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In reply to the discussion: How many DUers are old enough to have experienced our bad losses? [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)156. The OP is wrong about at least half of the timeline offered
How many DUers are old enough to remember the terrible defeat by Nixon in '68? This was the only time I recall a third party taking electoral votes. - Hubert Humphrey was saddled with Johnson's Vietnam War, an unpopular war cooked up by the Cold War Democratic hawks of whom Hillary Clinton is the spiritual successor. Nixon made a plausible public case for change, while secretly undermining Johnson's back channel peace efforts with North Vietnam - a treasonous action that the Reagan-Bush campaign would repeat with Iran, and Boehner is now committing with Netanyahu.
Who is old enough to NEVER forget the horrible defeat of McGovern by Nixon in '72? That was a landslide that made me afraid to ever admit I was a Democrat in my local school. I campaigned for McGovern, as I have for every Democratic candidate since, and I am proud of it. Nixon was able to crush McGovern largely because the corporate media served as his organ, being afraid to expose or counter the Republican Administration's lies, race-baiting and dirty tricks until after the '72 election was over.
Who remembers the beautiful win by the moderate peanut farmer in '76? Or his crushing defeat at the hands of a B-movie actor in '80 because of a challenge from the left in the primaries? Carter's policies were not that different from Teddy Kennedy's. He was elected by a united Democratic Party, despite the inroads into the moderate-center vote of third-party candidate, John Anderson. The '80 election was held hostage by the major media's obsessions with the Iran hostages, and by the phony "Iranian oil shortage" which saw crude oil supplies on hand in the U.S. actually higher than the year before. The oil companies had shut down much of the country's refineries and were withholding retail deliveries, driving up prices and creating a political crisis for Carter, who took some bad advise (from center-right aides, such as Sec. Schlessinger) and didn't impose available federal emergency powers to force the companies to move sufficient refined product to retailers. Again, the major media did it's part to whip up public hysteria and hoarding behavior.
Who remembers what is possibly the worst landslide suffered by post-war Democrats in '84? Mondale was a bland, centrist candidate (by standards of the day) and a poor campaigner. The Democratic Party was sinking into a funk and losing its commitment to New Deal liberalism. The base was uninspired. 2016 could see a repeat of that malaise.
Or the horrible landslide against Dukakis in '88? Dukakis was a worse campaigner who couldn't effectively communicate and suffered from a staff who couldn't keep him focused.
Then we won with Clinton, who took a different tack. Bill Clinton won largely because Bush, Sr. was a terrible, patrician campaigner who made people's hair stand up on the back of their necks. That includes red necks who instinctively distrusted him. Clinton had genuine populist personal appeal, which counted for more of his popularity in the South than policy differences.
We nearly won with Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 taking the same tack. The legitimacy of the 2000 election is in doubt, and the GOP again got away with dirty tricks in FL. Kerry suffered from the same patrician bearing as Bush, Sr, and lacked populist appeal.
Then Barack Obama won in 2008 and 2012. Barack Obama was the progressive left candidate. He won two elections. Hillary was and is the candidate of the hawkish, establishment-centrist right. She went on to preside over a State Department which in concert with the CIA (along with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and France) that systematically regime changed most of the Mideast, leading to the morphing of al-Qaeda into a Sunni regional militia we know today as ISIS. Obama ended up firing CIA Director Petraeus and graciously accepting Secretary Clinton's resignation.
Who is old enough to NEVER forget the horrible defeat of McGovern by Nixon in '72? That was a landslide that made me afraid to ever admit I was a Democrat in my local school. I campaigned for McGovern, as I have for every Democratic candidate since, and I am proud of it. Nixon was able to crush McGovern largely because the corporate media served as his organ, being afraid to expose or counter the Republican Administration's lies, race-baiting and dirty tricks until after the '72 election was over.
