hey, you have a great day, now!!! nt MADem Feb 2015 #141

A reason we flourished then was that WWII or "the peace" eliminated a lot of our competiton. merrily Feb 2015 #63

Why weren't they bombed then? former9thward Feb 2015 #90

The rail yards were more important to bomb, and they were the center of our attacks jmowreader Feb 2015 #92

The factories were in the suburbs - the bombers took out the city center. hedgehog Feb 2015 #135

That's my understanding too Sanity Claws Feb 2015 #15

Zeiss had most of it's manufacturing there Major Nikon Feb 2015 #16

Yet they were not targeted. former9thward Feb 2015 #91

Jena, where one of the Zeiss factories was built was bombed several times Major Nikon Feb 2015 #98

Funny how people try to justify what is now considered war crirmes. former9thward Feb 2015 #103

Even funnier how rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #104

Funny how people can't follow online conversations Major Nikon Feb 2015 #105

The typo police always on guard! former9thward Feb 2015 #115

Bobbing And Weaving! ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #122

Ever heard of the 20-million Chinese killed during the Japanese occupation, or the 15 million leveymg Feb 2015 #59

Napalm was used a fair amount in WWII. During the American Civil war we came up with the idea of braddy Feb 2015 #4

Sherman's march to the sea MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #5

Oh, it didn't originate with us. aquart Feb 2015 #120

You might want to read C.P. Snow who explained how strategic bombing probably prolonged the war leveymg Feb 2015 #40

I love C.P. Snow MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #78

Extremely interesting. Thank you for posting this. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #89

In part, it was to serve as a warning to Stalin of the capabilities of Western air power. . . Journeyman Feb 2015 #2

same reason nuclear devices were dropped guillaumeb Feb 2015 #29

Not to mention, America's willingness to use them. leveymg Feb 2015 #54

whatever weapons are needed by the Empire guillaumeb Feb 2015 #60

Extinction is Us leveymg Feb 2015 #67

Another reason, and it kind of sucks... Wounded Bear Feb 2015 #6

interestingly the same process happened in the Korean War: they started to run out MisterP Feb 2015 #81

At that point in the war... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #7

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #8

Slaughterhouse Five Lint Head Feb 2015 #9

I read it in high school burrowowl Feb 2015 #99

My dad had a book titled The Complete History of a WW ll. He must have acquired it in the late 40's or the early 50's mobeau69 Feb 2024 #143

Don't look for logic in war. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #10

Seriously? treestar Feb 2015 #14

Apparently, we've cycled through the other TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #21

seriously. Vietnam, Iraq, etc are there treestar Feb 2015 #25

Not everything posted is an attack against the US, at least to the non-paranoid DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #26

you have to have USDS treestar Feb 2015 #28

The article indicates it was mostly British bombers involved CJCRANE Feb 2015 #32

Wow, even more absurd a discussion then treestar Feb 2015 #34

It was controversial at the time and there was disagreement about its effectiveness: CJCRANE Feb 2015 #39

Discussing that or anything at that time made some sense treestar Feb 2015 #42

Bombers involved gladium et scutum Feb 2015 #36

Thanks. See my post #39 about the origin of the policy and discussion of its effectiveness. nt CJCRANE Feb 2015 #41

I'd bet good money that I know a great deal more about that war than you do. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #37

That has to win the internet for absurdity today treestar Feb 2015 #43

You're trying misdirection. You lost. Enjoy your Sunday. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #44

If a declaration of "you lost" is all we need treestar Feb 2015 #48

If you need it spelled out... DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #53

You you you treestar Feb 2015 #62

The one we're not supposed to be discussing, because treestar said so? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #65

It's Obama's fault!!! MADem Feb 2015 #58

thanks Obama! treestar Feb 2015 #66

You could, of course, notice that it's a British article muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #109

Might want to deep digger into our actions prior to WWII Lurks Often Feb 2015 #117

This is how we get away with murder whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #35

Like the Germans did, you mean? treestar Feb 2015 #46

Having difficultly parsing your post whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #55

No, I have a very cohesive thought treestar Feb 2015 #61

Glad to know whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #71

These deaths were right and good. So you have to stop talking about them now. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #75

Did you miss the part about civilian casualties being an hedgehog Feb 2015 #136

You're supposed to be angry.. Matrosov Feb 2015 #50

There must be a point where even terrorism is called for treestar Feb 2015 #56

"There must be a point where even terrorism is called for" So say terrorists everywhere. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #69

Yeah...like these terrorists! MADem Feb 2015 #74

thanks for making my point for me. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #77

Well, if I had any point to make, I suppose it would be that Dresden did have military MADem Feb 2015 #82

"There must be a point where even terrorism is called for" Rex Feb 2015 #97

First they came for the Communists JonLP24 Feb 2015 #123

First you eliminate the intellectuals and free thinkers Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #124

Yes, angry--isn't this AWFUL???? MADem Feb 2015 #70

I don't think anyone on this thread has said the bombing of London was an hedgehog Feb 2015 #137

When people suggest that the bombing of Dresden was unprovoked, had no military MADem Feb 2015 #142

Well you are lol...the rest of DU are supposed to talk about it and maybe have a discussion. Rex Feb 2015 #96

Um, war. Telcontar Feb 2015 #17

Went to Dresden back in 2004 GreatGazoo Feb 2015 #18

Not Quite... catnhatnh Feb 2015 #22

To stop the war Recursion Feb 2015 #19

So philosophical whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #31

There is a point where people are responsible for what their country does treestar Feb 2015 #38

Well whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #45

So you're not OK with that treestar Feb 2015 #47

And if it was your town whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #49

So you're criticizing Churchill for the decision? treestar Feb 2015 #51

Confused, what have you supported for the last ten to fifteen years? whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #57

You know what I'm talking about treestar Feb 2015 #64

You supported Bush's illegal wars? whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #72

I have to ask, are you being deliberately obtuse or genuinely mistaken Telcontar Feb 2015 #106

Huh? Recursion Feb 2015 #84

War is hell ... reasons for this rosesaylavee Feb 2015 #20

One of the premises of strategic bombing was break the will of the citizenry, Lurks Often Feb 2015 #23

I learned about that via fiction treestar Feb 2015 #27

Oh, are we asking why persons of non-military significance were burned? Please, carry on. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #24

No, it wasn't tabasco Feb 2015 #30

Dresden was bombed because most people are willing to commit mass murder. Vattel Feb 2015 #33

As the granddaughter of a Nazi soldier, KitSileya Feb 2015 #73

26 German and 1 Polish assination attempts on Hitler over 10 years - this was a Resistance Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #86

WWII "Collateral damage" had a much broader interpretation Zambero Feb 2015 #76

Also "cannon fodder" was considered part and parcel of war. MADem Feb 2015 #79

I doubt much of that JonLP24 Feb 2015 #125

I am getting the sense you aren't taking the point I'm making. MADem Feb 2015 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Feb 2015 #129

Sorry, everyone--for some strange reason, my post repeated itself with the same post number MADem Feb 2015 #129

With 70 years passing, there are questions that can be asked Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #83

Bridges, rail hubs, and road junctions Telcontar Feb 2015 #107

I used to say that too, with deep conviction. Then I learned to speak French and hear their side Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #113

Those that should answer that are long gone PumpkinAle Feb 2015 #80

Because it was war, and that didn't stop Germany from attacking civilian still_one Feb 2015 #85

Google "Coventry." cwydro Feb 2015 #87

Seriously? Why did we bomb German cities? cheapdate Feb 2015 #88

US and Britain wanted to slow the Soviet advance on Berlin. Special Prosciuto Feb 2015 #93

No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #94

Albert Camus is an idiot who wasnt responsible for the survival Telcontar Feb 2015 #108

Camus in French Resistance Intel unit "Combat" from 1941, & published a clandestine journal Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #114

No evidence he participated in any active resistance Telcontar Feb 2015 #116

Gathering Intel & disfusing it to Resistance & Allies made him an enemy combattant of Nazis Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #118

Why did we kill a million Iraqis in Iraq? Rex Feb 2015 #95

It is the same tactic General Sherman used in his burning of the South tblue37 Feb 2015 #100

Why did the Germans bomb London? n/t oneshooter Feb 2015 #101

In Memoriam Dresden - 1945 by Daniel Bukvich TexasTowelie Feb 2015 #102

To allow hind-sighters to cluck their tongues righteously 70 years after the fact. Orrex Feb 2015 #110

Why did Fighters Strafe fleeing civilians? One_Life_To_Give Feb 2015 #111

Bro we in the West are the biggest LIARs in history malaise Feb 2015 #112

Thank you for assuring me they suffered. aquart Feb 2015 #119

I don't know the details of this -- but similar examples are the problem with war JonLP24 Feb 2015 #121

Henry V Act 3 Nevernose Feb 2015 #127