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samsingh

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244. the facts were confirmed by another group

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:56 PM

Feb 2015

you can't ask for facts and then dismiss them without even evaluating them.

'...pure disbelief'??????

on what basis - you don't like the conclusion. This is the dishonesty of the progun continual request for facts only to dismiss them and then say 'what facts'.

i've kept this for pasting anytime a pro gun person asks for facts - expecting them to not even bother to understand them.

at least you seem to be dismissing the NRA talking points. Others trust studies supported by the gun lobby, but nothing from victims of gun violence.

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Non Sequitur: The Assault Rifle Sportsman [View all] Scuba Feb 2015 OP

This seems to violate the GD SOP Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #1

Aw did the OP give you a sadz? Rex Feb 2015 #121

nope Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #122

I understand, it is impossible for you to admit to being wrong Rex Feb 2015 #129

It has taken longer for others to be locked Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #132

Right...again, sorry about your bad luck. Rex Feb 2015 #134

What bad luck Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #137

And yet no penis reference, I bet it is driving you crazy not being able to use Rex Feb 2015 #140

no problem Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #148

Here you go. rgbecker Feb 2015 #197

This thread has been saved!! Here it is... nikto Feb 2015 #228

The more you kick the thread, the less likely it is to be locked Major Nikon Feb 2015 #231

I know Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #232

Non Sequiter is a cartoon that appears in the daily funnies, ducks. Hekate Feb 2015 #189

yes, and post about guns, even a cartoon Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #190

I read Wiley's cartoons every day; this is just an offhand comment for him, not a theme. Hekate Feb 2015 #193

Does the SOP or Skinners's Guidance say anything about a "theme"? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #194

I don't know who you think are "controllers," but this has obviously hit a nerve Hekate Feb 2015 #196

nope Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #198

You'll be happy to know that I reposted it in one of the correct Groups Electric Monk Feb 2015 #242

I use an AR-15 chambered in 6.8 Rem SPC to hunt wild hogs year round here. Arcadiasix Feb 2015 #2

does not matter to the controllers Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #9

If you are just interested in hunting game, why use a rifle like this? Hoyt Feb 2015 #40

The AR platform is Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #49

Like I said, the guns aren't manufactured, marketed, or bought because game hunters like them. Hoyt Feb 2015 #55

I do not hunt Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #60

the manufacturers make them for hunting. / they are well liked. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #215

You just "play" with your gunz? Darb Feb 2015 #216

Guns are not toys, I do not play with them Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #237

No deer hunter who knew his butt from a hole in the ground... gregcrawford Feb 2015 #236

where do I start Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #238

Good post. You beat me to it, but I posted a photo of a Rem 750 below. nt Damansarajaya Feb 2015 #207

I used a plasma rifle with night vision scope to hunt squirrels last week. Rex Feb 2015 #123

I can't wait until Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #130

Why do you hunt squirrels? Vattel Feb 2015 #166

In some places they're considered vermin. Pioneers used to eat them as small game in pies and stews. Hekate Feb 2015 #192

I hunt squirrels and eat them belcffub Feb 2015 #209

Pecan fed squirrel with German egg dumplings makes a fine meal. oneshooter Feb 2015 #210

Well there you have it. You two know what to do with an otherwise pesky critter. Hekate Feb 2015 #214

I've been wanting a 6.8 upper for several years. ileus Feb 2015 #156

I would like to get a 6.8 upper also Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #159

Actually, .223 is one of the more popular rounds for those who hunt for the meat. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #3

correct, but I bet it is not Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #8

Mine is. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #220

No - it is not jpak Feb 2015 #51

great caliber for Varmint hunting Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #58

.243 is a varmint round - .233 is a human killer jpak Feb 2015 #64

and your source for this is? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #69

.223 is the standard US & NATO military assault rifle round - designed to kill humans jpak Feb 2015 #79

Shows what you don't know. GGJohn Feb 2015 #83

Really? All fucking military rounds have a fucking caliber jpak Feb 2015 #86

Once again, your ignorance of military rounds is showing, GGJohn Feb 2015 #88

Do you know what metric a caliber represents? Nope jpak Feb 2015 #89

Caliper? GGJohn Feb 2015 #90

You can use a caliper to measure the caliber of a NATO 5.56x45 round jpak Feb 2015 #100

No shit. GGJohn Feb 2015 #102

Excuse my ignorance one again but if I recall cstanleytech Feb 2015 #91

You know, that's a really good question, GGJohn Feb 2015 #92

yes, hollow points and expanding ammo Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #95

Thanks!!! GGJohn Feb 2015 #99

The glasshouses Feb 2015 #98

It is authorized to use glasshouses Feb 2015 #113

.223 can be used Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #115

I'm referring to BTHP glasshouses Feb 2015 #124

That's correct. krispos42 Feb 2015 #229

Actually the .223 is not the US & NATO round. Hangingon Feb 2015 #84

nope, you are quite wrong Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #85

I fully admit my knowledge on firearms is lacking but wouldnt it depend on what cstanleytech Feb 2015 #70

You are very correct Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #71

You're absolutely correct. GGJohn Feb 2015 #73

Or is its a human saver round....take for instance my AR15 ileus Feb 2015 #200

A search of the term "223 hunting round" says otherwise. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #67

The .223 is a great caliber for hunting medium sized game, GGJohn Feb 2015 #68

Yup Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #74

Preferred round of the IDF for shooting rock throwing kids - must be "medium sized game." leveymg Feb 2015 #182

I wouldn't know, GGJohn Feb 2015 #184

This is not a .223 or 5.55x45 round. Hangingon Feb 2015 #240

So where all of those other Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #72

The calibers you listed are a dying breed NickB79 Feb 2015 #128

Do you really not know what the .30-.30, .30-06, and .308 were developed for? aikoaiko Feb 2015 #213

Wrong on every single count. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #221

Wait, you're saying a .223 isn't powerful enough for hunting game? NickB79 Feb 2015 #241

"Sportsman." Now there's a loaded term. 99Forever Feb 2015 #4

yes much better to let Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #6

Hmmm, we hunt for our food, never considered ourselves "badass hunters". eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #10

you know that does not matter to the controllers Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #12

does not matter to the controllers AlbertCat Feb 2015 #39

Oh please. 99Forever Feb 2015 #13

What does the year 1850 have to do with hunting? GGJohn Feb 2015 #15

wow, nice person Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #17

Yeah, that one is a particularly hateful person towards firearms owners. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #20

there are a few, I agree Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #27

Seriously. That would even rule out my Savage 1889. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #222

For someone who... 99Forever Feb 2015 #22

Not angry, just amused that you would think I'm trying to sell you something. GGJohn Feb 2015 #24

I have plenty of "clues about firearms owners and hunters." 99Forever Feb 2015 #26

Yeah, I'm suuuure you do. GGJohn Feb 2015 #29

No, I believe you have zero clues Shamash Feb 2015 #45

It's more cowardly than buying a 10# bag of ground animal at Costco? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #107

Oh please. 99Forever Feb 2015 #120

In my experience, those who hunt are more likely to have thought these issues through. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #136

They try to kill the toughest old buck to get the bragging rights. It removes the best from the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #219

Untrue. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #223

They are it is driving them nuts! Rex Feb 2015 #138

Naw, just rageingly amused at comments like this one. GGJohn Feb 2015 #143

Nonsense this has nothing to do with hunting for food. Thank you for providing Rex Feb 2015 #144

No no no, thank you for the laughter today from comments like yours. GGJohn Feb 2015 #151

yep, me too Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #154

You don't think those animals are picking up WhiteTara Feb 2015 #56

That's fine for you Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #63

I didn't and I don't. WhiteTara Feb 2015 #77

No problem Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #78

ahhh, those dopplegangers WhiteTara Feb 2015 #81

The area of AZ I live in? No, I do not. GGJohn Feb 2015 #65

some feel so superior to others Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #75

just before I was going to answer your post WhiteTara Feb 2015 #80

Oh I won't argue with you that we need to better manage our environment, GGJohn Feb 2015 #82

Your food bank takes wild game? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #109

Yes, as long as it's processed by a licensed butcher shop. GGJohn Feb 2015 #110

In NY they allow you to donate the meat at all processing places belcffub Feb 2015 #212

"It ain't sellin' to me. Check your watch, it's not 1850 any more." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #19

Priceless Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #36

! DeSwiss Feb 2015 #227

As long as you're starving and not having any fun at all. Brickbat Feb 2015 #87

No you don't brian williams. Darb Feb 2015 #217

Huh? eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #234

Killing something with a gun is not hard, now a knife, I would be impressed. nt Logical Feb 2015 #38

How about bow hunting? eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #46

Much much harder and I totally see the challenge in that. Still, a knife would be really impressive! Logical Feb 2015 #47

Anyone stupid enough to try to take a deer, elk, antelope, boars down GGJohn Feb 2015 #50

Well, it is the only way to have a fair fight. nt Logical Feb 2015 #53

Oh, I suspect it wouldn't be a fair fight, the odds would be with the animal. GGJohn Feb 2015 #59

Probably a good idea! :-) Logical Feb 2015 #62

I would be impressed, too Shamash Feb 2015 #57

Neat deal....... Logical Feb 2015 #61

I generally hunt with a flint lock anymore. oneshooter Feb 2015 #94

Wounding a game animal isn't really fun glasshouses Feb 2015 #119

True, I always picture that cowardly sack of shit Ted Nugent when I see that word. Rex Feb 2015 #131

So tough guy, GGJohn Feb 2015 #146

Oooh, somebody's going to be getting a bunch of threatening letters... n2doc Feb 2015 #5

Yes, we just like to follow Skinner's guidance and Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #7

Whats a Gun worshipper? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #11

They're supposed to be white... I think. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #161

Leave it to the cartoonist madokie Feb 2015 #14

Exactly! hobbit709 Feb 2015 #16

I use an AR-15 to hunt the feral pigs here in AZ, GGJohn Feb 2015 #18

It don't matter John madokie Feb 2015 #23

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why an AR-15 would un-nerve you? GGJohn Feb 2015 #28

The visual, its what it reminds me of madokie Feb 2015 #44

Fair enough, I can understant that. GGJohn Feb 2015 #48

Since your friend was in violation of federal law, why did you not report him? oneshooter Feb 2015 #32

That is very true Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #35

When was this? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #33

It is amazing that only changing the stock of a rifle pocoloco Feb 2015 #42

One more then I'm gone madokie Feb 2015 #52

the dreaded Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #54

You watched your 'friend' commit a 10 year, $100,000 Federal Felony? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #226

other than the fact he does not seem to understand Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #21

Thanks but I'll pass on the video madokie Feb 2015 #25

Interesting video lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #104

Yes, it can be chambered in several different hunting rounds, GGJohn Feb 2015 #108

The AR platform can be chambered in Deer and Elk calibers? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #112

That's because you have no idea what you're looking at. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #224

I have never understood having an animal head in your house to prove you killed it! Weird IMO. nt Logical Feb 2015 #30

I never understood that also, GGJohn Feb 2015 #34

I thought Wiley Miller was smarter and more educated than this. aikoaiko Feb 2015 #31

guess not Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #37

He sure set off the DU pro-gun contingent, didn't he? Paladin Feb 2015 #41

Ignorant asshattery usually does. aikoaiko Feb 2015 #43

kick samsingh Feb 2015 #66

for an ignorant cartoon Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #76

hey there was an email last week about facts that more guns = more deaths samsingh Feb 2015 #239

Violence Policy Center (VPC)? GGJohn Feb 2015 #243

the facts were confirmed by another group samsingh Feb 2015 #244

Funny thing is that according to the FBI, GGJohn Feb 2015 #245

suicide is still a gun death samsingh Feb 2015 #246

The VPC is saying that more guns equals more deaths, GGJohn Feb 2015 #247

there is absolutely no way that more guns = less deaths samsingh Feb 2015 #248

And I never said more guns=less deaths, GGJohn Feb 2015 #249

here's what their website says: Read why the FBI discourages ranking agencies on the sole basis samsingh Feb 2015 #250

I think it is strange that gun/bow hunters consider themselves "sportsmen" DrDan Feb 2015 #93

Careful... 99Forever Feb 2015 #97

I suppose it would be quite soothing to DrDan Feb 2015 #174

Great cartoon Gothmog Feb 2015 #96

My dad was a butcher. There was nothing he hated more than processing an animal that was killed jwirr Feb 2015 #101