Who remembers the beautiful win by the moderate peanut farmer in '76? Or his crushing defeat at the hands of a B-movie actor in '80 because of a challenge from the left in the primaries? Carter's policies were not that different from Teddy Kennedy's. He was elected by a united Democratic Party, despite the inroads into the moderate-center vote of third-party candidate, John Anderson. The '80 election was held hostage by the major media's obsessions with the Iran hostages, and by the phony "Iranian oil shortage" which saw crude oil supplies on hand in the U.S. actually higher than the year before. The oil companies had shut down much of the country's refineries and were withholding retail deliveries, driving up prices and creating a political crisis for Carter, who took some bad advise (from center-right aides, such as Sec. Schlessinger) and didn't impose available federal emergency powers to force the companies to move sufficient refined product to retailers. Again, the major media did it's part to whip up public hysteria and hoarding behavior.
Who remembers what is possibly the worst landslide suffered by post-war Democrats in '84? Mondale was a bland, centrist candidate (by standards of the day) and a poor campaigner. The Democratic Party was sinking into a funk and losing its commitment to New Deal liberalism. The base was uninspired. 2016 could see a repeat of that malaise.
Or the horrible landslide against Dukakis in '88? Dukakis was a worse campaigner who couldn't effectively communicate and suffered from a staff who couldn't keep him focused.
Then we won with Clinton, who took a different tack. Bill Clinton won largely because Bush, Sr. was a terrible, patrician campaigner who made people's hair stand up on the back of their necks. That includes red necks who instinctively distrusted him. Clinton had genuine populist personal appeal, which counted for more of his popularity in the South than policy differences.
We nearly won with Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 taking the same tack. The legitimacy of the 2000 election is in doubt, and the GOP again got away with dirty tricks in FL. Kerry suffered from the same patrician bearing as Bush, Sr, and lacked populist appeal.
Then Barack Obama won in 2008 and 2012. Barack Obama was the progressive left candidate. He won two elections. Hillary was and is the candidate of the hawkish, establishment-centrist right. She went on to preside over a State Department which in concert with the CIA (along with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and France) that systematically regime changed most of the Mideast, leading to the morphing of al-Qaeda into a Sunni regional militia we know today as ISIS. Obama ended up firing CIA Director Petraeus and graciously accepting Secretary Clinton's resignation.
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"but the centrists did when we ran progressives" = +100. Not only abandoned, but sabotaged.
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#192
Agreed. I am old enough to remember that also. And I go further back. We nominated Jimmy
jwirr
Feb 2015
#210
Mike Royko, a columnist in Chicago, called him Governor Moonbeam. It was sick, but it was all over
Hekate
Feb 2015
#108
Like I said, I liked his columns. They appeared in some paper where I was living in college...
Hekate
Feb 2015
#216
Both Jerry Brown and Bill Clinton are borderline geniuses in their own right and
randys1
Feb 2015
#203
The trouble is that "have to adopt some of it" only lasts up until inauguration.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#206
Because it fits the narrative they are trying to spin and their ideology.
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#148
Also true. But Perot was popular because the economy was terrible and had been terrible
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#121
So we elected a Clinton and Perot's prediction proved true. I don't want to make that mistake
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#204
The arguments don't square. Two of the oldest elections involved the first times we had serious
newthinking
Feb 2015
#122
Jerry Brown has turned California around. When he was elected, the nation was laughing at our
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#92
Ya. Ricky Ray Rector executed. Don't Ask Don't Tell and NAFTA. Just fucking hilarious.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#18
Eugene McCarthy had pretty well been reduced to Harold Stassen status by '92
Algernon Moncrieff
Feb 2015
#161
Gods, do I remember. But it's kind of like being able to remember polio and measles around here...
Hekate
Feb 2015
#9
The only way to alter the two party system is to amend the constitution to end the electoral college
MohRokTah
Feb 2015
#14
It's especially difficult when we mock attempts by the states to call a Constitutional Convention.
Bonobo
Feb 2015
#26
Not a tough call with the number of state legislatures in the hands of theocratic GOP.
longship
Feb 2015
#79
I think the Constitution needs to be modernized, but there are no set procedures for it
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2015
#113
"because of a challenge from the left in the primaries" - is horseshit.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#21
Oh, don't mention historical facts that fairly convincingly challenge the OP's premise.
