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Kelvin Mace

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272. Again, a matter of degree, not substance

Tue Feb 17, 2015, 09:42 PM

Feb 2015

the Democrats have allowed torture and other war crimes to go unpunished. They continued the illegal war on Iraq, gave a pass to the CIA when it illegally spied on everyone from the public to the senate oversight committee investigating them. Wall Street decimated the world economy and not only paid no price, they are setting us up for round two.

As for the Supreme Court, name one justice appointed since Thurgood Marshall that was his ideological equal or to his left? The Dems replaced Marshall with CLARENCE FUCKING THOMAS (and yes, I blame the Dems because they REFUSED to filibuster Thomas which was a "no brainer&quot .

Yes, there is a difference between $40 billion and $8.7 billion in food stamp cuts, unless you are one of the people who still endured the $8.7 billion cut while America's wealthy elite pay a pittance in taxes.

As long as people keep making excuses that "pragmatism" dictates we vote for evil people and policies, we will have evil people and policies.

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Just as being a poor republican makes little sense, I cannot vote for Hillary. [View all] RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 OP

I will likely not vote for her. bigwillq Feb 2015 #1

We don't want a Clinton/Warren ticket. There is no better way to neutralize someone rhett o rick Feb 2015 #248

I would rather see Warren stay in the Senate bigwillq Feb 2015 #250

Not me. I took an oath in 2002. Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #252

A Goldman Sachs/Warren ticket would invalidate Warren forever. L0oniX Feb 2015 #324

Yep! rhett o rick Feb 2015 #343

No way Elizabeth would compromise her principles and agree to run with Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #358

She would have nothing to gain and everything to lose. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #360

+1 Bucket of piss and all that. Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #351

Better to have it Warren/Clinton Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #359

. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #2

+1 MoonRiver Feb 2015 #255

Only you can control your economic future snooper2 Feb 2015 #3

Riiiiiiiight. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #6

that's why 1/4 of americans were unemployed during the depression; they just didn't ND-Dem Feb 2015 #21

amen to that. nicely put. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #135

Yeah! Just start a business!!! Yep! That's the ticket! calimary Feb 2015 #202

Yikes! guillaumeb Feb 2015 #232

Also, it sickens me that for the RW, it really doesn't matter what sort of business you run, or who Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #262

I can see the lemon aid stands popping up all over now. L0oniX Feb 2015 #325

"a chicken in every garage" BlueJazz Feb 2015 #338

ditto marions ghost Feb 2015 #319

........ daleanime Feb 2015 #31

Spoken like a true 3rd wayer. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #44

* L0oniX Feb 2015 #336

Which Koch brother are you? I think you may be on the wrong site. benz380 Feb 2015 #56

... TBF Feb 2015 #67

Please tell me your forgot the Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #68

Thanks for posting this. Rex Feb 2015 #96

thank you, means a lot coming from you LOL, hey, there are a couple RT threads snooper2 Feb 2015 #130

Yes because I am so supportive of RT! Rex Feb 2015 #257

snooper2 told me writing about JFK assassination is same as beating a dead horse. Octafish Feb 2015 #365

Said every conservative ever. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #105

What color is the sky in the world you live in? hifiguy Feb 2015 #209

Me? Shit!. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #249

Sometimes... laundry_queen Feb 2015 #278

WTF? #@*&#*&$*oligarchy boot straps(#&*(@^^^@!* L0oniX Feb 2015 #334

Please tell that to the folks who have had their savings stolen... peace13 Feb 2015 #352

I think you underestimate the power of politicians and those that influence them. nt ohnoyoudidnt Feb 2015 #362

''Geithner foamed the runway for the banks.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #364

just like santa monica mom just cant get vaccinations for their kids Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #4

Not sure why so many Clinton haters just don't see this potential fall out? Sheepshank Feb 2015 #9

thanks i'm very concerned about scotus - all other concerns are secondary for now , to me anyway Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #15

Clinton would appoint who her corporate masters tell her to for SCOTUS. benz380 Feb 2015 #73

Please prove it. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #100

Remember who controlled the Senate when both Scalia and Thomas were confirmed. Fuddnik Feb 2015 #148

But the PRESIDENT nominates the person for Supreme Court nakocal Feb 2015 #270

Roberts and Alito could not have been seated... bvar22 Feb 2015 #240

I thought we were talking about POTUS, and POTUS nomintions for SCOTUS? n/t Sheepshank Feb 2015 #242

Total BS. Why are you on this board- to tout the Republican crapola. olegramps Feb 2015 #205

Not sure why so many Clinton supporters just don't see this potential fall out? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #47

Exactly n/t 99Forever Feb 2015 #64

I'm not a newbie and I "get it." A Simple Game Feb 2015 #97

My "get it" comment was regarding SCOTUS Sheepshank Feb 2015 #103

I know your comment was regarding the Supreme Court, indirectly so is mine. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #265

Even against Bush? Sheepshank Feb 2015 #291

Especially against Jeb. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #305

you are wong wrong wronggity wrong Sheepshank Feb 2015 #307

My mistake, I forgot Hillary won the nomination and general election in 2008. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #311

you are still using personal opinion as if it were fact... in my book that's making up shit Sheepshank Feb 2015 #312

At a year and a half out, my opinion is worth just as much as yours. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #313

Maybe you should direct your question to the Warren and Sanders supporters? After all... George II Feb 2015 #108

Warren has not REPEATEDLY said she was NOT running, A Simple Game Feb 2015 #266

Well.... George II Feb 2015 #268

You may be the only person left to still blame Nader for Gore's loss. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #303

Maybe I'm just the only one who hasn't forgotten about that election and what Nader did... George II Feb 2015 #304

Although I didn't vote for or support Nader, as an American A Simple Game Feb 2015 #306

Well, there are demonstrable advantages to vaccinations. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #10

"Hillary has no demonstrable advantages for me *economically *" but Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #20

Can you tell me some examples of SC influence on macro/micro economics? RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #27

I am gay. The SCOTUS can have a HUGE impact on my economic well being dbackjon Feb 2015 #86

Thank you for reminding me of these important matters. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #190

even more added to the list already supplied to you... Sheepshank Feb 2015 #115

Thank you. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #191

Glad to help out guillaumeb Feb 2015 #157

Thank you. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #192

Wow Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #175

Here are some examples of the Supreme Court's influence on economics. lovemydog Feb 2015 #184

Thank you for this post and the scope of your perspective is informative. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #188

My pleasure. lovemydog Feb 2015 #267

Right AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #32

The Hillary-picked SCOTUS meme is all they got. Wall St. will tell her who to pick. nt benz380 Feb 2015 #82

so much bull in such a short sentence. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #111

scotus is all that matters right now and i dont care who the dem nominee is Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #112

Scotus is not all that matters. Not by a long shot. More bs trade agreements like TPP, more Keystone peacebird Feb 2015 #123

yes we might and it would b better to go there with a scotus that isnt actively against us Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #106

Scotus psychics aspirant Feb 2015 #127

She's not Paul Ryan. jwirr Feb 2015 #80

he would rather have paul ryan becuase hillary might throw corporate america a bone Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #109

A bone? HRC will thrown them the whole damn carcass! Divernan Feb 2015 #119

another seer - so many people can see the future Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #121

Clintons' values/priorities are clear to the tune of $70 million. Divernan Feb 2015 #128

how do you know where that money came from and what it bought Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #132

The Clintons' Web of Wealth-yes indeed, where did it all come from? Divernan Feb 2015 #154

Continued expose-sources of Clintons' ill-gotten millions. Divernan Feb 2015 #158

and when potus is finished he'll do the same circuit just like all the presidents (xcpt for carter) Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #162

NO! Because Michele won't be a potential president herself. Divernan Feb 2015 #169

that doesnt stop ex-presidents from going on the lecture circuit .. Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #173

The Clintons' vortex of wealth comes from parties interested in U.S. policy Divernan Feb 2015 #166

So people are willing to pay to attend his speech so what? olegramps Feb 2015 #212

When corporations pay, it's quid pro quo Divernan Feb 2015 #244

$70 million? Whoa, they didn't stay dead broke for long. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #239

Solidarity isn't a one way street. If the Supreme Court (aka mostly abortion) matters so much TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #35

and if the choice is in the primary for HRC or someone else, go for it onenote Feb 2015 #46

So what are the corporatists going to GIVE for our votes aspirant Feb 2015 #137

"My side"? onenote Feb 2015 #149

The democrats aspirant Feb 2015 #180

You make a lot of assumptions onenote Feb 2015 #201

Your as plain as a blank sheet of paper. aspirant Feb 2015 #227

Here: Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #233

The choice is to elect REAL Democrats to Congress. And that is what people will be doing with their sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #251

Foisting Goldman Sachs on us is the oligarchy's way of insuring an oligarchy win ...either way. L0oniX Feb 2015 #327

