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192. The only thing I can say is that never in my life have I seen a lead up to a primary remotely like

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:23 AM

Feb 2015

this one.

And I don't think the Democratic bench is barren. Maybe 50 million Americans are Democrats.

:shrug

I've drawn my own conclusions from the facts cited in my prior post.

IMO, if anyone wanted to beat the bushes for qualified Democrats willing to run and willing to accept the backing of the Party's PTB for their candidacy, I am sure they could find at least ten worthy candidates. IMO, the Party's PTB have been discouraging potential opponents in a number of ways or we would not be seeing what I've been seeing for the past 2.5 years. I sure have never seen it before, even we have an incumbent. And for such a mixed bag candidate, no less.

In any event, I've drawn my conclusions from what I've been seeing and ask people to think hard and draw their own conclusions. I am not going to declare anyone evil or dumb or crazy simply because their conclusions differ from mine.

BTW every course of action people make and agree on, ,but do not necessarily announce to media is not a conspiracy. As Freud or someone supposedly said, "Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. " Good discussion.

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Five Reasons No Progressive Should Support Hillary Clinton [View all] newthinking Feb 2015 OP

None do glasshouses Feb 2015 #1

Not true. Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #41

What does Warren's support sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #75

If you read the post I responded to, you'd see that this poster claimed no progressive pnwmom Feb 2015 #81

I stand corrected sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #124

She also supports Bernie Sanders, it's called politics. Fearless Feb 2015 #152

When has she said that she, and all the Congressional women, hopes he will run? pnwmom Feb 2015 #153

As is Sanders running out of time....as a long-time Democrat I'm increasingly getting annoyed..... George II Feb 2015 #158

And yet, Elizabeth Warren has publicly attacked Clinton's Corporate friends, Goldman Sachs sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #82

Elizabeth Warren is a US Democratic Senator, who sits in a Democratic Caucus and depends merrily Feb 2015 #105

It's not silly to say she is a progressive who supports Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #106

Yes, it is, for the reasons stated in my prior post. Also, as I have posted many merrily Feb 2015 #107

Then why don't you read through the very long list of bills at the site I linked to, pnwmom Feb 2015 #109

Why are you changing the subject? Besides, the US Senate is a conservative body and most Dems merrily Feb 2015 #113

I'm not changing the subject, you are. The topic was whether any progressive supports Hillary pnwmom Feb 2015 #115

No, the subject that starts this subtread was your post about Warren's endorsement of Hillary. merrily Feb 2015 #116

And THAT post was in response to the claim that no progressives supported Hillary. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #118

Which is totally irrelevant to your changing the subject of the subthread from Warren's merrily Feb 2015 #139

Not true, no matter how many times you insist. pnwmom Feb 2015 #141

+10 (nt) PosterChild Feb 2015 #134

Elizabeth Warren was quoted as saying she supports Hillary Clinton RUNNING for president... cascadiance Feb 2015 #137

Are you saying she doesn’t support Hillary as the nominee pnwmom Feb 2015 #143

Warren is saying "she is not running"... cascadiance Feb 2015 #144

No, read the quote again. She said "no" to the question "are you going to run?" pnwmom Feb 2015 #145

I am not sure the Warren is entirely progressive Bugenhagen Feb 2015 #170

Elizabeth Warren had more than a supportive word. She said pnwmom Feb 2015 #177

No one really supports Hillary. She offers nothing progressive. Oklahoma_Liberal Feb 2015 #2

So, the 17 million Democrats who voted for her last time didn't "really" support her... brooklynite Feb 2015 #19

this time around progressives have their eyes wide open hopemountain Feb 2015 #35

hear, hear! Stellar Feb 2015 #38

Elizabeth Warren is a progressive and she supports Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #43

Please do not post facts ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #56

LOL!!! One of the 99 Feb 2015 #58

If DU was a measure of the Democratic Party... Historic NY Feb 2015 #60

Keep trying to sell that. merrily Feb 2015 #108

I don't have to it self sells here.. Historic NY Feb 2015 #127

Not really. merrily Feb 2015 #138

+10 (nt) PosterChild Feb 2015 #136

Then some of them need new glasses Renew Deal Feb 2015 #78

It's hard to take, for some, that these facts are indisputable at this time. demosincebirth Feb 2015 #97

She's Inevitable!!! ny tridim Feb 2015 #126

That's right! Just like the last time! n/t A Simple Game Feb 2015 #130

But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #160

Right. 840high Feb 2015 #83

Agree! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #87

That females are over 50% of the population might have had a touch to do with that in a Dem primary, merrily Feb 2015 #114

Interesting point you make about the primary. I had no idea. But I'm still not sure what you mean. ancianita Feb 2015 #174

She offers plenty progressive. She is a liberal, supported by millions of other liberals -- NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #48

Those who support expanding H-1B Visas, the TPP, and was on the Walmart board is NOT liberal... cascadiance Feb 2015 #149

Well Done. bvar22 Feb 2015 #159

....if we're not going to support her myohmy2 Feb 2015 #89

Really? Beacool Feb 2015 #146

Not true. Everyone here needs to remember that "support" isn't "agreement." ancianita Feb 2015 #173

While I fully understand your arguments.... CherokeeDem Feb 2015 #3

They are not "My arguments", though I am indeed very concerned about some of Hillary's newthinking Feb 2015 #6

I will.... CherokeeDem Feb 2015 #22

If the primary were held today, I would vote for Martin O'Mallely. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #68

O'Malley would be my choice.... CherokeeDem Feb 2015 #91

One of the reasons we don't know who is running is that, since 2012, we've been hearing that, if HRC merrily Feb 2015 #112

A Democrat who chooses not to run because of Hillary, is not qualified to be President. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #171

Nothing in my post said Hillary was intimidating candidates. merrily Feb 2015 #172

Then provide an alternate definition to "no Democrat will run against her in the primary." Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #176

I don't know where to begin since you missed the point of the post so entirely. merrily Feb 2015 #178

So you are blaming a media narrative for intimidating Democratic Challangers? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #181

No. I don't think any candidates have been intimidated by Hillary or by media. merrily Feb 2015 #182

In January, before Obama was reelected, they were opining about the Democrats Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #184

The only thing I can say is that never in my life have I seen a lead up to a primary remotely like merrily Feb 2015 #192

I don't believe in the PTB. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #197

You don't believe the Party has leaders who are more powerful vis a vis the Party than, say you and merrily Feb 2015 #199

The party has leaders, but the whole "Powers That Be" Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #201

"PTB" is just something that saves me a lot of typing. It simply refers to the people who have power merrily Feb 2015 #203

Courage? Thinking of a paddycake/profile raising pseudo run isn't courage it is playing the game TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #194

I disagree. This is no game. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #198

Completely Agree. n/t FSogol Feb 2015 #169

That really depends on whether you live in a reliably Democratic state hifiguy Feb 2015 #27

No one here wants a Republican alternative. But how far are we going to let the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #28

This is my concern as well. Are we prolonging the sufferring and risk? newthinking Feb 2015 #39

I think we are. Some think the slide into tyranny is ok if it's slow. It's too much work to fight rhett o rick Feb 2015 #98

My vote for a label? DeSwiss Feb 2015 #132

Ready For Jeb! JaneyVee Feb 2015 #4

If you don't want Jeb, nominate a progressive. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #11

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #32

Exactly. +1. GoneFishin Feb 2015 #69

+10000 Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #88

NO! No More Corporate lackeys, be they a member of the Bush Dynasty Or the Clinton Dynasty Dragonfli Feb 2015 #101

Hillary is outside Feb 2015 #5

So what does that say and how is the cycle broken? By perpetuating it? newthinking Feb 2015 #7

Sorry outside Feb 2015 #13

Yes the Oligarchs have enough money to do it. Doesn't mean I won't fight it all the way. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #12

LOL! We heard this inevitability meme before. HRC *might* be the dem nom, or she might not peacebird Feb 2015 #46

You like apples? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #90

I accept that you are a true believer. I believe she will energize many to come out to vote peacebird Feb 2015 #104

"I believe she will discourage many more from turning up to vote, mostly progressives or young." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #123

# 6 swilton Feb 2015 #8

That is one of the most sexist things I have read here at DU. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #15

That is one of the most childish things I've read here at DU swilton Feb 2015 #66

While I am no fan, that is bullshit.. SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #21

Brilliance and having a career swilton Feb 2015 #31

So she's had no career? SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #47

You are definitely misreading the intent of my post swilton Feb 2015 #65

So you support denying chldren the chance to see a doctor. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #9

That is not the argument made in the source thread swilton Feb 2015 #10

The argument made was the Haillry does't support anything progressive. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #14

No, it discusses 5 important considerations from a progressive point of view. newthinking Feb 2015 #42

Bill Frist is a progressive? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #120

She couldn't find a Democrat ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #17

Helping children see a doctor is moral, ethical, right, and progressive. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #23

The problem is that if Wall Street has their way we will all end up in soup lines. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #99

You sound concerned. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #16

Say Hello to President Bush, little Johnny. We preferred a three-fer to a two-fer and proud we are. libdem4life Feb 2015 #18

She is to "progressive" what decaf is to coffee. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #20

The Hillary campaign is trying to re-brand their candidate Maedhros Feb 2015 #92

sounds like obama for the most part. nt msongs Feb 2015 #24

You know what they say about opinions... everyone has them OKNancy Feb 2015 #25

. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #26

We've heard a lot of reasons not to nominate HRC but the only reason I've seen for nominating her rhett o rick Feb 2015 #29

What no one seems to mention is "Health Problems." KoKo Feb 2015 #154

It's what sets us apart from the two-bit dictatorships that only offer their citizens one choice. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #156

Surely we can do better. JEB Feb 2015 #30

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #33

I'm a progressive,yet I would vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic candidate. DrewFlorida Feb 2015 #34

From here: Maedhros Feb 2015 #93

It's a bad argument in theory mythology Feb 2015 #157

Here's the thing: electing Hillary will ensure continuance of the Bush-Obama policy Maedhros Feb 2015 #163

And, so if Hilary is the candidate you will not vote for her? DrewFlorida Feb 2015 #186

Announcing beforehand that we will vote for ANY Democrat Maedhros Feb 2015 #190

So now you use an apeal to fear! DrewFlorida Feb 2015 #191

No, that is reality. You declare yourself automatic and NOTHING need be done to secure your vote. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #196

The logic being employed is this: Maedhros Feb 2015 #205

personally - hopemountain Feb 2015 #36

Only five? Can think of dozens of reasons to reject Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #37

I have no interest in HRC's positions on many things. That said... adieu Feb 2015 #40

Depends ... labels and labeling NotHardly Feb 2015 #44

No self-respecting progressive would vote for Clinton. 99Forever Feb 2015 #45

+1 nt benz380 Feb 2015 #67

This one won't either. n/t MissDeeds Feb 2015 #71

....x10 840high Feb 2015 #85

I will support the nominee MFM008 Feb 2015 #49

Hillary is a liberal, and as a liberal I am an enthusiastic supporter. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #50

A rare time I agree with you davidpdx Feb 2015 #51

I suspect we agree about many other thing newthinking Feb 2015 #59

One reason why liberals should support whoever the Democratic nominee is still_one Feb 2015 #52

THEY DON'T CARE. Nominees to SCOTUS aren't as important as their personal ethics, damn it! BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #77

The stakes are higher than they have been still_one Feb 2015 #80

The Supreme Court LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #165

Bill Clinton appointed Ginsburg. Hillary is stands are mostly liberal on the issues still_one Feb 2015 #185

"I nominate Beyonce"... LuvLoogie Feb 2015 #53

I think we obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2015 #54

Then she is your best hope. Me? I think we can do better than a Reagan clone Dragonfli Feb 2015 #102

