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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. CIA Torture program reminds me of NAZI human experimentation.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 10:08 AM
Feb 2015

Jose Padilla, the convicted dirty bomber in his mind, is another guy James Comey* may want to forget.



The government of the United States destroyed his mind.

*"We now know much of what Jose Padilla knows, and what we have learned confirms that the President made the right call and that that call saved lives." -- James Comey, Deputy Attorney General; press conference, when asked about Bush torture program.



What Cold War CIA Interrogators Learned from the Nazis

The Daily Beast
Feb. 11, 2014

At a secret black site in the years after the end of WWII, CIA and US intelligence operatives tested LSD and other interrogation techniques on captured Soviet spies—all with the help of former Nazi doctors. An excerpt from Annie Jacobsen’s Operation Paperclip, published this week.

It was 1946 and World War II had ended less than one year before. In Top Secret memos being circulated in the elite ‘E’ ring of the Pentagon, the Joint Chiefs of Staff were preparing for ‘total war’ with the Soviets—to include atomic, chemical, and biological warfare. They even set an estimated start date of 1952. The Joint Chiefs believed that the U.S. could win this future war, but not for reasons that the general public knew about. Since war’s end, across the ruins of the Third Reich, U.S. military officers had been capturing and then hiring Hitler’s weapons makers, in a Top Secret program that would become known as Operation Paperclip. Soon, more than 1,600 of these men and their families would be living the American dream, right here in the United States. From these Nazi scientists, U.S. military and intelligence organizations culled knowledge of Hitler’s most menacing weapons including sarin gas and weaponized bubonic plague.

As the Cold War progressed, the program expanded and got stranger still. In 1948, Operation Paperclip’s Brigadier General Charles E. Loucks, Chief of U.S. Chemical Warfare Plans in Europe, was working with Hitler’s former chemists when one of the scientists, Nobel Prize winner Richard Kuhn, shared with General Loucks information about a drug with military potential being developed by Swiss chemists. This drug, a hallucinogen, had astounding potential properties if successfully weaponized. In documents recently discovered at the U.S. Army Heritage Center in Pennsylvania, Loucks quickly became enamored with the idea that this drug could be used on the battlefield to “incapacitate not kill.” The drug was Lysergic acid diethylamide, or LSD.

It did not take long for the CIA to become interested and involved. Perhaps LSD could also be used for off-the-battlefield purposes, a means through which human behavior could be manipulated and controlled. In an offshoot of Operation Paperclip, the CIA teamed up with Army, Air Force and Naval Intelligence to run one of the most nefarious, classified, enhanced interrogation programs of the Cold War. The work took place inside a clandestine facility in the American zone of occupied Germany, called Camp King. The facility’s chief medical doctor was Operation Paperclip’s Dr. Walter Schreiber, the former Surgeon General of the Third Reich. When Dr. Schreiber was secretly brought to America—to work for the U.S. Air Force in Texas—his position was filled with another Paperclip asset, Dr. Kurt Blome, the former Deputy Surgeon General of the Third Reich and the man in charge of the Nazi’s program to weaponize bubonic plague. The activities that went on at Camp King between 1946 and the late 1950s have never been fully accounted for by either the Department of Defense or the CIA.

Camp King was strategically located in the village of Oberursel, eleven miles northwest of the United States European Command (EUCOM) headquarters in Frankfurt. Officially the facility had three names: the U.S. Military Intelligence Service Center at Oberursel, the 7707th European Command Intelligence Center, and Camp King. In 1945, the place housed captured Nazis but by 1948 most of its prisoners were Soviet bloc spies. For more than a decade Camp King would function as a Cold War black site long before black sites were known as such—an ideal facility to develop enhanced interrogation techniques in part because it was “off-site” but mainly because of its access to Soviet prisoners.

It was an international crisis in June of 1948 that gave Operation Paperclip momentum at Camp King. Early on the morning of June 24, the Soviets cut off all land and rail access to the American zone in Berlin, an action that would become known as the Berlin Blockade. “The Soviet blockade of Berlin in 1948 clearly indicated that the wartime alliance [between the Soviets and the United States] had dissolved,” explained CIA deputy director for operations Jack Downing. “Germany then became a new battlefield between east and west.”

“In our conversation of 9 February 1951, I outlined to you the possibilities of augmenting the usual interrogation methods by the use of drugs, hypnosis, shock, etc., and emphasized the defensive aspects as well as the offensive opportunities in this field of applied medical science,” wrote Dulles.
At this time, the CIA believed the Soviets were pursing mind control programs—supposedly a means of getting captured spies to talk—and the Agency wanted to know what it would be up against if the Russians got hold of its American spies. Since the end of the war, the various U.S. military branches had developed advanced air, land and sea rescue programs, based in part by research conducted by Nazi doctors during the war. But the Soviets had also made great advances in rescue programs and this presented a serious, new concern for the Pentagon and the CIA. If a downed U.S. pilot or soldier was rescued and captured by the Russians, that person would almost certainly be subjected to unconventional Soviet interrogation techniques. In an attempt to determine what kinds of Soviet techniques might be used, a research program was set up at Camp King. Documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) reveal that the U.S. developed its post-war enhanced interrogation techniques here at Camp King, under the CIA code name Operation Bluebird.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/11/what-cold-war-cia-interrogators-learned-from-the-nazis.html

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Horrible. polly7 Feb 2015 #1
CIA Torture program reminds me of NAZI human experimentation. Octafish Feb 2015 #4
So interesting. polly7 Feb 2015 #5
"[E]xperimental inquiry into what is possible" OnyxCollie Feb 2015 #7
"That is the textbook definition of human experimentation"... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #14
Yet, America continues to try to justify those actions. No honor. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #56
That's because NAZI's were gainfully employed and their skillsets were increased by elements of US bobthedrummer Feb 2015 #19
padilla was an American citizen too questionseverything Feb 2015 #40
That's rather sanctimonious of Kiriakou, don't you think? Scuba Feb 2015 #2
Cheney was public face, but the responsibility is Bush's, who signed off on it. Octafish Feb 2015 #3
HEY! You said "RT" and that makes this whole thread suspect. RT has "Russian" in the title rhett o rick Feb 2015 #27
Considering he is pro-waterboarding, why, yes! nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #18
Didn't his understanding evolve? Octafish Feb 2015 #21
Um, no---his understanding didn't 'evolve' until he realized he could troll the Far Left. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #23
If that were so, he'd still be supporting US Government Torture program. Octafish Feb 2015 #25
No.....he's trolling the Farthest Left, Octa....pretending he gives a shite about msanthrope Feb 2015 #30
Do you have a government pension in your future, msanthrope? Octafish Feb 2015 #32
Kiriakou lost his pension because he went to prison. He.....like Jeffrey Sterling, msanthrope Feb 2015 #33
The psychotic heinous group-think of warmakers is destroying humanity and the earth. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #6
They truly are! We are living in post-fascist America. Octafish Feb 2015 #22
Many of them are New Apostolic Reformation dominionist zealots bobthedrummer Mar 2015 #69
And they fit hand in glove into the goals of the mic, as if one dependent upon the other. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #70
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Feb 2015 #8
I've got friends and family who are grieving over wars without end. Octafish Feb 2015 #24
K&R! marym625 Feb 2015 #9
William K. Black noticed that in regards to the Banksters. Octafish Feb 2015 #29
nope. not that many brave people in Washington marym625 Feb 2015 #58
Prosecution of these war criminals is step one JEB Feb 2015 #10
Gee, didn't this president come into office on behalf of transparency? What happened??? MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #11
+1 BeanMusical Feb 2015 #13
Ask Obama. /nt Ash_F Feb 2015 #12
Just finished watching "Kill the Messenger." Searched historical news articles about Gary Webb. kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #15
Ridiculous. John Kiriakou is pro-torture, everyone knows that. n/t yodermon Feb 2015 #16
Sarcasm? [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #38
And, the thugs that participated in it. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #17
He should quit being so sanctimonious BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #20
Hell, he is a whistle-blower, so how much credence can he have? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #28
He's no whistleblower....he DEFENDED the use of waterboarding..... msanthrope Feb 2015 #31
The "Farthest Left?" BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #37
Nope..paraphrasing the TOS.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #39
Know thyself BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #41
Well--this the first time on DU I've been accused of being far Left. I suppose that's an msanthrope Feb 2015 #43
No BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #44
Why not just state plainly what you mean? I never alert on personal insults, because I think they msanthrope Feb 2015 #45
I'm not afraid of hides BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #47
Yes--that a few, sensible DUers remember when this CIA agent brazenly went on national msanthrope Feb 2015 #48
False equivalence BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #50
Which is exactly what I wrote.....anyone we can get for torture, WE SHOULD. msanthrope Feb 2015 #51
Well at least we agree on that. BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #52
The only place we disagree is where I think people like Kiriakou remain the pieces of shit msanthrope Feb 2015 #53
Then we don't disagree BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #55
Then I was wrong, and I apologize, truly. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #59
You don't have to apologize BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #62
Link to where he defended waterboarding? Vattel Feb 2015 #63
Oh yeah, whistle-blowers are the worst! BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #36
This thread is a great example of the divide in the Democratic Party as represented rhett o rick Feb 2015 #26
Amazing how much the party has changed. raindaddy Feb 2015 #35
'Amazing how the whistle blowers are subjected to more scrutiny than the corruption of the system... Octafish Feb 2015 #46
Thank you Octafish raindaddy Feb 2015 #60
In other words, Jamastiene Feb 2015 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2015 #34
A National Press Corpse Octafish Feb 2015 #67
Go look this guy up on... ReRe Feb 2015 #42
''I would do it all again.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #54
My day is not complete.... ReRe Feb 2015 #68
This country has no moral authority and will never have any until the torturers are brought to sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #49
Judge Laurence Silberman compared a journalist who said, 'Bush lied America into war' with NAZIs. Octafish Feb 2015 #57
MUST. LOOK. FORWARD. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #61
That's what Judge Silberman said, just the other day. Octafish Feb 2015 #65
That's just what Presidential Advisor Cass Sunstein said the other day. Octafish Feb 2015 #66
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