Bullshit, a vote for a Republican is a vote for a Republican no other votes are added to their tally TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #287

No we don't want a President Cruz. What you are proposing is a continuation of the 'vote for the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #98

+1 A Little Weird Feb 2015 #131

+1000 JEB Feb 2015 #276

is there a stance she'll refuse to sell out on? a Pub policy she won't push? MisterP Feb 2015 #140

what i saw in november was the most pathetic turnout of any election and Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #145

And that happened because "Vote against the Republicans" doesn't get turnout. jeff47 Feb 2015 #203

then maybe things do need to get really bad so that people will understand that voting, for Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #211

Yea, beat them until morale improves. jeff47 Feb 2015 #220

"Yea, beat them until morale improves." not at all it's 'suffer the consequences of your actions' Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #228

Again, you are talking as if Democrats are entitled to those votes. jeff47 Feb 2015 #234

well you can chose a rocket sled to hell where no one will care what YOU have to say Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #237

Unlike cable news and their painful 24-hour news cycle.... Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #5

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #142

Then you are a tool for the Republican party Egnever Feb 2015 #7

I am a tool of many powerful entities. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #11

Absolutely true Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #42

If you help the GOP win the election onenote Feb 2015 #48

One more time... Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #57

You are assuming equal choices. But that's not the reality of political choices onenote Feb 2015 #72

English, do you speak it? Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #90

Yes I do speak English onenote Feb 2015 #161

It is the lesser of two evils Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #216

My world discerns differences. Yours does not. onenote Feb 2015 #253

Again, a matter of degree, not substance Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #272

True, the people who are hurt by the $8.7 billion in cuts suffered onenote Feb 2015 #273

You offer me a choice akin Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #284

No, I offered you the choice of stopping someone who would harm 4 million onenote Feb 2015 #286

I will run into the building to save children Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #290

No, you'll just allow the folks burning the buildings filled with children to do so onenote Feb 2015 #292

One more time... Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #294

One guy sets a fire to kill people. Another tries to stop it, but to prevent the fire from killing onenote Feb 2015 #298

No. Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #299

No, it is the choice between those that would harm a million and those that would harm 2.3 and TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #347

The 1.3 million that suffer only because you stood on principle onenote Feb 2015 #348

and the one million you guys want to slaughter for shits and giggles don't care if you think it is TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #349

As I said, the ratios are far greater onenote Feb 2015 #350

You aren't saving anyone. Intending to willfully kill less than another TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #353

Keep telling yourself that onenote Feb 2015 #354

No, there is no expectation of awards for not being a willful, rationalizing murderer. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #361

Willful rationalizing murderer is a good description of what you are onenote Feb 2015 #363

Once again a plot to kill less people is not "saving" the ones you don't plan to murder. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #370

I don't know. If I am broke as fuck and feel I have to shop at Wal-mart RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #59

+100. benz380 Feb 2015 #87

So with that same mindset.... Sheepshank Feb 2015 #118

Why aren't the corporaDems accused aspirant Feb 2015 #153

I feel compelled to not vote for President. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #156

NOPE NOT AT ALL Sheepshank Feb 2015 #241

Claiming that HRC is the better choice Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #39

Well said! benz380 Feb 2015 #91

NO!...it's not the same Sheepshank Feb 2015 #120

No, in the long run Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #146

I will vote for the Democratic nominee sharp_stick Feb 2015 #8

well said TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #50

Ouch. My eye! nt silvershadow Feb 2015 #164

Anyone that doesn't have that philosophy has no business infesting this site dbackjon Feb 2015 #89

This is democratic underground fbc Feb 2015 #107

The purists forget what they did in 2000. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #94

What a vote for Vice President "I agree with Governor Bush" and Senator "I stand with John McCain"? TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #295

+1 JoePhilly Feb 2015 #126

+100 MineralMan Feb 2015 #243

Absolutley. great white snark Feb 2015 #256

I've seen no sign that Hillary wants to cut SSI. Many republicans have made it clear pampango Feb 2015 #12

There are so many dynamics at play that I have to resort to pattern-seeking. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #24

So, Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #52

Neither have I seen any sign that Hillary will "probably only let the wolves eat a few of your pampango Feb 2015 #55

Her policy is Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #61

Yup.Gays in the military don't cost the One Percent anything. Divernan Feb 2015 #133

This is why the Kochs Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #150

So you would rather see a republican in the office demigoddess Feb 2015 #13

If it's unacceptable to you to have a repub in office aspirant Feb 2015 #165

When you have a Republican House of Representatives, demigoddess Feb 2015 #317

Scott Walker and the Koch Brothers thank you for your support! FSogol Feb 2015 #14

