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Telcontar

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116. No evidence he participated in any active resistance

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 10:59 AM

Feb 2015

Yes, publishing a subversive newspaper was an act of courage. Doing so did place him in mortal danger. I still don't see where he had to make any decisions regarding defense of his people.

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Dresden was a civilian town with no military significance. Why did we burn its people? [View all] Karmadillo Feb 2015 OP

I studied this a little some years ago MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #1

K�ln was similarly flattened NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #3

Ever heard of Carthage? rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #11

Also rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #12

Dresden had over 100 factories jmowreader Feb 2015 #13

Shhhhh---don't mention inconvenient facts. MADem Feb 2015 #52

...^ that 840high Feb 2015 #68

Hitler was not democratically chosen tobe leader CreekDog Feb 2015 #126

No, he just showed up out of the blue, and everyone HATED him...not. MADem Feb 2015 #128

You either own your wrong comment or you disown it CreekDog Feb 2015 #138

Hey, you have a great day, now!!!! MADem Feb 2015 #139

I didn't put words in your mouth and you repaid that by putting words in mine CreekDog Feb 2015 #140

Hey, you have a great day, now!!! nt MADem Feb 2015 #141

A reason we flourished then was that WWII or "the peace" eliminated a lot of our competiton. merrily Feb 2015 #63

Why weren't they bombed then? former9thward Feb 2015 #90

The rail yards were more important to bomb, and they were the center of our attacks jmowreader Feb 2015 #92

The factories were in the suburbs - the bombers took out the city center. hedgehog Feb 2015 #135

That's my understanding too Sanity Claws Feb 2015 #15

Zeiss had most of it's manufacturing there Major Nikon Feb 2015 #16

Yet they were not targeted. former9thward Feb 2015 #91

Jena, where one of the Zeiss factories was built was bombed several times Major Nikon Feb 2015 #98

Funny how people try to justify what is now considered war crirmes. former9thward Feb 2015 #103

Even funnier how rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #104

Funny how people can't follow online conversations Major Nikon Feb 2015 #105

The typo police always on guard! former9thward Feb 2015 #115

Bobbing And Weaving! ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #122

Ever heard of the 20-million Chinese killed during the Japanese occupation, or the 15 million leveymg Feb 2015 #59

Napalm was used a fair amount in WWII. During the American Civil war we came up with the idea of braddy Feb 2015 #4

Sherman's march to the sea MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #5

Oh, it didn't originate with us. aquart Feb 2015 #120

You might want to read C.P. Snow who explained how strategic bombing probably prolonged the war leveymg Feb 2015 #40

I love C.P. Snow MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #78

Extremely interesting. Thank you for posting this. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #89

In part, it was to serve as a warning to Stalin of the capabilities of Western air power. . . Journeyman Feb 2015 #2

same reason nuclear devices were dropped guillaumeb Feb 2015 #29

Not to mention, America's willingness to use them. leveymg Feb 2015 #54

whatever weapons are needed by the Empire guillaumeb Feb 2015 #60

Extinction is Us leveymg Feb 2015 #67

Another reason, and it kind of sucks... Wounded Bear Feb 2015 #6

interestingly the same process happened in the Korean War: they started to run out MisterP Feb 2015 #81

At that point in the war... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #7

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #8

Slaughterhouse Five Lint Head Feb 2015 #9

I read it in high school burrowowl Feb 2015 #99

My dad had a book titled The Complete History of a WW ll. He must have acquired it in the late 40's or the early 50's mobeau69 Feb 2024 #143

Don't look for logic in war. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #10

Seriously? treestar Feb 2015 #14

Apparently, we've cycled through the other TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #21

seriously. Vietnam, Iraq, etc are there treestar Feb 2015 #25

Not everything posted is an attack against the US, at least to the non-paranoid DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #26

you have to have USDS treestar Feb 2015 #28

The article indicates it was mostly British bombers involved CJCRANE Feb 2015 #32

Wow, even more absurd a discussion then treestar Feb 2015 #34

It was controversial at the time and there was disagreement about its effectiveness: CJCRANE Feb 2015 #39

Discussing that or anything at that time made some sense treestar Feb 2015 #42

Bombers involved gladium et scutum Feb 2015 #36

Thanks. See my post #39 about the origin of the policy and discussion of its effectiveness. nt CJCRANE Feb 2015 #41

I'd bet good money that I know a great deal more about that war than you do. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #37

That has to win the internet for absurdity today treestar Feb 2015 #43

You're trying misdirection. You lost. Enjoy your Sunday. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #44

If a declaration of "you lost" is all we need treestar Feb 2015 #48

If you need it spelled out... DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #53

You you you treestar Feb 2015 #62

The one we're not supposed to be discussing, because treestar said so? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #65

It's Obama's fault!!! MADem Feb 2015 #58

thanks Obama! treestar Feb 2015 #66

You could, of course, notice that it's a British article muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #109

Might want to deep digger into our actions prior to WWII Lurks Often Feb 2015 #117

This is how we get away with murder whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #35

