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In reply to the discussion: Hillary the inevitable. [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)So tell me why you support Hillary. What issues has she come out for that speak to the Democratic Party faithful or the Liberal base of the party? Was it her vote creating a double standard on Bankruptcy? You know the one where individuals could no longer write off debt, but corporations still could? http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2001-236.htm
That really showed those deadbeats who were abusing the Bankruptcy system. The idea by the way was that with this, Credit Card Companies would be able to lower the interest rates because of fewer losses to Bankruptcy. Has it worked? Anyone?
Perhaps it's her vision for the future. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/politics/hillary-clinton-canada-future-vision/
Help strengthen the Middle Class. Wow, that's way more courageous. After spending months in "hiatus" to consult with her advisors, she came out after the President's state of the Union and said What he said.
No grand plans were developed during the Hiatus. No strategy other than saying pretty much inane meat and potatoes populism that someone else fostered first. What leadership. What astonishing vision.
Perhaps It's the Clinton Foundation support for Free Trade. You know NAFTA that cost about a million US jobs in Agriculture alone and probably half again that many in the automotive sector. With her determined attitude to protect and strengthen the Middle Class, perhaps Hillary will oppose the TPP. I can't find anything saying she is opposed to it. But keeping in character she would probably support it since the Clinton Foundation held a big free trade conference. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-swenson/nafta-the-transpacific-clinton_b_5523327.html
Here are her statements in support of the TPP. http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Free_Trade.htm
So Middle class can get screwed under the TPP, but she's the best choice because?
Well darn. I'm trying to find a reason that the intelligent and dedicated Clinton supporters would support her. Marijuana. Perhaps that's why. Her clear and concise statements on Marijuana might be the reason. http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Drugs.htm
Nope. Medical Marijuana now. July 2014. Medical Marijuana maybe June of 2014. One month and she went from maybe to sure? What changed? Did someone finally show her a poll that showed people support it?
So why do the Clinton Supporters line up behind Hillary? It obviously isn't her support of the Middle Class since her votes on Bankruptcy reform harmed the Middle Class terribly, and her support for the TPP would gut the middle class. That pretty much rules out supporting her for her economic vision. So what is left? What positions of Hillary do the people support?
Because right now, the polling is name recognition. Everyone has heard of Hillary for more than two decades. Most people don't follow politics enough to know the other names. So it would be like asking who your favorite singer is of the following choices. Brittney Spears, Annabel Jones, or Nancy Unger. (I made up the last two so I have no idea if they are singers or not) The results would show that Brittney was a hands down favorite. Now when people heard them sing, they might choose someone else, probably given my opinion on Brittney, but that is another discussion. So you can't say that Brittney is the greatest singer of all time and destined to win a Grammy because she's the people's favorite in that poll.
So tell me, why do people support Hillary? If it is just about the common issues, like Gay Marriage, then find me a Democrat who doesn't support Gay Marriage. That one individual, and I have to assume there is at least one, would not be my choice for President either. But using that common issue, I say common issue because as far as I know every Democrat supports it, as the main reason to support Hillary is asinine. Because in an effort to defend that one common issue you'll sell out every other demographic that we would need to vote for us. If the choice is between a Republican who will reward their corporate sponsors, and a Democrat who will reward totally different corporate sponsors, who wins? It doesn't matter, because we all lose and the average person knows it and that's why they don't turn out to vote.
If we want to lose, we'll run Hillary. I'm certain we'll lose. But even if we win, we still lose. Because we will have elected another corporatist into the White House. The only thing that we'll agree with the Republicans who will still be in control of Congress on will be screwing the little guy. Unless it's abortion or Gay Marriage, then we'll stand up and fight, or something.