I am fairly certain they are thankful for Hillary's "inevitability" RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #17

I doubt it. Why would they spend 1 billion to defeat her if they want her to win? FSogol Feb 2015 #25

Do I believe other powerful multimillionaires will vote for Hillary? RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #30

Because they win no matter who is elected between HRC and any conservative Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #66

If that were true, they wouldn't have to spend a penny on elections. They are fighting hard and FSogol Feb 2015 #69

You very much underestimate their Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #71

No, I completely understand it. No matter what happens, they will still be rich. FSogol Feb 2015 #85

In order for them to get richer Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #102

A billion is chump pocket change for them. L0oniX Feb 2015 #329

Yea ...it's either we support them or Goldman Sachs. L0oniX Feb 2015 #328

Good luck to you. n/t Orsino Feb 2015 #16

Thanks. Things are tough and I am balanced on a blade RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #19

While I think you should vote for the better candidate, or for the lesser evil... Orsino Feb 2015 #23

Good luck finding someone to vote for... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #18

I know. It is so goddamm frustrating. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #22

Or, highly successful people with good ideas. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #26

Yeah! Sure! Totally! RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #28

So you disagree that Warren and Sanders Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #36

I disagree that it is merely that simple. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #45

I have to tell you, I know lots of rich people, lots of poor people, plenty in the middle and I do Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #60

It is a prejudice and it is unfair. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #74

Could You Please Point Me To Your Reference? ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #172

I believe these are the sources I used. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #179

Thanks Doc! ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #219

I am not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton Bettie Feb 2015 #29

I have reached the age of moral outrage, I guess. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #38

I get that Bettie Feb 2015 #254

When your decision is based on one person instead of an idea, you lose. And will always lose. randome Feb 2015 #33

I'm sorry if I implied perfection. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #41

Trust me, that poster knows what you meant. Rex Feb 2015 #258

Once, I thought I'd hold my nose and do it if she was the nominee; now, not sure closeupready Feb 2015 #34

Cutting off your nose to spite your face. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #37

I am tired of the threats. The money-grubbers serve the grubbers. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #40

And she will do for the American poor what she did for Walmart's working poor - closeupready Feb 2015 #51

'Ineffective' is better than 'destructive', which is what Republicans would bring. randome Feb 2015 #58

"build up an alternate candidate" RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #181

Tough. Find another Dem candidate then. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #53

it's ridiculous isnt it "hillary might do something i dont like so im gonna let the cons have it " Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #155

The Clinton administration's policies saved my life as a child living in poverty. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #43

MISOGYNY! HILLARY IS NOT BILL, SHE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTS! TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #344

I will vote for that candidate who best represents my views. Maedhros Feb 2015 #49

As the parent of a severely disabled daughter and one who has advocated for her group for years jwirr Feb 2015 #54

As I mentioned upthread, there are so many dynamics at play. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #63

Admittedly, if one defines one's politics entirely by "me me me" your position makes sense onenote Feb 2015 #83

I feel comfortable that my situation is common enough to earn the rhetorical "I, me, my" RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #93

The "me me me" is indicative of probably the majority of people in the country. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #310

Same here. I refuse to participate LittleBlue Feb 2015 #62

Those who will die from lack of medical care and food stamps etc. onenote Feb 2015 #76

Our Democratic president cut $8.7 Billion in food stamp assistance. RiverLover Feb 2015 #116

Thus proving the point, although not the one you think you are making onenote Feb 2015 #177

"I refuse to participate Doc Holliday Feb 2015 #143

Well alrighty, then....nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #65

Since she is a registered Democrat and served as a Democratic Senator. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #70

Yes, they are unacceptable to me. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #84

And if Richard Nixon had John Kennedy's money he would have taken a bath in it. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #151

The rules of the Democratic Party are explicit. If you register, you are a Democrat. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #208

Sir, tiredtoo Feb 2015 #75

Radiation does not have to keep it up donnasgirl Feb 2015 #114

Yes I know that tiredtoo Feb 2015 #134

Simply put NO donnasgirl Feb 2015 #138

well then we are in agreement tiredtoo Feb 2015 #141

I do not think we are in agreement when it comes to Hillary donnasgirl Feb 2015 #160

Excellent article Divernan Feb 2015 #247

Hate to burst your bubble young lady but tiredtoo Feb 2015 #224

Yes, yes. I'm very sure. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #167

Brilliant, and obviously you don't realize there is a difference between republican still_one Feb 2015 #77

So what are you going to give us for our votes? aspirant Feb 2015 #215

Vote for whoever you want, I don't care, I told you the SC is at stake, but for those still_one Feb 2015 #230

The more I hear about Hillary the less I want to vote for her. Kablooie Feb 2015 #78

That's the whole idea. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #92

Clintons have handed out $70 million in corporate IOU's Divernan Feb 2015 #122

I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but I will work for and support her, if she is our nominee. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #79

A new facebook page, just today -Be a Progreesive Hammer not Hillary's nail RiverLover Feb 2015 #81

Yeah, sure, that will solve it...not NotHardly Feb 2015 #88

Some people like to think long and hard. Some people like to have extended conversations. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #95

You have to be a guy DownriverDem Feb 2015 #99

So, other than spouting platitudes, what are the specific Clinton economic policies you object to? brooklynite Feb 2015 #101

You really shouldn't confuse the poor fella with facts./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #104

Those aren't policies, obviously, they are positions and votes. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #163

This is actually a very powerful meme salib Feb 2015 #110

Perhaps if you want to keep it going you can respond to my #101 brooklynite Feb 2015 #113

Why are you interrupting his "very powerful meme"? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #125

Yep, this is a powerful one alright. salib Feb 2015 #222

BTW, that eliminates the entire Repug field, so this is not about voting for one of those thieves. salib Feb 2015 #223

You are never voting for one person. You are voting for a candidate's team. randome Feb 2015 #117

You mean like Obama's "Team of Opposites": bvar22 Feb 2015 #259

Thank you for pointing this out. It's the appointments and the policies, not the D or the R. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #296

Why is it "safe to say"? It isn't true now, Obama's "team" stinks like shit. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #281

Obama's picks stank from day one. L0oniX Feb 2015 #330

Hillary isn't my first, second, third, or fourth choice, but... Omaha Steve Feb 2015 #124

The place to battle Clinton is in the primaries davekriss Feb 2015 #129

Papa Paul Whores work is never done! Cryptoad Feb 2015 #136

If Hillary is our nominee, I will most definitely vote for her. The alternative is not acceptable secondwind Feb 2015 #139

If she is the nominee I will vote for her. indivisibleman Feb 2015 #144

Humans like all apes exist in a hierarchal alpha social structure. gordianot Feb 2015 #147

Maybe it is in our DNA. I don't know. I have a hypothesis though: RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #170

Humans always have and will seek an advantage for survival no matter where on the human heirarchy. gordianot Feb 2015 #193

It just seems to me - and who can know - that "97%" (to be optimistic) RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #195

I compare it to the High School Football player who thinks he will make it to the NFL. gordianot Feb 2015 #225

Well Thanks 4 Handing Over The Presidency To Republicans Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #152

Meh. I don't even know you. Block me. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #187

A non vote supports both parties? That's BS... Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #300

I just have nothing more to add. I will re-emphasize that for my family, time is crucial. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #308

I Know What Your Going Thru, I Am Homeless... Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #318

Good luck to you and I hope you feel peaceful. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #321

There's a difference between can't and won't. I'm in the won't camp. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #159

you wont hold your nose for the lesser of 2 evils so youll just hand it over to the ... jeez Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #168

If one abstains from voting for Pres, they support all candidates equally. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #171

but that is what it does, non-voting is not a victim-less act - we need your vote to nullify Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #178

But I am also not nullifying a dem vote by voting repub. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #183

ok charles or is it david? Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #186

You can click the link in my signature RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #196

If you need my vote then act like it. I'm convincable, what do I get in return? TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #288

I think you highly overestimate the influence of my one vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #176

well those are some pretty sentiments and youre correct the koch bros werent there then but Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #182

I've voted in 13 presidential elections. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #194

every vote counts and every election is important - too bad more people dont get that Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #235

Maybe, you're right. So, I don't waste it on politicians that I don't agree with. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #238

I'm with you. It is up to the extremists on the right of our party to rejoin the silvershadow Feb 2015 #174

if abstentionists are to blame for a winning GOPper's policies, are Hillary all on the hook MisterP Feb 2015 #185

thank you all, purity democrats for electing a REPUBLICAN. i am sure you sole is a-ok. USA? pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #189

If I abstain from voting, I "elect" both candidates equally. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #197

Goldman Sachs 2016 L0oniX Feb 2015 #331

Then you have effectively voted for a Republican. olegramps Feb 2015 #198

I don't subscribe to the false equivalency that a non-vote equals a vote for one's "enemy". RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #206

