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In reply to the discussion: Fast-Track Treason and the Coming Corporate Coup: Calling Out TPP Traitors [View all]pampango
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Fast-Track Treason and the Coming Corporate Coup: Calling Out TPP Traitors [View all]
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
OP
Let's be real -- As of yet, Obama does not have Fast-Track authority, and he won't likely get it.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#1
It's not finished. Tribunal process will likely be same as that in other trade deals
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#9
I would suggest looking it up, you might feel a little better about what MIGHT happen, assuming
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#23
The tribunals don't override "federal, state and local laws." Would like to see an example if
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#73
Please show me one case where a tribunal has overridden "federal, state or local" law..
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#84
Not finished yet (which you know), but no nation is going to agree to what you are spreading.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#89
Yes we can, you obviously didn't study why we can't have dolphin safe tuna labels, huh?
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#167
"If America doesn't come first to you, then you hate America." USA! USA! USA!
pampango
Feb 2015
#107
Of course not. No more than whites, men, straights, etc. should come second, third or last.
pampango
Feb 2015
#112
Why does there have to be a 'place' for Blacks, gays, women or the "American home team"?
pampango
Feb 2015
#117
My 'place' is shared with everyone regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, nationality or sexual
pampango
Feb 2015
#146
""TPP is a good idea" you mean these opinion surveys that are estimates or guesses at best?"
pampango
Feb 2015
#106
I really doubt that Democrats are 'guessing' about their preferences as much as republicans are.
pampango
Feb 2015
#110
Does that include Central Americans and South Americans or only USA Americans? USA! USA!
pampango
Feb 2015
#148
Should Congress have the right to CHANGE this agreement, to amend it, to iow, WRITE our Legislation,
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#69
Your argument is very naive. Pres Obama has been orchestrating this agreement.
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#62
I think you are just unfairly bashing Obama.. Wait and see what if anything he endorses.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#63
Oh plez spare me the "If you don't bow down, then you are bashing." Bullcrap.
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#66
I'm sick of hearing "you must hate Obama" as a response to any suggestion of criticism or
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#78
"Is a treasonous agreement a good deal?" Accusing him of negotiating 'treason' is not the same as
pampango
Feb 2015
#108
Any one who does not know that tea partiers accuse Obama of treason is not paying
pampango
Feb 2015
#116
They regularly accuse Obama of being a liberal, open-borders, globalist, traitor. Check it yourself.
pampango
Feb 2015
#127
You don't care what the far-right says. If blissful ignorance is your preferred state, be my guest.
pampango
Feb 2015
#133
we have every right to question or criticise an agreement that reportedly cedes our and
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#125
I agree. We all have the right to question every policy put forward by anyone.
pampango
Feb 2015
#128
the agreement was described as traitorous in your excerpt, not the president. and if it
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#129
I disagree. Questioning a policy is appropriate. We all do it. DU would not exist without that.
pampango
Feb 2015
#132
You don't know him any better than I. I don't hate him but expect him to represent the lower classes
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#130
He's done none of those things. In fact, the so-called Catfood Commission proposed raising Social
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#135
So you claim that the Chained CPI would have been beneficial to the middle and lower classes?
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#138
Yes, if Social Security payments were increased for those on low end, it would by definition help
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#141
You are changing the game. I claimed that Wheeler originally proposed to give the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#171
I can't believe you. Tom Wheeler and the two Republicans make a proposal to allow the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#174
You obviously don't read widely if you think CS Monitor is conservative. Fact is,
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#175
Woody, would care about the poor doing better. In today's economy, that means helping produce
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#142
Yes, Woody Guthrie singing along with pharma CEOs and the US Chamber of Commerce
brentspeak
Feb 2015
#149
Obama put the Social Security cut in his own fucking budget, your attack is a delusional
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#161
I read his response, it's not very encouraging when we allow Foreign Corporations to write our laws
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#68
No it does not. The "tribunals" which are in existing agreements, including European Union,
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#42
I thought it was treason to interfere with the President's foreign policy initiatives?
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#2
Well, once US sovereignty is deliberately & completely undermined by corporate Int'l tribunals..
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
#3
The RW is also accusing Obama of treason on other issues. Using treason as a mere rhetorical
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#92
One side yells, "Obama is a traitor for the TPP!" the other side yells, "Obama is a traitor for his
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#95
Hey, I never said the man was immune from pursuing bad policies and doing so in a bad way.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#97
Betraying one's country by secretly ceding its sovereignty to global Oligarchs
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
#16
Then please explain why Labor & Environmental advocates aren't championing TPP
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
#55
Good luck. I think you'd be better off promoting trade and taxing the heck out of those
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#59
Once Hillary is anointed and coronated, we wont be able to talk about issues like this
Ramses
Feb 2015
#61
"I still regret not doing more to strengthen the North American Free Trade Act's labor and
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#81
Why would I give anyone credit when everything's done in secret? I don't give reich much
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#85
But you seem to "know" that this secret agreement is going to be "good" for us.
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#152
It's done like that because complicated negotiations won't accomplish anything if done in
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#155
But who's doing most of the "negotiations" in secret? Corporate entities! That is NOT democracy!
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#156
Wrong again. Corporations are not negotiating the TPP. It's government officials from the various
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#157
He told us few days ago. You were more concerned with supposed threats to "national sovereignty"
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#163
Did he tell us why he needs Fast Track Authority to pass this bill and it should be done in secret?
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#164
Actually there are people who are against anything Obama does, even when beneficial.
Hoyt
Feb 2015
#166
You and others ARE NOT explaining what is beneficial, just playing the "hater" card! TYPICAL!
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#168