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bluedigger

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132. A reluctant yes.

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:42 PM

Feb 2015

There are times when evil has to be countered. WWII is a good example. Even though the Allies created the conditions which led to the rise of Nazism through the ruinous Versailles Treaty and it's onerous reparations, they still had to act to stop it's spread. We created the condition for IS by unjustly invading Iraq, but I think if you broke it, you bought it. I don't think we need to or should reintroduce ground troops to the ME (special ops excepted), but we should support any other States that are willing to fight them as much as possible. Call it a proxy war. I think this will be the great ideological struggle of this century, and it would be immoral to wait for it to come to the West.

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A poll about our newest war for our dear DUers [View all] marym625 Feb 2015 OP

No (nt) bigwillq Feb 2015 #1

I don't even begin to have enough information to make such a yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #151

It's just a question on a message board. bigwillq Feb 2015 #152

If I had to answer now.....I would vote no. yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #157

Not going to play this game shenmue Feb 2015 #2

I'm sorry marym625 Feb 2015 #3

If you'd prefer a thread along the same lines that is not looking for yes/no answers, try this Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2015 #99

I'm a reluctant no pscot Feb 2015 #4

May I ask. . marym625 Feb 2015 #5

I think they're dangerous animals pscot Feb 2015 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author marym625 Feb 2015 #18

Thinking of other people as "animals" that "deserve killing" Maedhros Feb 2015 #34

Animals don't do things like this to their fellow animals hatrack Feb 2015 #44

I think mating and territory is the main reasons humans fight as well FrodosPet Feb 2015 #144

Which is why I think we should stay out pscot Feb 2015 #73

Thank you very much marym625 Feb 2015 #47

Sounds a lot like "our man" Yatsenyuk... MattSh Feb 2015 #69

Sssshhh, telling the truth about our guys in Kiev is likely to get you labeled as a 'Putin lover'! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #149

I think danger also comes from half-wits who pretend to know who deserves to be killed LanternWaste Feb 2015 #114

ISIS are pretty sure they know. pscot Feb 2015 #124

It's said often around here marym625 Feb 2015 #125

I'll leave it to one who had seen death up close and personal, Maedhros Feb 2015 #153

This is not as simple as "yes/no". eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #6

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #10

my poll is marym625 Feb 2015 #13

Then your poll is useless. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #20

alrighty then! marym625 Feb 2015 #24

There is no basic "I am against or for" in this. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author marym625 Feb 2015 #27

hence people explaining their thoughts marym625 Feb 2015 #48

NO !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #7

Thank you doll! marym625 Feb 2015 #28

Hell no. It is not our fight. Those who are very concerned about ISIS are welcome to dissentient Feb 2015 #8

I agree marym625 Feb 2015 #14

We already are at war...? Agschmid Feb 2015 #9

I'm sorry, I missed your reply marym625 Feb 2015 #33

No. Hell No. No. Hell No. repeat in ad finitum et ultra Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2015 #11

+a kabillion marym625 Feb 2015 #16

I'm OK with Obama's strategy for now.* femmocrat Feb 2015 #12

Thank you very much marym625 Feb 2015 #17

Sort of yes. Vattel Feb 2015 #19

Very thoughtful response marym625 Feb 2015 #22

No, no, a billion times no Terra Alta Feb 2015 #21

That's exactly what I said to my brother this morning marym625 Feb 2015 #23

there are lots of people who think war solves everything Terra Alta Feb 2015 #32

I agree marym625 Feb 2015 #37

I think the question is wrong workinclasszero Feb 2015 #26

That's a valid point marym625 Feb 2015 #29

So they hate us for our freedoms? Hmm, sounds familiar dissentient Feb 2015 #40

Yes marym625 Feb 2015 #46

When they bring Caretha Feb 2015 #75

There are a lot more people/issues/things/whatever avebury Feb 2015 #30

Same trick, different day marym625 Feb 2015 #35

No. This is a war for those in the Middle East who are affected by the ISIS takeover of lands. Chemisse Feb 2015 #31

I don't think this can be won through marym625 Feb 2015 #36

Wait, you think dialogue with ISIS is the way we should geek tragedy Feb 2015 #61

I am not naive marym625 Feb 2015 #63

What lines of communication would you open with an apocalyptical death cult? geek tragedy Feb 2015 #66

I promise to respond tomorrow marym625 Feb 2015 #68

First marym625 Feb 2015 #81

No. stage left Feb 2015 #38

Thank you. n/t marym625 Feb 2015 #39

You're welcome! stage left Feb 2015 #76

and in this day and age marym625 Feb 2015 #126

No. No. No. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2015 #41

Oh, I missed the other one marym625 Feb 2015 #42

I voted no Aerows Feb 2015 #43

LOL! marym625 Feb 2015 #45

I think we should continue our campaign from the air. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #49

Thank you marym625 Feb 2015 #50

It would legitimize them and their territories. joshcryer Feb 2015 #51

awesome point marym625 Feb 2015 #53

They are psychopathic roaches donco Feb 2015 #52

Thank you for your thoughts marym625 Feb 2015 #54

Yes, "exterminating" people has worked out so well in the past. Maedhros Feb 2015 #154

no olddots Feb 2015 #55

Me too marym625 Feb 2015 #56

interesting marym625 Feb 2015 #57

How do you define "go to war?" geek tragedy Feb 2015 #58

Does in my book marym625 Feb 2015 #59

Nothing right about stopping ISIS from committing geek tragedy Feb 2015 #60

and I appreciate your thoughts on this marym625 Feb 2015 #62

Non-miltiary help is useless if everyone gets butchered and enslaved by ISIS. Military action and geek tragedy Feb 2015 #67

There is only one reason we are involved in the wars in the Middle East... Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #64

BINGO! marym625 Feb 2015 #65

I see this all the time, so I gotta ask. NM_Birder Feb 2015 #130

so you want to test me? marym625 Feb 2015 #131

America just over took Saudi Arabia to become the largest oil producer in the world hack89 Feb 2015 #134

yes. marym625 Feb 2015 #136

Canada, Mexico, Venezuela and Russian are four of the top five countries we get oil from hack89 Feb 2015 #137

Yes, I realize that marym625 Feb 2015 #138

Perhaps because oil is no longer a huge reason the US is in the middle east? hack89 Feb 2015 #139

How is what you said marym625 Feb 2015 #141

LOL ! NM_Birder Feb 2015 #150

What exactly is your problem marym625 Feb 2015 #156

Ah marym625 Feb 2015 #166

We are not dependent on their oil anymore. hack89 Feb 2015 #135

If that's the case, why are we still butting in? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #146

I can't give you an answer that will fit on a bumper sticker. hack89 Feb 2015 #147

I have indeed considered that. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #148

I voted yes -- reluctantly, but yes. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #70

Thank you for your thoughtful response marym625 Feb 2015 #83

No. We need to get serious about alternative energy Widget2000 Feb 2015 #71

I don't have a problem with that marym625 Feb 2015 #84

Maybe it will, with the right incentives... Widget2000 Feb 2015 #105

Thanks for the links marym625 Feb 2015 #107

Something this thread is missing RandiFan1290 Feb 2015 #72

nope. no kids marym625 Feb 2015 #85

FUCK NO ! L0oniX Feb 2015 #74

+1 marym625 Feb 2015 #86

Okay, you 17 Yes voters, care to explain why? KamaAina Feb 2015 #77

Some did. marym625 Feb 2015 #80

some one needs to take out ISIS Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #95

But why does it have to be us? KamaAina Feb 2015 #98

Maybe we just like war marym625 Feb 2015 #128

We are already at war with ISIS and very few are complaining about it. Kaleva Feb 2015 #78

I know marym625 Feb 2015 #87

It's not a simple yes / no Glassunion Feb 2015 #79

I understand there are complexities marym625 Feb 2015 #89

isis deserves this little vacation, to work it out of their system. ileus Feb 2015 #82

uhm. no sarcasm thing marym625 Feb 2015 #90

A qualified yes.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #88

Thank you marym625 Feb 2015 #91

"When did you stop beating your wife?" Throd Feb 2015 #92

Oh a long time ago marym625 Feb 2015 #93

It is an old example of a poorly framed question. Throd Feb 2015 #94

Nice marym625 Feb 2015 #96

I'm a big believer in getting the fuck out and get off the crazy Superman complex TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #97

yep marym625 Feb 2015 #101

Isis is like a fantasy football league. hunter Feb 2015 #100

+1 marym625 Feb 2015 #102

Not a simple yes/no (like Glassunion) Albertoo Feb 2015 #103

I appreciate your thoughts and marym625 Feb 2015 #109

"I've hired you to start a war. It's a prestigious line of work, with a long and glorious tradition. jobycom Feb 2015 #104

+1000 marym625 Feb 2015 #108

THANK YOU. Maedhros Feb 2015 #155

I think "Should the US be joining in the war against ISIS" might be a fairer question. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #106

It's a good question marym625 Feb 2015 #110

"Yes or no to war" is a much worse question than the one you asked. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #113

Thought it obvious I was referring to this post marym625 Feb 2015 #119

Only if we send two ground troopers, George W Bush & Dick Cheney! B Calm Feb 2015 #111

Well there ya go! marym625 Feb 2015 #112

Treat them as the criminals they are. Octafish Feb 2015 #115

interesting thought marym625 Feb 2015 #120

Can't vote. Not a simple yes/no question. MineralMan Feb 2015 #116

I appreciate that marym625 Feb 2015 #121

Using the word 'war' is bogus from the start. randome Feb 2015 #117

Don't know what else to call marym625 Feb 2015 #122

I think the better question is ozone_man Feb 2015 #118

That's the billion dollar question marym625 Feb 2015 #123

Not an easy yes or no. I am usually vehemently anti war but these vile idiots to be stopped. bowens43 Feb 2015 #127

Thank you for your reply marym625 Feb 2015 #129

A reluctant yes. bluedigger Feb 2015 #132

Thank you marym625 Feb 2015 #133

Depends on what you mean by going to war . . . fadedrose Feb 2015 #140

Thanks for your thoughts marym625 Feb 2015 #142

It should be a personal decision. nilesobek Feb 2015 #143

+1000 marym625 Feb 2015 #145

I voted pass becasue I don't think there is enought information to make a call RKP5637 Feb 2015 #158

more than fair marym625 Feb 2015 #159

I need a definition of what you mean by war. An all out assault, troops RKP5637 Feb 2015 #160

Any military involvement marym625 Feb 2015 #162

I know what you mean, it feels like a déjà vu. Why, does the US always RKP5637 Feb 2015 #164

Thank you! marym625 Feb 2015 #165

When has our war-making in the Middle East resulted in a positive outcome? Maedhros Feb 2015 #161

got me. marym625 Feb 2015 #163