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MrMickeysMom

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51. HOW'D they REALLY get there? It's like the sub-prime mortgage crisis of 2007-2008...
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 11:21 AM
Feb 2015

This was posted on February 17, 2015 by Charles Hugh Smith from Max Keiser's Financial War Reports. I find it a good analogy…

Sometimes the best way to summarize a complex situation is with an analogy. The Greek debt crisis, for example, is very much like the subprime mortgage crisis of 2007-08.

As you might recall, service workers earning $25,000 annually got $500,000 mortgages to buy McMansions in subprime’s go-go days. The applicant fudged a bit here and there on income and creditworthiness, and lenders reaping huge profits from originating and selling mortgages were delighted to ignore prudent underwriting standards and stamp “low-risk” on the mortgage because it was quickly sold to credulous investors.

The bank made its money in transaction and origination fees, and passed the risk of default on to investors who accepted the fraud that the loan was low-risk.

The loan was fundamentally imprudent and risky because the borrower was not qualified for a loan of such magnitude. But since the risk was distributed to others, the banks ignored the 100% probability of eventual default and skimmed the profits upfront.

Greece was the subprime borrower, and its membership in the euro gave the banks permission to enter the credit rating of Germany on Greece’s loan application. Though anyone with the slightest knowledge of Greece’s economy knew it did not qualify for loans of such magnitude, lenders were happy to offer the loans at interest rates close to those of Greece’s northern neighbors, and then sell them as low-risk sovereign debt investments.

In effect, the banks were free-riding the magical-thinking belief that membership in the euro transformed risky borrowers into creditworthy borrowers.


Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/#6ZRdA8mhtzUpmcX5.99

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I thnk Greece will leave the EU. How the EU survives the economic fallout is not to be guessed. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #1
For strategic reasons, the EU can't let that happen. But closeupready Feb 2015 #4
Ultimately, the EU can not stop them. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #5
Scotland had a recent secession vote that failed, but as a means of defusing such ideas, closeupready Feb 2015 #10
Scotland's seccession was from England, not the EU. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #49
Sure they can. They have armies. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #19
Srsly? You think Germany, as leader of the EU and the biggest proponent of austerity, truebluegreen Feb 2015 #27
Well, we are talking about "ultimately", not "first thing to try". (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #30
The EU does not have a military. The inidividual nations do have militaries, but I don't think Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #45
Yes. The entire point of forming the EU was fundamentally about PEACE, closeupready Feb 2015 #50
You're forgetting the financial destruction. jeff47 Feb 2015 #56
Probably not, because the money isn't big enough. jeff47 Feb 2015 #55
The problem is... Adrahil Feb 2015 #40
They survivied before the EU existed. They could find away to suvive without it. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #48
I basically agree... Adrahil Feb 2015 #57
The Euro was a bad idea because they did not integrate their economic system. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #58
It's a speed bump. MrTriumph Feb 2015 #2
You can bet Portugal, Spain and Ireland are watching carefully. riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #3
Yep... And Speed Bumps Can Be Lethal If One Is Reckless... WillyT Feb 2015 #6
Austerity is a terrible idea. These people need to read Keynes. n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #41
If the Troika wins it shows Germany actually won WWII tech3149 Feb 2015 #7
The IMF was founded in the US in 1944. MrTriumph Feb 2015 #8
Thr porblem with the EU DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #9
Effin A! You understand the problem! tech3149 Feb 2015 #12
....will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #11
+10000 The only way to stop a predator woo me with science Feb 2015 #14
And not just in EU. jwirr Feb 2015 #15
KnR for Professor Krugman Hekate Feb 2015 #13
Prediction... Helen Borg Feb 2015 #16
How they got there? Simple. hifiguy Feb 2015 #17
I think I may love you.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #42
HOW'D they REALLY get there? It's like the sub-prime mortgage crisis of 2007-2008... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #51
Don't ridicule yourself. DetlefK Feb 2015 #52
The euro was created precisely to bring about the mess we're seeing in Greece, Spain, etc. nichomachus Feb 2015 #18
Getting a bit conspiratorial TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #20
I think nation states should control their own fiscal, economic and trade policies. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #23
Like they did before WWII? TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #24
There weren't many sovereign nations in those days but plenty of empires. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #25
those empires where nation states TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #35
The UN was set up to protect the sovereignty of nation states. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #37
How about "the pudding." nt truebluegreen Feb 2015 #29
I love it -- anything someone doesn't like to hear is a "Conspiracy Theory" nichomachus Feb 2015 #38
Why not just use Alex Jones TooPragmatic Feb 2015 #39
I agree. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #21
A similar desire was the cause of the failure of the Articles of Confederation. SteveG Feb 2015 #54
Good book plot.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #43
Spot on, Nicho Android3.14 Feb 2015 #53
interesting and scary hfojvt Feb 2015 #22
How did Europe get to this point? Goldman Sachs. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #26
Recommend...thanks, WillyT. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #28
You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #31
You may be interested in Professor Bill Black who has written on the subject in addition to your Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #32
Thank You For That... I'm A Big Fan Of Bill Black !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #33
He is a reliable, powerful force for good analysis..agreed. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #34
+1 Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #44
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #36
K/R marmar Feb 2015 #46
this is a really thoughtful piece. MBS Feb 2015 #47
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