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In reply to the discussion: Tesla Motors Announces A New Home Battery; Living Off The Grid Will Soon Be Status Quo [View all]tblue37
(68,444 posts)68. Well, considering that they have successfully lobbied legislatures to impose
outrageous extra fees on those who get much of their electricity from solar power, I imagine they will find a way to prevent or burden the use of electrical power that the big companies do not supply.
Oklahoma Utilities Hit Homes Using Solar With Extra Fee
Anyone living in Oklahoma planning to power their home using a rooftop solar panel will soon be charged a fee for the right to do that while still being connected to the local power grid.
Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin signed the "solar surcharge" bill into law on Monday, permitting utilities to charge an extra fee to any customer using distributed power generation, such as rooftop solar or a small wind turbine.
Distributed generation is seen in many parts of the country as a way for cities and homeowners to modernize their power system and become more resilient in the face of extreme weather, brought about in part by climate change. Rooftop solar and wind turbines generate clean energy to help to keep homes lights on when the power grid fails.
Oklahoma's new law states that it is aiming to prevent the majority of utility customers from "subsidizing" those with solar panels on their homes who offset the cost of electricity and grid maintenance costs by generating their own power and feeding it onto the grid and receiving credit for the power they generate.
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http://www.weather.com/science/environment/news/oklahoma-alternative-energy-taxes-20140423
Anyone living in Oklahoma planning to power their home using a rooftop solar panel will soon be charged a fee for the right to do that while still being connected to the local power grid.
Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin signed the "solar surcharge" bill into law on Monday, permitting utilities to charge an extra fee to any customer using distributed power generation, such as rooftop solar or a small wind turbine.
Distributed generation is seen in many parts of the country as a way for cities and homeowners to modernize their power system and become more resilient in the face of extreme weather, brought about in part by climate change. Rooftop solar and wind turbines generate clean energy to help to keep homes lights on when the power grid fails.
Oklahoma's new law states that it is aiming to prevent the majority of utility customers from "subsidizing" those with solar panels on their homes who offset the cost of electricity and grid maintenance costs by generating their own power and feeding it onto the grid and receiving credit for the power they generate.
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http://www.weather.com/science/environment/news/oklahoma-alternative-energy-taxes-20140423
ON EDIT: And don't forget, whenever those solar and wind power customers generate more power than they use, they contribute that extra power to the grid, but are not compensated at all for it. They are forced to donate that extra power, and then they get charged extra because they are not paying for power from the grid, since they ended up with more power from their solar or wind generators than they needed to use.
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Tesla Motors Announces A New Home Battery; Living Off The Grid Will Soon Be Status Quo [View all]
KamaAina
Feb 2015
OP
What charging system is the apartment equipped with? / How will you charge the battery? n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2015
#32
As with any home improvement, the cost will be included in the price of the house (or your loss
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#25
We also have a bank of golf cart batteries for our photovoltaics. Problem is, if power goes out
peacebird
Feb 2015
#12
Agree. If your energy source isn't happening, then the batteries are only going to
cbayer
Feb 2015
#13
Yes, fortunately the panel shed snow pretty quickly. We haven't ever even taken the generator
peacebird
Feb 2015
#14
We have solar hot water tank that then flows into a traditional hotwater tank which rarely needs to
peacebird
Feb 2015
#16
This sounds like a pack for those who don't want to build their own. I'd rather build my own...
uponit7771
Feb 2015
#34
Yeap, do the wiring... the balance taps etc... I do that for EDF... not hard just will take longer..
uponit7771
Feb 2015
#44
The price of storage - Musk's LIon packs are expected to be <$100/kwh by 2017
kristopher
Feb 2015
#66
OK, nice article, but why does the link show a picture of a Nissan Leaf 90 KW power pack?
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#24
Keep in mind that weight is not so much a factor for home storage as it is for vehicles.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#109
Home battery packs as an alternative to emergency generators is surely the first step.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#110
I looked at an Escape Energi and a Fusion Energi because they offered Level 2-240 V charging
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#114
Wouldn't the Right Wingnuts love to get off the grid? Do they know what "grid" means? nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#26
But when there's no source (dark, no wind) the costomer has to get from the grid...
uponit7771
Feb 2015
#37
Any battery system is going to have a defined period of time when the charge will be exhausted.
cbayer
Feb 2015
#43
The pack wont last forever you can "potentially" stay of the grid forever... the power source
uponit7771
Feb 2015
#46
One of your neighbors will buy a big field of solar panels and CAT natural gas/diesel and share.
hunter
Feb 2015
#54
I would never have this system without an alternate charing system that involved
cbayer
Feb 2015
#65
How much does the battery reimburse the homeowner for power in excess of household need?
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2015
#47
Our family has a remote vacation cabin for which this would be great...
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2015
#78
So tolls on every road then? Every person pays to sustain an electric company's business model?
KeepItReal
Feb 2015
#82
I think there should be GPS monitors in every vehicle and people should be taxed based on miles
dilby
Feb 2015
#89
So you're proposing a national system where the government tracks every movement of your car?
hughee99
Feb 2015
#92
No it's a solution to the problem of our roads crumbling around us because there is not enough money
dilby
Feb 2015
#94
So your solution to this problem would be a massive invasion of every person's privacy?
hughee99
Feb 2015
#98
I dream of going out to the Mojave desert and living like a desert rat
aint_no_life_nowhere
Feb 2015
#55
Oh HELL yes! Soon as I can afford it anyway. Itd be great right now, ice took out the pwr! nt
7962
Feb 2015
#57
I don't think in all places one can live in non-"hooked up" dwellings. Or at least, not receive
WinkyDink
Feb 2015
#87
And Congress will pass meaningful tax credits to help support this transition, right?
paparush
Feb 2015
#108