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In reply to the discussion: Fast-Track Treason and the Coming Corporate Coup: Calling Out TPP Traitors [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)106. ""TPP is a good idea" you mean these opinion surveys that are estimates or guesses at best?"
Undoubtedly, but the polls show attitudes and opinions at one point in time. In this case they show that Democrats think the TPP is a 'good idea'. They are rarely based on perfect knowledge and can change as knowledge and circumstances change.
Those of us in congress rarely have as much information as those in congress but we are entitled to have an opinion and to see that opinion reflected in congress. That, I believe is consistent with your statement, "The people and their employees, the Representatives."
Which agreements have been ratified by Executive Order without any action from congress?
Very few. ALL of them were negotiated by the executive branch the submitted to congress. That's why some have not been ratified by the US. They were ignored or rejected by congressional vote usually by republicans.
All negotiations should be conducted dependent upon the American peoples consent.
Negotiations should be conducted by elected executives and ratified or rejected by elected legislators.
The recent 'free trade' agreement between Russia and Egypt (who do have dictators) had absolutely not publicity beforehand, negotiations were done totally in secret and will not be submitted to any real legislature for ratification.
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Fast-Track Treason and the Coming Corporate Coup: Calling Out TPP Traitors [View all]
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
OP
Let's be real -- As of yet, Obama does not have Fast-Track authority, and he won't likely get it.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#1
It's not finished. Tribunal process will likely be same as that in other trade deals
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#9
I would suggest looking it up, you might feel a little better about what MIGHT happen, assuming
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#23
The tribunals don't override "federal, state and local laws." Would like to see an example if
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#73
Please show me one case where a tribunal has overridden "federal, state or local" law..
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#84
Not finished yet (which you know), but no nation is going to agree to what you are spreading.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#89
Yes we can, you obviously didn't study why we can't have dolphin safe tuna labels, huh?
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#167
"If America doesn't come first to you, then you hate America." USA! USA! USA!
pampango
Feb 2015
#107
Of course not. No more than whites, men, straights, etc. should come second, third or last.
pampango
Feb 2015
#112
Why does there have to be a 'place' for Blacks, gays, women or the "American home team"?
pampango
Feb 2015
#117
My 'place' is shared with everyone regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, nationality or sexual
pampango
Feb 2015
#146
""TPP is a good idea" you mean these opinion surveys that are estimates or guesses at best?"
pampango
Feb 2015
#106
I really doubt that Democrats are 'guessing' about their preferences as much as republicans are.
pampango
Feb 2015
#110
Does that include Central Americans and South Americans or only USA Americans? USA! USA!
pampango
Feb 2015
#148
Should Congress have the right to CHANGE this agreement, to amend it, to iow, WRITE our Legislation,
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#69
Your argument is very naive. Pres Obama has been orchestrating this agreement.
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#62
I think you are just unfairly bashing Obama.. Wait and see what if anything he endorses.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#63
Oh plez spare me the "If you don't bow down, then you are bashing." Bullcrap.
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#66
I'm sick of hearing "you must hate Obama" as a response to any suggestion of criticism or
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#78
"Is a treasonous agreement a good deal?" Accusing him of negotiating 'treason' is not the same as
pampango
Feb 2015
#108
Any one who does not know that tea partiers accuse Obama of treason is not paying
pampango
Feb 2015
#116
They regularly accuse Obama of being a liberal, open-borders, globalist, traitor. Check it yourself.
pampango
Feb 2015
#127
You don't care what the far-right says. If blissful ignorance is your preferred state, be my guest.
pampango
Feb 2015
#133
we have every right to question or criticise an agreement that reportedly cedes our and
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#125
I agree. We all have the right to question every policy put forward by anyone.
pampango
Feb 2015
#128
the agreement was described as traitorous in your excerpt, not the president. and if it
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#129
I disagree. Questioning a policy is appropriate. We all do it. DU would not exist without that.
pampango
Feb 2015
#132
You don't know him any better than I. I don't hate him but expect him to represent the lower classes
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#130
He's done none of those things. In fact, the so-called Catfood Commission proposed raising Social
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#135
So you claim that the Chained CPI would have been beneficial to the middle and lower classes?
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#138
Yes, if Social Security payments were increased for those on low end, it would by definition help
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#141
You are changing the game. I claimed that Wheeler originally proposed to give the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#171
I can't believe you. Tom Wheeler and the two Republicans make a proposal to allow the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#174
You obviously don't read widely if you think CS Monitor is conservative. Fact is,
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#175
Woody, would care about the poor doing better. In today's economy, that means helping produce
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#142
Yes, Woody Guthrie singing along with pharma CEOs and the US Chamber of Commerce
brentspeak
Feb 2015
#149
Obama put the Social Security cut in his own fucking budget, your attack is a delusional
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#161
I read his response, it's not very encouraging when we allow Foreign Corporations to write our laws
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#68
No it does not. The "tribunals" which are in existing agreements, including European Union,
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#42
I thought it was treason to interfere with the President's foreign policy initiatives?
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#2
Well, once US sovereignty is deliberately & completely undermined by corporate Int'l tribunals..
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
#3
The RW is also accusing Obama of treason on other issues. Using treason as a mere rhetorical
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#92
One side yells, "Obama is a traitor for the TPP!" the other side yells, "Obama is a traitor for his
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#95
Hey, I never said the man was immune from pursuing bad policies and doing so in a bad way.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#97
Betraying one's country by secretly ceding its sovereignty to global Oligarchs
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
#16
Then please explain why Labor & Environmental advocates aren't championing TPP
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
#55
Good luck. I think you'd be better off promoting trade and taxing the heck out of those
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#59
Once Hillary is anointed and coronated, we wont be able to talk about issues like this
Ramses
Feb 2015
#61
"I still regret not doing more to strengthen the North American Free Trade Act's labor and
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#81
Why would I give anyone credit when everything's done in secret? I don't give reich much
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#85
But you seem to "know" that this secret agreement is going to be "good" for us.
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#152
It's done like that because complicated negotiations won't accomplish anything if done in
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#155
But who's doing most of the "negotiations" in secret? Corporate entities! That is NOT democracy!
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#156
Wrong again. Corporations are not negotiating the TPP. It's government officials from the various
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#157
He told us few days ago. You were more concerned with supposed threats to "national sovereignty"
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#163
Did he tell us why he needs Fast Track Authority to pass this bill and it should be done in secret?
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#164
Actually there are people who are against anything Obama does, even when beneficial.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#166
You and others ARE NOT explaining what is beneficial, just playing the "hater" card! TYPICAL!
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#168