You do realize that in a nutshell we are a 2 party system in this country LynneSin Feb 2015 #221

Reasonable point of view. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #199

HRC outside Feb 2015 #200

I'm afraid you are correct. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #297

Oh there is always a reason for both parties to move to the right, that is change you can depend on TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #345

I've heard and know a lot of democratic voters who say they won't vote for Hillary abelenkpe Feb 2015 #204

Any possibility for positive change is better than the hopeless, stinking hell of republicans. Zorra Feb 2015 #207

While we don't know who will run for or win the nomination BainsBane Feb 2015 #210

Does the DU actually represent the average Democrat. olegramps Feb 2015 #236

Yup - the representative level. lovemydog Feb 2015 #269

I have an E-book version of it and was planning to read it davidpdx Feb 2015 #356

Thanks for nothing, since that's what you'll be doing. WhiteTara Feb 2015 #213

So you are saying IF Hillary gets the nomination you'd be ok with one of those Dimwit GOP as Prez? LynneSin Feb 2015 #214

Gore lost Florida by 500 votes (arguably) lobodons Feb 2015 #217

That should never be forgotton there needs to be campaign ads reflecting that fact. gordianot Feb 2015 #229

LOL - you didn't see Fahrenheit 911. closeupready Feb 2015 #231

Frame this... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #218

So civil rights aren't your thing. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #226

I expect to vote against Hillary in the primary and against the Republican in the general. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #245

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #246

The koch bros and the walton heirs salute you OP workinclasszero Feb 2015 #260

Your selfishness will hurt others. great white snark Feb 2015 #261

I felt the same way when I voted for Nader hollowdweller Feb 2015 #263

It would be irresponsible of me not to keep this and the USSC conversation in my mind as I choose. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #271

I'll vote for her against the R opposition, but I really wish we had a better candidate. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #264

You don't vote we loose. glinda Feb 2015 #274

But if we do vote for her, and we win, we still lose. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #275

The worst dem better than the best GOP, get it yet?? Clueless! nt Logical Feb 2015 #302

Yes. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #309

I also will not vote for hillary and will campaign for her to lose the primary.... Logical Feb 2015 #314

I misunderstood. I apologize. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #315

No problem. Wish we could hang out election day! :-) Logical Feb 2015 #316

Stay off in that corner of negativity treestar Feb 2015 #367

Kissenger/Summers 2016 JEB Feb 2015 #277

LMFAO L0oniX Feb 2015 #332

I think the big money who finance the candidates betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #279

supreme court. it will be an easy vote. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #280

The SCOTUS alone is too much reason to rule out ANY candidate with a D behind the name. Amimnoch Feb 2015 #282

Those poor Republicans would do better voting for Democrats. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #283

Your vote is your voice. Use it as your conscience dictates. Autumn Feb 2015 #285

Just wondering.... Stellar Feb 2015 #289

Kicked and recommended! This is it, "a very short clock in terms of remediation." Enthusiast Feb 2015 #293

Well, i hate her and hope she loses in primarys, but will vote for her! nt Logical Feb 2015 #301

Sounds like puma to me. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #320

ok, don't, are you trying to sway others? Ha!! Pisces Feb 2015 #322

I was just explaining my own feelings and perspectives. I felt they are probably common enough RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #323

only here at DU, not with most progressives or Democrats who will vote for whoever the Democratic still_one Feb 2015 #326

They'll grab the democratic life preserver in in '16 when push comes to shove. I'm not worried about Pisces Feb 2015 #342

You sound like the Mob, ferfuxsake. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #346

This is the slogan to those who feel like you. Others will be motivated for Clinton. Good luck to Pisces Feb 2015 #355

Everyone has an agenda. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #357

Not voting is exactly what republicans want liberal N proud Feb 2015 #333

this bullshit meme again? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #335

from now on I will only vote for perfect politicians guillaumeb Feb 2015 #337

I did not mean for this thread to re-surface. I responded to a post and didn't realize. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #340

Some people are so relentless negative treestar Feb 2015 #368

"Some people like cupcakes better; I for one care less for them" RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #371

I don't have an issue with your choice, but my bet is you change your mind and vote for her. Township75 Feb 2015 #339

And they will always blame the "left" Ramses Feb 2015 #341

FDR would have been out too treestar Feb 2015 #366

FDR campaigned on transference of (some) power to (some) people. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #369