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13. I was thinking of you as I read it

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Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:04 AM

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For the Marxists and Socialists at DU - Happy Tuesday - a most thoughtful read [View all] malaise Feb 2015 OP

The problem with this view......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #1

That is a self destructive plan though - the bit about cutting wages and benefits for workers el_bryanto Feb 2015 #2

No it's definitely NOT a good plan, but it IS capitalism..... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #3

That's why you need a well regulated capitalism el_bryanto Feb 2015 #4

And now we come to the crux of the matter......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #7

Well - I agree we are up against a wall, but it's a wall created by the myopia of capitalism el_bryanto Feb 2015 #8

Well ideally we can learn from our mistakes AND....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #11

Even with all the interference and obstruction from the capitalist sector(s), the USSR still KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #16

KingCharlemagne Diclotican Feb 2015 #20

That was a profound observation malaise Feb 2015 #46

It's tricky moving from a command economy to a more true socialism el_bryanto Feb 2015 #17

sorry to say but DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #34

"And I haven't seen much evidence of a working alternate system" TBF Feb 2015 #18

I think a well managed capitalism works. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #19

I think in saying that you ignore everyone it HASN'T worked for. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #22

It works for the owners - TBF Feb 2015 #25

It would be easier just to get rid of this flawed system all together malaise Feb 2015 #10

I knew you would agree malaise........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #12

I was thinking of you as I read it malaise Feb 2015 #13

Nice to be thought of comrade..... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #42

And replace it with what? Adrahil Feb 2015 #50

"capitalism CANNOT BE "STABILIZED" WITHOUT MASSIVE HARM TO THE WORKING CLASS." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #5

It's sorta like trying to "stabilize" or maybe "regulate" a cancer. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #51

Good point and NICELY said Jack...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #53

Can you outline those changes? Adrahil Feb 2015 #55

I don't know about Jackpine, but I have some ideas....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #66

There is a basic point about Capitalism that everyone seems to miss. Stonepounder Feb 2015 #6

My post #3 addresses this..... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #9

"If you can make 1 unit of profit on selling a widget and 3 units of profit trading paper... Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #14

Well, that's the point though. NO one moves into the widget market...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #68

If you can make 1 unit of profit on selling a widget and 3 units of profit trading paper, the laws o DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #35

Then the party needs to say that the people need food, clothing, shelter..... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #69

not quite DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #71

Quite right. These people need to read Keynes. Smart guy. Knew a thing or two. n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #56

I think they understand it very well. It's the people who don't understand. Capitalism is just ND-Dem Feb 2015 #79

Thanks for a very thoughtful read. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #15

And we're all still reaping the madness of Reagan and Thatcher malaise Feb 2015 #38

malaise Diclotican Feb 2015 #21

Well said. nt. Yorktown Feb 2015 #24

Look when it appeared to be working it was at the expense of minorities malaise Feb 2015 #26

malaise Diclotican Feb 2015 #28

THoughtful post - I hope you're right malaise Feb 2015 #36

malaise Diclotican Feb 2015 #40

That will be true for as long as Obama remains President malaise Feb 2015 #41

malaise Diclotican Feb 2015 #70

You are correct. nt bemildred Feb 2015 #63

Radicalism is a dead end. Controlled Capitalism is th way to go. Yorktown Feb 2015 #23

I think the best thinker on this subject is Ellen Meiksins Wood malaise Feb 2015 #27

Greece is in an economic and poitical meltdown Yorktown Feb 2015 #60

Over 90% of the funds to "bailout" Greece went to the banks.... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #65

Your point banks did not lose is wrong. Yorktown Feb 2015 #72

Giving you that your assertions are correct ........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #77

I will ask you the same question I asked the other capitalist TBF Feb 2015 #31

+1,000 malaise Feb 2015 #37

Speaking about addressing the GINI....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #49

Yup; still wanna talk Yorktown Feb 2015 #61

Cuba has done pretty well for a little island TBF Feb 2015 #64

Cuba and Venezuela are disasters Yorktown Feb 2015 #73

Thanks for that stunning assessment Eugene TBF Feb 2015 #74

ROFL, thanks for the laughs. Have some data. Yorktown Feb 2015 #75

Your "data" consists of pointing out profits of the owners - TBF Feb 2015 #76

facts prove Castro and Chavez were bad leaders Yorktown Feb 2015 #78

I'm really not statist so it's not TBF Feb 2015 #82

We probably have lots of common ground, but not the Paris Commune Yorktown Feb 2015 #83

lol re Paris Commune TBF Feb 2015 #84

Thanks, I was looking for that. bemildred Feb 2015 #29

You're welcome malaise Feb 2015 #30

And I can see I agree already. bemildred Feb 2015 #32

Yeah, I like this guy. bemildred Feb 2015 #43

That sectionabout having to check his own sense of entitlement and worth malaise Feb 2015 #45

KnR Excellent Discussion 2banon Feb 2015 #33

I don't think I'll be around for the change either malaise Feb 2015 #39

I was actually cheering on the collapse in 2008. 2banon Feb 2015 #57

I usually bring up the Venus Project - TBF Feb 2015 #44

Thanks.. 2banon Feb 2015 #58

imo fresco's resume reads more like some kind of intelligence asset than anything else. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #80

Very astute comment - TBF Feb 2015 #81

How is the regulated capitalism v. letting it collapse econ talk related to the EU's collapse? ancianita Feb 2015 #47

Erratic response to an erratic Marxist?...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #48

... ancianita Feb 2015 #52

That's what he called himself...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2015 #54

Okay, didn't know. But he's also too abstract to inform about an alleged imminent EU collapse. ancianita Feb 2015 #59

Is Gramsci neo-Marxist? n/t malaise Feb 2015 #62

Gramsci wasn't trepidatiously writing in the context of an EU collapse. ancianita Feb 2015 #67