Like the Germans did, you mean? treestar Feb 2015 #46

Having difficultly parsing your post whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #55

No, I have a very cohesive thought treestar Feb 2015 #61

Glad to know whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #71

These deaths were right and good. So you have to stop talking about them now. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #75

Did you miss the part about civilian casualties being an hedgehog Feb 2015 #136

You're supposed to be angry.. Matrosov Feb 2015 #50

There must be a point where even terrorism is called for treestar Feb 2015 #56

"There must be a point where even terrorism is called for" So say terrorists everywhere. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #69

Yeah...like these terrorists! MADem Feb 2015 #74

thanks for making my point for me. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #77

Well, if I had any point to make, I suppose it would be that Dresden did have military MADem Feb 2015 #82

"There must be a point where even terrorism is called for" Rex Feb 2015 #97

First they came for the Communists JonLP24 Feb 2015 #123

First you eliminate the intellectuals and free thinkers Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #124

Yes, angry--isn't this AWFUL???? MADem Feb 2015 #70

I don't think anyone on this thread has said the bombing of London was an hedgehog Feb 2015 #137

When people suggest that the bombing of Dresden was unprovoked, had no military MADem Feb 2015 #142

Well you are lol...the rest of DU are supposed to talk about it and maybe have a discussion. Rex Feb 2015 #96

Um, war. Telcontar Feb 2015 #17

Went to Dresden back in 2004 GreatGazoo Feb 2015 #18

Not Quite... catnhatnh Feb 2015 #22

To stop the war Recursion Feb 2015 #19

So philosophical whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #31

There is a point where people are responsible for what their country does treestar Feb 2015 #38

Well whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #45

So you're not OK with that treestar Feb 2015 #47

And if it was your town whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #49

So you're criticizing Churchill for the decision? treestar Feb 2015 #51

Confused, what have you supported for the last ten to fifteen years? whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #57

You know what I'm talking about treestar Feb 2015 #64

You supported Bush's illegal wars? whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #72

I have to ask, are you being deliberately obtuse or genuinely mistaken Telcontar Feb 2015 #106

Huh? Recursion Feb 2015 #84

War is hell ... reasons for this rosesaylavee Feb 2015 #20

One of the premises of strategic bombing was break the will of the citizenry, Lurks Often Feb 2015 #23

I learned about that via fiction treestar Feb 2015 #27

Oh, are we asking why persons of non-military significance were burned? Please, carry on. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #24

No, it wasn't tabasco Feb 2015 #30

Dresden was bombed because most people are willing to commit mass murder. Vattel Feb 2015 #33

As the granddaughter of a Nazi soldier, KitSileya Feb 2015 #73

26 German and 1 Polish assination attempts on Hitler over 10 years - this was a Resistance Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #86

WWII "Collateral damage" had a much broader interpretation Zambero Feb 2015 #76

Also "cannon fodder" was considered part and parcel of war. MADem Feb 2015 #79

I doubt much of that JonLP24 Feb 2015 #125

I am getting the sense you aren't taking the point I'm making. MADem Feb 2015 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Feb 2015 #129

Sorry, everyone--for some strange reason, my post repeated itself with the same post number MADem Feb 2015 #129

With 70 years passing, there are questions that can be asked Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #83

Bridges, rail hubs, and road junctions Telcontar Feb 2015 #107

I used to say that too, with deep conviction. Then I learned to speak French and hear their side Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #113

Those that should answer that are long gone PumpkinAle Feb 2015 #80

Because it was war, and that didn't stop Germany from attacking civilian still_one Feb 2015 #85

Google "Coventry." cwydro Feb 2015 #87

Seriously? Why did we bomb German cities? cheapdate Feb 2015 #88

US and Britain wanted to slow the Soviet advance on Berlin. Special Prosciuto Feb 2015 #93

No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #94

Albert Camus is an idiot who wasnt responsible for the survival Telcontar Feb 2015 #108

Camus in French Resistance Intel unit "Combat" from 1941, & published a clandestine journal Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #114

No evidence he participated in any active resistance Telcontar Feb 2015 #116

Gathering Intel & disfusing it to Resistance & Allies made him an enemy combattant of Nazis Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #118

Why did we kill a million Iraqis in Iraq? Rex Feb 2015 #95

It is the same tactic General Sherman used in his burning of the South tblue37 Feb 2015 #100

Why did the Germans bomb London? n/t oneshooter Feb 2015 #101

In Memoriam Dresden - 1945 by Daniel Bukvich TexasTowelie Feb 2015 #102

To allow hind-sighters to cluck their tongues righteously 70 years after the fact. Orrex Feb 2015 #110

Why did Fighters Strafe fleeing civilians? One_Life_To_Give Feb 2015 #111

Bro we in the West are the biggest LIARs in history malaise Feb 2015 #112

Thank you for assuring me they suffered. aquart Feb 2015 #119

I don't know the details of this -- but similar examples are the problem with war JonLP24 Feb 2015 #121

Henry V Act 3 Nevernose Feb 2015 #127