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haele

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53. Children (and adults) with auto-immune conditions are already exempt -
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 06:11 PM
Feb 2015

And no one is asking them to be vaccinated if they can't be safely vaccinated. And you're only talking about, what - maybe a quarter of one percent of the children at any particular school and around half of one percent of adults under the age of 70 or so?
As for safer alternatives to vaccinations? I honestly can't think of anything natural that would work other than the methods that failed disastrously when I and my parents were children (calculated exposure/quarantine practices and hopefully universal medical care available for the five to ten percent of the time that fails...)- or some sort of anti-viral cocktail from Big Pharma, which sort of defeats the purpose of not being for monetary purposes.

As it is, common vaccines are loss-leaders for pharmaceuticals for the most part. If the government and other community health organizations didn't pay them to provide enough for school children and others, each vaccine would cost in the thousands under the current pharmaceutical mode - and then we'd be right back to where we were in 1966 when my friend in second grade went home with the measles - and they managed to save her infant brother's life by getting him to the hospital quickly enough, but he ended up deaf and had some obvious motor-damage from the brain damage getting the measles at five months old will cause.

Most anti-vaxxers that are not anti-vax for religious or medical reasons seem to ignore the damage these diseases did. I'm just 55 - and when I was a kid, we all knew and played with the kids who survived these diseases with few problems. We still quarentined houses for measles and mumps. As for the other kids who didn't so fare well after getting sick - well, we didn't usually play with them afterwards - they went to special classes, were home-schooled, were institutionalized - or were dead.

I'm sorry for those people who think there is some sort of alternative out there that is "safer", "more efficient", or "more natural" - even if this "government" owned by Big Pharma doesn't want to do the research on it, there are other countries and non-profit organizations with a bias towards real health rather than profits that are doing research into disease control who, so far as I've heard, haven't found anything yet. But, barring sort of underlying immune condition, I have no problems with my grandchild and any future grandchildren being vaccinated.
The risks I experienced as a child with "simple childhood diseases" like scarlet fever, both types of measles, diphtheria, pertussis, mumps due to the few vaccination options were magnitudes greater than any risk vaccination could give them.
I knew too many kids who were permanently damaged by these diseases. I knew of at least four families who lost children to these diseases, not to mention an uncle who never made it out of infancy back in the 1940's due to diphtheria.

Haele

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Kick. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #1
k&r uppityperson Feb 2015 #2
Thanks! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #3
This is bad. It's not fair to conflate people who have life-threatening food allergies with anti-vaxxers. pnwmom Feb 2015 #4
No it's not, and no I didn't. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #5
I read your comment. And yet you posted an ad that linked peanut allergies and anti-vaxxers. pnwmom Feb 2015 #8
Feel free to alert on it if it's so offensive. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #10
point well taken, pnwmom hopemountain Feb 2015 #11
what "ad" are you talking about? What is being advertised? And no uppityperson Feb 2015 #12
You missed the point I was making. pnwmom Feb 2015 #30
The graphic, not ad, compares parents doing things to protect other people's kids. uppityperson Feb 2015 #35
That's ridiculous! gregcrawford Feb 2015 #6
Appreciate the defense, but I'm a she. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #7
OOPS! gregcrawford Feb 2015 #41
You completely missed the point of the OP. winter is coming Feb 2015 #9
No, I get the point. But they linked people with food allergies with anti-vaxxers pnwmom Feb 2015 #16
no, she linked parents of both groups, and responsibilities for others uppityperson Feb 2015 #24
No, they didn't. cab67 Feb 2015 #31
The message is that "community matters" - TBF Feb 2015 #51
Hmm. Kinda how you "link" ecigarettes with unproven public health dangers Widget2000 Feb 2015 #74
You completely missed the point. HappyMe Feb 2015 #13
It was the "my kid" versus "your kid" part that separated kids with peanut allergies pnwmom Feb 2015 #18
Huh? nt RiffRandell Feb 2015 #21
What's so insulting about that? HappyMe Feb 2015 #27
The insult is in linking "your kid" to possible peanut allergies AND to not being vaccinated. pnwmom Feb 2015 #34
You're reading something into this that simply does not exist. obxhead Feb 2015 #42
And just how are non vaccinated children not life-threatening to others??? randr Feb 2015 #47
They are. But parents of children with peanut allergies are not like anti-vaccine people pnwmom Feb 2015 #55
it is comparing 2 situations in which behavior is modified for the safety of someone else's uppityperson Feb 2015 #59
Where did I ever say anything like that about anti-vaxx people? pnwmom Feb 2015 #63
here is the quote in the post I replied to. uppityperson Feb 2015 #65
I have a step daughter who is anti-vaccine randr Feb 2015 #75
How does she justify her anti-vaxx stance? RiffRandell Feb 2015 #78
Mostly thru denial and support of like minded friends. randr Feb 2015 #79
Ugh. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #80
One I saw this morning... Lancero Feb 2015 #14
Uh oh...you're in trouble now! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #15
You don't get it. Still. This is exactly what I was objecting to. THE SAME MOTHER pnwmom Feb 2015 #23
I believe you are reading way too much into it. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #33
It is NONSENSE to think that children with peanut allergies -- a measurable physical condition -- pnwmom Feb 2015 #37
I don't know whether any such statistics exist. winter is coming Feb 2015 #40
Agreed about this particular cartoon. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #36
It's a cartoon. She's a symbolic figure, not a real person. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #43
jeebus jumpin' h Christ. obxhead Feb 2015 #45
Maybe I'm missing something... cwydro Feb 2015 #20
Thank you. You seem to be the first person who understood my point. pnwmom Feb 2015 #25
Yeah, to me that cartoon linked the two together. cwydro Feb 2015 #54
You did obxhead Feb 2015 #71
That it absolutely incorrect. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #70
No. it is comparing parents doing things to protect children other than own. uppityperson Feb 2015 #32
I kinda get it. cwydro Feb 2015 #68
That's good. HappyMe Feb 2015 #29
what about children with auto-immune conditions hopemountain Feb 2015 #17
Not if all kids are vaccinated! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #19
please re-read my post. hopemountain Feb 2015 #22
I know that, which is why children who can get the vaccines should! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #26
What safer alternatives that vaccinating against deadly diseases are there? No long term uppityperson Feb 2015 #28
Children (and adults) with auto-immune conditions are already exempt - haele Feb 2015 #53
Excellent, thoughtful post. nt RiffRandell Feb 2015 #57
Of course not - that is the point TBF Feb 2015 #62
Great cartoon n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #38
The two are totally unrelated and should not be conflated HERVEPA Feb 2015 #39
Doing things, modifying behavior, to protect other kids is the point and holds true for both uppityperson Feb 2015 #44
Fortunately, they aren't being conflated Orrex Feb 2015 #52
As a parent whose daughter is deathly allergic to peanut butter. dilby Feb 2015 #46
Not the same wisechoice Feb 2015 #48
What about kids that are auto-immune or too young? RiffRandell Feb 2015 #49
valid point wisechoice Feb 2015 #73
Some kids can not be vaccinated and sometimes vaccines fail. Should parents protect other's kids by uppityperson Feb 2015 #50
You don't seem to understand the concept of "herd immunity". 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #64
This is stupid. Android3.14 Feb 2015 #56
I know of no schools that operate that way Orrex Feb 2015 #66
My daughter's elementary school operated that way. winter is coming Feb 2015 #69
In Maine, the schools/district will send a letter if a student has an allergy to peanuts Android3.14 Feb 2015 #72
School where I worked had a separate peanut free table HockeyMom Feb 2015 #77
I got it. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #58
Yeah, like the movie Finding Nemo. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #60
Indeed. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #61
My community just got measles cases. Primary school has 24% exemption rate, 0 pb tolerance uppityperson Feb 2015 #67
Are kids with measles allowed to attend school? aikoaiko Feb 2015 #76
That's utter bullshit anyway Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #81
It can. cab67 Feb 2015 #82
No, it can't. There have been double-blind studies that prove it can't. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #84
Can you point me toward them? cab67 Feb 2015 #85
Yeah I'd like to see those too laundry_queen Feb 2015 #86
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