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OnyxCollie

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7. "[E]xperimental inquiry into what is possible"
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 10:56 AM
Feb 2015
Review Articles TOTALITARIANISM The Revised Standard Version By ROBERT BURROWES*

Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 3rd edition, New York, Harcourt, Brace & Company, 1966, 526 pp. $8.75.

Carl J. Friedrich and Zbigniew K. Brzezinski, Totalitarian Dictatorship and Autocracy, 2nd edition, revised by Carl J. Friedrich, Cambridge, Mass., Harvard University Press, 1965, 439 pp. $9.95.

Arendt's conception of totalitarianism is that of a "fictitious, topsy-turvy world" (437). The most striking feature of that world is less the omnipresence than the non-utilitarian character of terror. Unlike the terror of other systems, totalitarian terror is not understandable in terms of the utilitarian motives or self-interest of the rulers. It is explicable only as a means to the insane, anti-utilitarian and selfless "experimental inquiry into what is possible" (436, 440).


The CIA Didn’t Just Torture, It Experimented on Human Beings
http://www.thenation.com/article/193185/cia-didnt-just-torture-it-experimented-human-beings

In its response to the Senate report, the CIA justified its decision to hire the duo: “We believe their expertise was so unique that we would have been derelict had we not sought them out when it became clear that CIA would be heading into the uncharted territory of the program.” Mitchell and Jessen’s qualifications did not include interrogation experience, specialized knowledge about Al Qaeda or relevant cultural or linguistic knowledge. What they had was Air Force experience in studying the effects of torture on American prisoners of war, as well as a curiosity about whether theories of “learned helplessness” derived from experiments on dogs might work on human enemies.

To implement those theories, Mitchell and Jessen oversaw or personally engaged in techniques intended to produce “debility, disorientation and dread.” Their “theory” had a particular means-ends relationship that is not well understood, as Mitchell testily explained in an interview on Vice News: “The point of the bad cop is to get the bad guy to talk to the good cop.” In other words, “enhanced interrogation techniques” (the Bush administration’s euphemism for torture) do not themselves produce useful information; rather, they produce the condition of total submission that will facilitate extraction of actionable intelligence.

~snip~

But here we are again. This brings us back to Mitchell and Jessen. Because of their experience as trainers in the military’s Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape (SERE) program, after 9/11 they were contacted by high-ranking Pentagon officials and, later, by lawyers who wanted to know whether some of those SERE techniques could be reverse-engineered to get terrorism suspects to talk.

The road from abstract hypotheticals (can SERE be reverse-engineered?) to the authorized use of waterboarding and confinement boxes runs straight into the terrain of human experimentation. On April 15, 2002, Mitchell and Jessen arrived at a black site in Thailand to supervise the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, the first “high-value detainee” captured by the CIA. By July, Mitchell proposed more coercive techniques to CIA headquarters, and many of these were approved in late July. From then until the program was dry-docked in 2008, at least thirty-eight people were subjected to psychological and physical torments, and the results were methodically documented and analyzed. That is the textbook definition of human experimentation.

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Horrible. polly7 Feb 2015 #1
CIA Torture program reminds me of NAZI human experimentation. Octafish Feb 2015 #4
So interesting. polly7 Feb 2015 #5
"[E]xperimental inquiry into what is possible" OnyxCollie Feb 2015 #7
"That is the textbook definition of human experimentation"... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #14
Yet, America continues to try to justify those actions. No honor. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #56
That's because NAZI's were gainfully employed and their skillsets were increased by elements of US bobthedrummer Feb 2015 #19
padilla was an American citizen too questionseverything Feb 2015 #40
That's rather sanctimonious of Kiriakou, don't you think? Scuba Feb 2015 #2
Cheney was public face, but the responsibility is Bush's, who signed off on it. Octafish Feb 2015 #3
HEY! You said "RT" and that makes this whole thread suspect. RT has "Russian" in the title rhett o rick Feb 2015 #27
Considering he is pro-waterboarding, why, yes! nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #18
Didn't his understanding evolve? Octafish Feb 2015 #21
Um, no---his understanding didn't 'evolve' until he realized he could troll the Far Left. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #23
If that were so, he'd still be supporting US Government Torture program. Octafish Feb 2015 #25
No.....he's trolling the Farthest Left, Octa....pretending he gives a shite about msanthrope Feb 2015 #30
Do you have a government pension in your future, msanthrope? Octafish Feb 2015 #32
Kiriakou lost his pension because he went to prison. He.....like Jeffrey Sterling, msanthrope Feb 2015 #33
The psychotic heinous group-think of warmakers is destroying humanity and the earth. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #6
They truly are! We are living in post-fascist America. Octafish Feb 2015 #22
Many of them are New Apostolic Reformation dominionist zealots bobthedrummer Mar 2015 #69
And they fit hand in glove into the goals of the mic, as if one dependent upon the other. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #70
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Feb 2015 #8
I've got friends and family who are grieving over wars without end. Octafish Feb 2015 #24
K&R! marym625 Feb 2015 #9
William K. Black noticed that in regards to the Banksters. Octafish Feb 2015 #29
nope. not that many brave people in Washington marym625 Feb 2015 #58
Prosecution of these war criminals is step one JEB Feb 2015 #10
Gee, didn't this president come into office on behalf of transparency? What happened??? MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #11
+1 BeanMusical Feb 2015 #13
Ask Obama. /nt Ash_F Feb 2015 #12
Just finished watching "Kill the Messenger." Searched historical news articles about Gary Webb. kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #15
Ridiculous. John Kiriakou is pro-torture, everyone knows that. n/t yodermon Feb 2015 #16
Sarcasm? [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #38
And, the thugs that participated in it. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #17
He should quit being so sanctimonious BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #20
Hell, he is a whistle-blower, so how much credence can he have? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #28
He's no whistleblower....he DEFENDED the use of waterboarding..... msanthrope Feb 2015 #31
The "Farthest Left?" BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #37
Nope..paraphrasing the TOS.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #39
Know thyself BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #41
Well--this the first time on DU I've been accused of being far Left. I suppose that's an msanthrope Feb 2015 #43
No BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #44
Why not just state plainly what you mean? I never alert on personal insults, because I think they msanthrope Feb 2015 #45
I'm not afraid of hides BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #47
Yes--that a few, sensible DUers remember when this CIA agent brazenly went on national msanthrope Feb 2015 #48
False equivalence BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #50
Which is exactly what I wrote.....anyone we can get for torture, WE SHOULD. msanthrope Feb 2015 #51
Well at least we agree on that. BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #52
The only place we disagree is where I think people like Kiriakou remain the pieces of shit msanthrope Feb 2015 #53
Then we don't disagree BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #55
Then I was wrong, and I apologize, truly. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #59
You don't have to apologize BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #62
Link to where he defended waterboarding? Vattel Feb 2015 #63
Oh yeah, whistle-blowers are the worst! BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #36
This thread is a great example of the divide in the Democratic Party as represented rhett o rick Feb 2015 #26
Amazing how much the party has changed. raindaddy Feb 2015 #35
'Amazing how the whistle blowers are subjected to more scrutiny than the corruption of the system... Octafish Feb 2015 #46
Thank you Octafish raindaddy Feb 2015 #60
In other words, Jamastiene Feb 2015 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2015 #34
A National Press Corpse Octafish Feb 2015 #67
Go look this guy up on... ReRe Feb 2015 #42
''I would do it all again.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #54
My day is not complete.... ReRe Feb 2015 #68
This country has no moral authority and will never have any until the torturers are brought to sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #49
Judge Laurence Silberman compared a journalist who said, 'Bush lied America into war' with NAZIs. Octafish Feb 2015 #57
MUST. LOOK. FORWARD. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #61
That's what Judge Silberman said, just the other day. Octafish Feb 2015 #65
That's just what Presidential Advisor Cass Sunstein said the other day. Octafish Feb 2015 #66
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