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NanceGreggs

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124. At this point in time ...

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:48 PM

Feb 2015

... I support Hillary, first and foremost, because she polls so well in head-to-head match-ups with any possible Republican contenders.

I want a candidate who can win the general election - and she obviously can. I want a (D) in the WH, and will do anything I can to see that happen.

It's amusing to see people who are "too principled" to vote for our best shot at keeping the position of POTUS in Democratic hands. IMHO, there is nothing "principled" about allowing another four-to-eight years of Republican rule.

Hillary is not perfect - but then, no contender is. But she's still the far better choice than any Republican.

"If we want to lose, we'll run Hillary. I'm certain we'll lose." The current polling says otherwise.

And before you hit me up with the "she's no different than a Republican" meme, take a look at the possible, if not probable GOP wannabes, and tell me how the likes of Jeb Bush, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, et al will be "no different" than Hillary.

I'm a Democrat - I vote to WIN, not to stand on the sidelines and bitch about how "standing by my principles" was far more important than handing the governance of my country over to some GOP asshole.

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Hillary the inevitable. [View all] Savannahmann Feb 2015 OP

LOL DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #1

a pair of parody? guillaumeb Feb 2015 #56

I wouldn't vote for any of em DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #63

Neither, thanks. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #2

Its not a question of inevitability VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #3

Like in 2008??? nt Logical Feb 2015 #7

Do you have someone who polls ahead of ALL Republicans VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #8

She lost a 30 point lead in 2008 and just paid off her 2008 debt last year.... Logical Feb 2015 #9

and 30 points would STILL not be enough...she is ahead by 50 of them! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #10

She did terrible at fund raising also! nt Logical Feb 2015 #45

Saying a twelve point lead is a thirty point lead doesn't seem Logical, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #12

Looking at the polls in 2008, it WAS accurate to say she lost that lead... cascadiance Feb 2015 #35

The losses seem to be in the teens and not thirty and as the other poster pointed out ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #36

doesn't matter...STILL not enough.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #37

You are going to have a bad 12 months! nt Logical Feb 2015 #47

No it appears that would be you....you seem to have some problem with math.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #48

LOL, once again, like in 2008! Numbers favored it then too! nt Logical Feb 2015 #73

and mr "logical" you have been told over and over...she has almost doubled that lead VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #75

nice try, where the fuck did I say any timeframe, here you go...... Logical Feb 2015 #46

still not a 50 point drop! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #49

I have total faith clinton can lose a 50 point lead. Wow, you are brainwashed. nt Logical Feb 2015 #71

Yeah and monkeys will soon fly out of my butt! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #72

Way early! Way early. But at least I will vote for her if she is the nominee. God forbid! nt Logical Feb 2015 #84

Well then you better gird your loins... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #87

Here you go, get ready..... Logical Feb 2015 #86

Not my monkeys....not my butt! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #88

I really do hope monkeys fly out your butt davidpdx Feb 2015 #103

My attitude is just fine....Perhaps you just don't like REAL Democrats standing up for the Party! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #109

I have a book I think you need to read, send me your address and I'll buy you a copy davidpdx Feb 2015 #125

No, not like 2008 Renew Deal Feb 2015 #38

guess she just needs to say she is running and you can be relevant. NM_Birder Feb 2015 #34

I guess it is difficult for reality to sink in for some, yes, she has the support of the major Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #62

Some cannot handle the truth! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #64

Maybe in the next two years it will be very plain. The GOP has taken an Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #65

The fact that they even considered Jeb Bush shows just how desperate they are! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #68

If I was looking for someone to run in the GOP and someone who beat Hillary Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #80

I have already bought my shares in popcorn stock.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #81

Hey, free Keystone kops, huh. lol Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #89

I'm a Democrat. LWolf Feb 2015 #101

Oh now careful there.... davidpdx Feb 2015 #104

As you can see. LWolf Feb 2015 #117

Okay....who do YOU have in opposition to HRC that polls in double digits against all Republicans? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #123

I have a long list of great Democrats; LWolf Feb 2015 #128

and answer the question....do you know any of them can beat ALL Republicans by double digits? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #129

I don't know that anyone can beat anyone by any margin LWolf Feb 2015 #142

poll after poll VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #143

Don't quote what I didn't say. LWolf Feb 2015 #144

right.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #146

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #149

wow.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #150

. LWolf Feb 2015 #151

Maybe it takes a lot to describe someone Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #164

apparently it is the "other side" that are sensitive... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #122

Really there are "sides" davidpdx Feb 2015 #126

You tell me....you brought it up! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #127

103, 104, 125, and 126 davidpdx Feb 2015 #130

I plan on waffles on election day if Hillary is the only choice. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #148

results RussBLib Feb 2015 #156

Thanks! Looks like I struck a nerve Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #157

I wonder who could've alerted on you. Quackers Feb 2015 #165

It was me. Agschmid Feb 2015 #167

Pushers? WTF!!! She is far in the lead among ALL REAL Democrats no one is holding a gun to our heads VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #111

Results... Major Nikon Feb 2015 #120

Not to mention this poster first suggested SOME Democrats were "HRC Pushers" and also VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #121

OK... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #132

You know what....there are also alot of women including young women who hadn't bothered to vote VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #135

My threat? malokvale77 Feb 2015 #140

Yeah actually....you did! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #141

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #145

I do not agree with anything you have ever stated on DU malokvale77 Feb 2015 #172

"You know the base that didn't vote for Reagan." malokvale77 Feb 2015 #174

No Ideologues do not deal with "reality" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #175

A promising career with Unskewed Polls awaits you. whatthehey Feb 2015 #4

Cool Push Poll, Bro. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #5

"Hillary sucks, wash, rinse and repeat." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #6

Really, who says that? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #158

Brevity is a virtue. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #159

How about... Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #160

Even better... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #161

Thought you wanted brevity? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #162

"Even better" seems like a compliment, no?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #163

Um, who told you that? brooklynite Feb 2015 #11

What does 'solid mainstream Democrat' mean these days? Wall St friendly, MIC friendly? Maybe that sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #17

In my book? Pro choice, pro gay rights, pro progressive taxation, pro Social Security, pro ACA... brooklynite Feb 2015 #18

Every Democrat, and surprising as it may be, many Republicans, and certainly Independents, left sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #21

So, am I to understand that you support an isolationist foreign policy and absolute passivism? brooklynite Feb 2015 #23

Am I to assume you support Rove/Cheney/Bush's policies of turning this country into an Empire? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #25

No, I believe in the Obama policy of supporting democracy through limited military engagement brooklynite Feb 2015 #28

Democracy? Show me some of those 'democracies' we have helped to 'create' or support? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #42

+1 A Little Weird Feb 2015 #153

funny Martin O malley DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #40

Indeed he is... brooklynite Feb 2015 #41

You don't think you are THAT do you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #50

Excuse me? 'You don't think you are THAT do you'? Care to explain that more clearly? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #58

You don't think YOUR views are that of the "Solid Mainstream Democrats" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #61

Solid Mainstream Democrats are FIGHTERS for the working class, the elderly, disabled, children, sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #95

Markos Moulitsas? winter is coming Feb 2015 #60

I see...one blogger brooklynite Feb 2015 #82

Yes, one anonyous commentator here is exactly the same thing winter is coming Feb 2015 #85

Still an opionion piece by ONE person... brooklynite Feb 2015 #90

Unrec. FSogol Feb 2015 #13

Can't vote. Push poll. MineralMan Feb 2015 #14

actually, no we don't hfojvt Feb 2015 #15

'her gender alone' is NOT inspiring. Her positions on policies are what WOMEN are interested. If she sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #19

they already tried that in 2008 hfojvt Feb 2015 #24

then YOU might want to read up on HER policies not HIS... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #51

Imagine anyone judging Biden or Sanders based on their wives' views BainsBane Feb 2015 #93

If Biden's or Sander's wives had been president tularetom Feb 2015 #105

She embodies them in your minds BainsBane Feb 2015 #106

Instead of attacking me for expressing my views tularetom Feb 2015 #108

"if only to preserve my right to bitch..." VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #114

It is a verb (genderless) ya know and I really don't care what you believe tularetom Feb 2015 #116

sure it is....You keep telling yourself that....you're a real feminist male alright VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #118

And if she becomes President Tom....what does that do for them???? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #119

We'll just have to wait and see, won't we tularetom Feb 2015 #136

Yeah you will VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author tularetom Feb 2015 #107

Judging her and saying they are essentially joined at the hip on policy when SHE has her VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #113

I thoiught she was inevitable in 2008. SheilaT Feb 2015 #16

You stick-in-the-eye people need to look at Jeb Bush's group of advisers. Paladin Feb 2015 #20

Again, that is the broken leg is better than a heart attack argument. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #97

If we get a Repub president and we end up living in American Sniper Nation, remind me to thank you. Paladin Feb 2015 #100

Exactly! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #133

Actually, it's more like a pudgy short guy that everyone says is better than Jordan. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #166

Stats doesn't even register with you did they? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #168

Yes stats register. But we don't have stats. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #169

Yes we do...its called Polling... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #170

Those who give the greatest impression of inevitiability are her detractors BainsBane Feb 2015 #22

You tell it!!! NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #67

Agreed! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #77

unrec ...push poll. obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2015 #26

Unrec. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #27

The odds are, we'll get both Cal Carpenter Feb 2015 #29

H comes before J BlueJazz Feb 2015 #30

Wow, what an eye-opener! (pun intended) We now have 72% voting they would rather have a sharp stick dissentient Feb 2015 #31

Reminds me of Jesus' admonition that you shouldn't look at the spec in your neighbor's eye... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #33

Of DUers that chose to pick an option Renew Deal Feb 2015 #39

People show their true characters when they become desperate stevenleser Feb 2015 #66

That's very perceptive, Steven Fumesucker Feb 2015 #70

I'm not sympathetic to the anti-Hillary crowd here. But you already knew that. stevenleser Feb 2015 #74

Perspective is important Fumesucker Feb 2015 #98

thats very perceptive Fumesucker VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #79

Hillary is too much like Debbie Wasserman Shultz Fumesucker Feb 2015 #99

Says the Left Leaning Independent! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #112

You keep posting this A Little Weird Feb 2015 #154

I wanted to vote we stop poking around for loyalty oaths and rebellion oaths, but that was not an merrily Feb 2015 #32

I vote we take what DEMOCRATS want....you know like that Primary Election VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #52

no guillaumeb Feb 2015 #57

Hide thread is your friend. bigwillq Feb 2015 #59

And we're both free to post our different opinions about that. merrily Feb 2015 #171

If Hillary gets the nod, will you bite your tongue and follow ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #43

In the case of many....that will be a crow pizza! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #54

Seems like a pandering post ... either/or, yes/no, black/white ... not a call for libdem4life Feb 2015 #44

I thought about passing.. peace13 Feb 2015 #53

PASS--Disruptive, divisive META. IMO. nt MADem Feb 2015 #55

This is one of the most stupid murielm99 Feb 2015 #69

A disruptive meta complaint about Hillary supporting DUers packaged as a push poll stevenleser Feb 2015 #76

This is a stupid post and an idiotic poll OKNancy Feb 2015 #78

I'll vote for her if there is no other D choice Go Vols Feb 2015 #83

Honestly... 99Forever Feb 2015 #91

The term "Hillary is inevitable" ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #92

Racked your brain and can't think of a single reason the inevitable meme stuck? AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #94

Ouch! DeSwiss Feb 2015 #96

OMG!!! NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #102

Ok, perhaps I'm wrong. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #115

At this point in time ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #124

You realize you proved my point. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #131

"I listed the issues, and showed she's weak, or wrong on most of them ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #134

I don't understand. Are we talking about voting for her in the primary, or the general? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #110

Is this a joke? workinclasszero Feb 2015 #138

If I must post it again. I will. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #139

You have that right. Agschmid Feb 2015 #147

The problem isn't a power vacuum. The problem is conventional wisdom. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #152

If someone wants to run against Hillary treestar Feb 2015 #155

Other: Seems the plan is that I get the stick in the eye either way but I'm not going to endorse it. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #173

Only Republicans think Hillary Clinton is inevitable... Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #176