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75. We had a policy of Torture! We had top government officials writing 'torture memos'.

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:22 PM

Feb 2015

There are videos of some of the results of our policies of torture, that the public still has not seen. We know why, as a few members of Congress were allowed to view those horrific videos and a few of them were horrified. One, surprisingly was Lindsey Graham, who after viewing them told Cheney publicly 'Mr. VP, please allow us to do our job here, we are talking about rape, sodomy, murder'. His face was white, he was visibly angry airc.

However, he has been silent since then so no doubt he was instructed to remain so, or had our policies 'explained'.

White Phospherous was used on civilians in Fallujah, I saw the photos, horrible. The military confirmed its use.

War is brutal, which is why we should not engage in war unless we are in danger ourselves. I can't think of any our wars, since WW11 that was fought for anything other than other people's resources.

All I'm saying is, we are not in any position right now to be the moral arbiters of the world. Not until we start prosecuting our own war criminals.

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If your country was attacked, would you assist in ... [View all] 11 Bravo Feb 2015 OP

"not done indiscriminately" trumad Feb 2015 #1

I actually pondered the use of that word. But I honestly believe ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #6

I hear you... trumad Feb 2015 #8

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. They were never a threat to us. So what would you call sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #12

I am also haunted by the incidences you recount. 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #20

Soldiers aren't diplomats... Blanks Feb 2015 #35

We had a policy of Torture! We had top government officials writing 'torture memos'. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #75

Well, Dresden and Tokyo come to mind . . . nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #23

Not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. arcane1 Feb 2015 #28

And that's why we declared war on Japan and Germany, correct? 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #33

And where the fuck did I say that? arcane1 Feb 2015 #41

Perhaps, but the art of dog whistles and code words to insinuate without actually coming out Telcontar Feb 2015 #66

Can't see the basis for that belief Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #76

I think there is a difference between deaths of civilians killed accidentally or.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #25

Not to the dead. BB1 Feb 2015 #60

i don't disagree. But more than the dead are involved. n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #74

If they were doing to us what we are doing to them, yes. Yes I would NightWatcher Feb 2015 #2

I appreciate your honesty. I myself would not act ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #29

While it's not policy, it happens NightWatcher Feb 2015 #34

You're forgetting that ISIS are the invaders. This is not an indigenous group. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #3

What you said........ WillowTree Feb 2015 #27

No, I wouldn't dissentient Feb 2015 #4

"Innocent civilians have perished at our hands, way too many of them. But it was not done indiscrimi uppityperson Feb 2015 #5

The problem I have with that line is--- trumad Feb 2015 #7

Yup, I was thinking only recently but indeed, that is a good example uppityperson Feb 2015 #9

I must admit, I did not think of our genocidal policy ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #10

Perpetrators of deliberate murder should be tried and punished. Adrahil Feb 2015 #26

It depends Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #11

If given a choice between the GOP and ISIS I have reservations on how some might choose. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #15

I hope you're just being hyperbolic leftynyc Feb 2015 #37

Doubtful, but failing to help might get you beheaded and burned alive Lurks Often Feb 2015 #13

Interesting OP/thread. H2O Man Feb 2015 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Smarmie Doofus Feb 2015 #16

The European nations of the 18th century has very little good to say of the doctrines... LanternWaste Feb 2015 #17

Laudable OP, but assumes people can or would be consistent. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #18

And that's what troubles me about being on the left of ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #21

Yes the dead care so much if it was a rogue hellfire missile at a wedding Rex Feb 2015 #19

Screw that Egnever Feb 2015 #22

For what it's worth, H2O Man Feb 2015 #32

For what it is worth, I don't hope to die. Period. Rex Feb 2015 #38

I'm thinking that H2O Man Feb 2015 #44

So you could die happier knowing your entire family and your almost wives family Rex Feb 2015 #36

No, I agree it is a false equivalence treestar Feb 2015 #24

Really? We're not that savage? atreides1 Feb 2015 #79

He's the one you are going there with? treestar Feb 2015 #81

Not indiscriminately? My lai? Dresden? Tokyo? Haiphong? Hanoi? Fallujah? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #30

As soon as ISIL tries anyone for a war crime you can invoke My Lai. 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #39

He went from life sentence, to 3 years of house arrest to Rex Feb 2015 #42

Under the UCMJ, you know, those evil indiscriminate murderers ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #49

Childish garbage is thinking A = B without any proof. Rex Feb 2015 #51

Yeah, I've just been hanging out for 13 years as a contributing member ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #56

Oh so now you fall back on old timer status blah blah. Rex Feb 2015 #57

I've referred you to the OP several times. You either can't understand it ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #63

Yeah telling people that if they disagree with you, then they need to admit they agree with ISIS Rex Feb 2015 #65

OK, I was gone, but I'll come back one last time. 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #70

Wait, you came back? Nah, then that would mean you were lying about not replying. Not you. Rex Feb 2015 #72

I agree with you Telcontar Feb 2015 #68

If you require further confirmation, check the post above yours. 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #73

It's a deliberate attempt to invent an excuse to bash DUers, IMO. arcane1 Feb 2015 #50

Shit stirring and not even a good try at it. Rex Feb 2015 #53

I literally spit my drink out when he offerd Calley as an example of how tough we are on war crimes. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #58

That would explain the contact buzz I have going right now. Rex Feb 2015 #61

Calley should have received the death penalty. I referenced him ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #64

How much time did Calley, or those who followed him in the killings, serve? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #45

So just say it. The USA is equally as savage as ISIS ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #47

Nobody believes that, you can keep trying to pretend that is what everyone is saying. Rex Feb 2015 #54

As soon as the sentence is proportional to the crime, you can invoke War Crimes. LanternWaste Feb 2015 #46

More American exceptionalism choie Feb 2015 #69

Yup, spot on and the OP knows it and doesn't care to admit to it. Rex Feb 2015 #71

I think I get it now, their understanding of others actions and reactions are on a childlike level Rex Feb 2015 #43

it's binary thinking at it's finest, and that is a hallmark of the conservative mindset.. frylock Feb 2015 #62

No I would not. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #31

Me too, I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut long enough to stay alive. Rex Feb 2015 #40

If you invade my country you have no non combatants. Every soul is part of the occupation force. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #48

No. But also -- they are not defending "their" country. They are attacking others pnwmom Feb 2015 #52

I don't think the borders provided by the west are particularly meaningful to the locals TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #77

It isn't only the "locals" fighting there. Radical extremists are flocking in from other places pnwmom Feb 2015 #78

I didn't dispute that at all and acknowledged it. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #82

That doesn't change the fact that the way to end the Caliph is to stop them from controlling pnwmom Feb 2015 #83

The OP dolphinsandtuna Feb 2015 #55

The OP makes no sense. Rex Feb 2015 #67

Hopefully be like the French Reistance One_Life_To_Give Feb 2015 #59

Right... we didn't murder scores of innocent men, women, and children "indiscriminately" whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #80