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Igel

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17. Would that be overall, industry by industry, or workplace by workplace or job by job?
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:11 PM
Apr 2012

Productivity's soared overall, i.e., in the US as a whole.

Should all wages keep pace with this?

I ask, because not all industries have seen increases in productivity. So should just the industries that have seen productivity see pay increases?

The problem is that not all plants or worksites have seen the same increases. This would just drive old plants out of business and help move jobs overseas--or to places where it's cheaper to build new work sites.

So perhaps it should go worksite by worksite? So if the steel mill in Podunk, MI sees increases in efficiency but the one in NoWhere, Georgia, doesn't then the Podunkers see a hefty raise while the NoWherians see nothing.

That seems hardly fair. Moreover, it could be the case that the productivity gains at Podunk are entirely due to just the open hearth. Why spread the wealth when the open hearth workers are doing much more work? So perhaps the pay increases should go job by job at a given workplace.

The problem is that a lot of jobs have seen no increases in productivity. Or you have to figure out how to define productivity.

Take teachers. Colleges have seen just about 0 increase in productivity. My high school's seen an increase because class size has increased--fewer teachers teaching more students. But if class size goes down next year, should we get pay decreases?

Or maybe we count "productivity" as student count x GPA. (In which case, surprise class--everybody gets an A!) Or student count x standardized test scores.

Don't know. But I do know this: The metric for evaluating productivity will suddenly be revised to make sure that the revisers and measurers have triple-digit productivity increases each of the first 3 years its implemented.

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+1. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #1
Thanks; that was actually the result of our argument the other day Recursion Apr 2012 #2
can you link me? forgot the context. thanks for letting me know, good to know HiPointDem Apr 2012 #5
It was you and Romulux Recursion Apr 2012 #6
thanks. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #9
I can do it in 10 letters! Uben Apr 2012 #3
Ah, that's a different way to do it. Recursion Apr 2012 #4
Well, ProSense Apr 2012 #12
Want to know my ideal, dream tax structure? Recursion Apr 2012 #18
You're right ProSense Apr 2012 #23
Productivity can be influenced..... Uben Apr 2012 #31
That isn't as high as you may think. dkf Apr 2012 #7
Are those figures mean annual or total for the period in question? (nt) Recursion Apr 2012 #10
Annual. dkf Apr 2012 #15
Wow. I'm assuming those are constant dollars? Recursion Apr 2012 #19
No idea. dkf Apr 2012 #26
1947 to 73 wages tracked productivity. 73 on, they were flat. so those losses are very big. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #16
That's a graph of the neocon revolution as a whole..but where's the last ten years? saras Apr 2012 #27
rising wages matching rising productivity = ldf Apr 2012 #8
I hate America because it sent me to Iraq Recursion Apr 2012 #13
What about all those lost years of productivity since 1978? kentuck Apr 2012 #11
Well, that would be an awesome world, but even if we started tomorrow it would solve... Recursion Apr 2012 #14
Would that be overall, industry by industry, or workplace by workplace or job by job? Igel Apr 2012 #17
biggest productivity gains have gone to the biggest players. the ones currently HiPointDem Apr 2012 #20
Great questions! I don't know the answer Recursion Apr 2012 #21
And remove the cap. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2012 #22
I'm all for that, but it's not necessary if wages kept rising Recursion Apr 2012 #24
How do you pay machines more? And how do you then pay the displaced people? jtuck004 Apr 2012 #25
Why not just put a lasso around the moon and give it to me? hfojvt Apr 2012 #28
Actually that itself would not work Recursion Apr 2012 #29
I guess that would make me a perfect ten hfojvt Apr 2012 #30
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