Who the hell hunts with an assault rifle? GGJohn Feb 2015 #103

Don't asks me I just remember hunting season and how angry my dad would get. All I know is jwirr Feb 2015 #106

How exactly is the meat dumbcat Feb 2015 #169

I do not know these guns. Merely that using more than a couple bullets tends to rip whole sections jwirr Feb 2015 #175

That's what I thought dumbcat Feb 2015 #195

I do not think you will use Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #199

Even I know that with my small knowledge regarding guns. And I never claimed that. jwirr Feb 2015 #201

I know that Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #202

I have taken deer with an AR rifle... belcffub Feb 2015 #211

And many gunhumpers were butthurt mwrguy Feb 2015 #105

Nope, just amused at the ignorance of the author of that toon, GGJohn Feb 2015 #111

Let them have their toons and comments. VScott Feb 2015 #118

Yep Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #127

. Rex Feb 2015 #142

and who would that be Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #117

I know it is making me LMAO at their failed attempts to shutdown this OP. Rex Feb 2015 #133

at least we do not require a "safe haven" Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #139

Respect Skinner? You? Rex Feb 2015 #141

point out were I do not Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #145

See post #131 nt Rex Feb 2015 #149

I have no idea what you mean Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #153

He must'a been'a hunting with one of these bad MoFo's... VScott Feb 2015 #114

be carefull, the controllers will alert Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #116

Seems like that's about all they have the abilty to control these days. VScott Feb 2015 #126

it does drive them nuts Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #135

Careful you will get a paranoid reply that is total nonsense. Rex Feb 2015 #125

I kill coyotes with my M16 Chuuku Davis Feb 2015 #147

an M16 Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #150

Why would you kill coyotes? For food? I love coyotes and have many around here. panader0 Feb 2015 #162

I kill them when they go after our livestock, GGJohn Feb 2015 #168

Do you eat them, or donate to the food bank? panader0 Feb 2015 #171

Nope, I leave them to the scavangers to to clean up. GGJohn Feb 2015 #176

do you use bullets with lead? MH1 Feb 2015 #178

most milsurp 5.56 Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #181

No, I do not. GGJohn Feb 2015 #183

Thank you, that's good to know. MH1 Feb 2015 #185

I just hope that people put as much effort Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #191

It used to be a real issue Sgent Feb 2015 #252

K&R for pissing of the right person! Rex Feb 2015 #152

What is this cartoon about? ileus Feb 2015 #155

Gun lovers not getting the point here Augustus Feb 2015 #157

And you're not getting it either. GGJohn Feb 2015 #158

It's satire Augustus Feb 2015 #160

bad satire at that Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #164

You're holding satire to an unbelievable standard Augustus Feb 2015 #170

Yes if you remove all of the false Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #179

I caught the satire when the OP posted the thread, GGJohn Feb 2015 #165

Disagreeing with a progressive message does not make the message idiotic Augustus Feb 2015 #167

My, my, now you're the arbitar of what's progressive and what's not? GGJohn Feb 2015 #172

Is shooting and killing animals for sport progressive? Augustus Feb 2015 #173

Are you the arbiter of what's progressive or not? GGJohn Feb 2015 #177

Progressivism Augustus Feb 2015 #186

I don't need to convince you of anything at all. GGJohn Feb 2015 #187

Guns and shooting are not progressive simply because... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #188

Very progressive, yet he was an avid firearms owner GGJohn Feb 2015 #203

And a life member... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #204

OH NOOOOS!!!!! eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #205

Thank you for getting the point. panader0 Feb 2015 #163

Thank you for anti-gunster-splaining the toon. aikoaiko Feb 2015 #208

Add a plaque, SOMETHING WITHOUT FUR. leveymg Feb 2015 #180

This is a semi-automatic rifle Damansarajaya Feb 2015 #206

Stop playing army and join it. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #218

Sportsman? LOL!!!!! OMG, idiots. LOL, "hunter" right? flvegan Feb 2015 #225

wow, how civil of you Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #230

I'm kicking this thread, just for their enjoyment :) nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #251

That seems to tingle someones tangle. Madmiddle Feb 2015 #233

Scuba, this seems to be a topic you care about Recursion Feb 2015 #235