Hissyspit
Feb 2015
#240
Anyone who talks about the 1980 race without mentioning "Iran", "hostage crisis", and...
JHB
Feb 2015
#230
I was just commenting on the better times as opposed to our losses.....kind of a positive spin.
GP6971
Feb 2015
#71
LBJ had signed the Civil Rights Act and had gotten us deeper into the Viet Nam War.
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#100
LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. The South has voted against Democrats for the most part since
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#102
But I doubt that Hillary will be viewed as having much that is Southern in her background.
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#135
It's been more than 20 years since Hillary had any visible connection to the state
Art_from_Ark
Feb 2015
#136
Some of us can remember the way Nixon sabotaged the Paris peace talks to win the election
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#25
How about Ronnie with the Iran hostage issue? I firmly believe treason doesn't apply
GP6971
Feb 2015
#42
I remember, "Don't change Dicks in the middle of the Screw. Vote for Nixon in '72."
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2015
#29
He had a Democratic Congress and a packed Supreme Court. The rules have now been changed
pnwmom
Feb 2015
#77
Personality is also a factor. And Hillary does not have a winning personality. Bill did. Hillary
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#104
Mondale and Dukakis were extreme (in what way?) but Reagan and Junior Bush are moderate men of the
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#151
+1. There seems to be some collection amnesia going around about what
winter is coming
Feb 2015
#267
The Party flushed McGovern down the toilet is the actual story. And the rest weren't
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#97
I first heard that stale Third Way talking point ("too liberal") from jiacinto
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2015
#117
Last November Oregon had 70% turnout, Democratic victory, the midterm before that, 2010 we
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#170
These are an over simplification of how politics works. Most of the liberals you mentioned lost
craigmatic
Feb 2015
#60
Marriage equality happened/is happening at the state level and in the courts.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2015
#62
what common tack do you see in those losses? liberal left-wingdom? carter? dukakis?
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#87
Carter didn't lose because of a "challenge from the left in the primaries"
Art_from_Ark
Feb 2015
#105
You mean the way that Mondale and Dukakis ran cringeworthy bad campaigns?
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2015
#106
Think you're implying the wrong lessons to be learned from your examples
lexington filly
Feb 2015
#111
Hillary fans have nothing but dishonest sales pitches about why we should move to the right. /nt
Marr
Feb 2015
#124
Sure, we can go ahead and forget the assassination of RFK, Nixon's Vietnam talk sabotage,
villager
Feb 2015
#129
When you look back the only election we lost that we should have won is 00.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#164
Now, THAT is fucking awesome! The liberal left has been responsible for ALL losses! Well done!
djean111
Feb 2015
#159
Nowadays the bashing comes from the Third Way, which has successfully taken over the Democratic
djean111
Feb 2015
#179
I think those who are to the left of Thrid Way are making a huge error by constantly monitizing and
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#183
You give me marriage equality? Please stop that bullshit. Marriage equality is a result of hard
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#167
So, MohRokTah - on which issues specifically do you suggest we "find common ground"
bullwinkle428
Feb 2015
#168
Do you think Muskie would have been able to beat Nixon? I've asked this question before, but never
Chathamization
Feb 2015
#186
"'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." - Alfred Lord Tennyson
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2015
#190
Typical of today's DU, an OP bashing "the left" and full of distortions gets over 50 recs...
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#198
At least they were pretty quiet about it. Because the OP was thoroughly debunked in many posts.
ieoeja
Feb 2015
#239
"That was a landslide that made me afraid to ever admit I was a Democrat in my local school."
KamaAina
Feb 2015
#213
I would say that Barack Obama is certainly the most liberal president since 1960.
MohRokTah
Feb 2015
#228
"pretend their decimation of the party over the last 2 decades never happened" = indeed.
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#259
yes, and I'm old enough to remember when there were liberal Republicans
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2015
#270