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In reply to the discussion: 5 Reasons Why Leftists Should Defend Russia | New Eastern Outlook [View all]arendt
(5,078 posts)I am silent on the matter of who is right. And yet that silence is good for the Left.
Russia is tying up neocon resources that could be put to use in further overthrows of Latin American governments, like Honduras (2009), and the latest attempt in Venezuela. That is good for the left in Latin America.
Russia is putting economic pressure on the insane austerity-mad Western Alliance. That pressure may have played a role in Greece getting some slack from the ECB. That is good for the PIIGS, shafted by the neoliberals.
The OP tried to put those topics on the table, but the hate-hate-hate gang here doesn't want a discussion. They want a jihad.
I have no brief for any side.
I think Putin and his clique are brutal gangsters with the full support of a nation that has been brutalized by its rulers for 500 years, and by the Nazis and then the Cold War and then Shock Therapy.
I think the Ukrainians are Nazis funded by US neocon Nazis. Lvov/Lviv has been part of seven countries since 1900. There were NINTEEEN battles of Kiev in the Russian Civil War of 1919-1921. The place doesn't have an identity, as much as it has an identity crisis. It is every bit as artificial a construct as the Arab state borders. And it is falling apart for exactly the same reasons.
I think America has devolved to Rome. We loot things. We bully people. Only the rich have any say in our "democracy". Why does the US stick its fingers into places like Ukraine? Because our neocons want chaos so we can impose neoliberalism and austerity and loot the place blind while the suckers there murder each other (see Iraq War 2 Sunni Vs. Shia). Our NSA/CIA is completely out of control. Snowden taught us that. Am I supposed to throw the Kaspersky report on bugged hard drives into the trash because it came from Russia? Again, the Russians have done the US left a service, and we did not have to ask them to do it.
Does anyone here remember pragmatism anymore? Or did that go away like "nuance"?