As a liberal.. if Hillary runs as our nominee.. she will get my full support.. Peacetrain Feb 2015 #55

Been there, heard that Frances Feb 2015 #57

I think a lot of progressives voted for Gore. I did. newthinking Feb 2015 #61

But the 95,000 in Florida who voted for Nader swung the election. pnwmom Feb 2015 #110

Gore won the 2000 election. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #96

So if Hillary gets the nomination we just shouldn't vote in November????? groundloop Feb 2015 #62

I'll be voting, but not for the Corporate Queen. nt benz380 Feb 2015 #63

Yea ,,,, stay home and elect another Republican,,,,,thats the ticket! Cryptoad Feb 2015 #64

Keep pushing Republican Lite, elect an actual Republican. GoneFishin Feb 2015 #70

I'm Done!!!! raindaddy Feb 2015 #72

Me too. RiverLover Feb 2015 #86

Good For You! raindaddy Feb 2015 #94

+1 n/t Alkene Feb 2015 #133

"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Feb 2015 #73

Hillary's No Al Gore. raindaddy Feb 2015 #79

The country shifted to the right when Nader helped Florida get tossed to SCOTUS. pnwmom Feb 2015 #111

gawd your ilk won't let up on that idiotic conspiracy theory. m-lekktor Feb 2015 #117

So actually the Clintons owe everything to Nader? raindaddy Feb 2015 #128

Quoting Nader? Beacool Feb 2015 #148

5. She can win. MyNameGoesHere Feb 2015 #74

It's all fine and dandy to hash this out in the primaries... MrScorpio Feb 2015 #76

If she's the Democratic nominee I will vote for her... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #84

#6 becuase after she loses, even when all the progs knuckle down and pull the lever, MisterP Feb 2015 #95

Let's try to make the bullies into victims treestar Feb 2015 #122

, Dragonfli Feb 2015 #100

So say the "progressives" who support Putin. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #103

And how do you come to the conclusion that progressives support Putin? cascadiance Feb 2015 #147

Simple--the same way you come to the conclusion that progressives supported Saddam-- eridani Feb 2015 #155

You do know what "quotes" mean, don't you? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #187

So, perhaps you are saying that those who don't support Clinton aren't progressive then... cascadiance Feb 2015 #189

And here you see the vulnerability of candidates with experience. You can pick and choose McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #119

There's something missing in your title eridani Feb 2015 #121

K and R bigwillq Feb 2015 #125

Oligarchy money is the biggest reason to not support this fucking system. L0oniX Feb 2015 #129

+10000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #135

Who the VP will Be is something we ought to be thinking about..... KoKo Feb 2015 #166

There are far too few to waste any as Hillary's hood ornament/empty appeal to liberals TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #202

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #131

I am a "Progressive" BlueMTexpat Feb 2015 #140

Another one of our "purist" gives advice maxrandb Feb 2015 #142

In the general election Progressives should support Clinton for one reason, if nothing else. Beacool Feb 2015 #150

It's NOT progressive to enable conservatives in any way... PERIOD uponit7771 Feb 2015 #151

One BIG reason they should Cartoonist Feb 2015 #161

Hillary. Wal Mart Board member (1986-1992) and former "Goldwater Girl." blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #162

That is ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #164

Ive only ever seen it written as member of WalMart's board of directors, no Foundation mentioned. merrily Feb 2015 #175

I read it somewhere a couple of years ago ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #179

Respect. merrily Feb 2015 #180

FYI merrily Feb 2015 #183

Bull Honky! moreland01 Feb 2015 #167

I'm Ready For Soup olddots Feb 2015 #168

K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #188

#1 reason to support if democratic candidate. supreme court. 'nough said. seabeyond Feb 2015 #193

So should we set out the election in 2016??? OR are you saying we should vote for Bush or Walker? hollowdweller Feb 2015 #195

And one reasons progressives WOULD support her...... LynneSin Feb 2015 #200

Two reasons, any Progressive SHOULD support HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #204