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37. Let's look at some facts and statistics ...
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:56 PM
Apr 2012

Florida passed "shall issue" concealed carry in 1987.

Since 1987 Florida has issued 2,167,283 Concealed Weapons Permits. Currently 919,831 are valid. 106,496 of these permits are held by people who live outside of Florida.

During the twenty four years that this law has been in effect only 168 permits have been revoked for a crime involving the use of a firearm committed after the license was issued.

sources:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.pdf
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_active.pdf


Not all of the 168 license that were revoked involved a shooting. Unfortunately the state doesn't provide statistics on why the licenses were recalled.

It should be obvious that "shall issue" concealed carry has not turned Florida into the Wild West that Hollywood imagines.

In my opinion at this time and with the information that I have been able to glean from the news, I feel that Zimmerman is guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter. However I believe in our legal system and refuse to replace it with trial by the media. I am glad that Zimmerman has been arrested and may change my views on his guilt as I find out more of the evidence that will be released during the proceedings. If it is true that Zimmerman left his vehicle after being instructed by dispatch to not continue to follow Martin, I feel he is guilty of escalating the situation and had he not done so, the situation would have ended peacefully.

While it is true that people who have been licensed to carry concealed are an amazingly law abiding and responsible group as a whole, they are not all angels. While one Zimmerman gains attention, the many times that a licensed carrier of a firearm uses his/her weapon for totally legitimate self defense are totally ignored by the national media and at the best only receive occasional local media attention.

Did you hear anything about this story on national news?

Man buys knife, stabs 2 at Salt Lake City store
April 26th, 2012 @ 7:45pm

SALT LAKE CITY — A man stabbed two people at the Smith's Marketplace grocery store in downtown Salt Lake City before being subdued by a bystander.

The attack took place around 5:30 p.m. in the parking lot of the store at 455 S. 500 East.

According to a witness, it appears one man was stabbed in the side of the head and another was stabbed in the stomach. The exact condition of the victims is unknown, but police believe the injuries are very serious and possibly critical.

Police say a bystander with a concealed carry permit witnessed the attack and stepped in to keep it from escalating.emphasis added
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20161608&title=man-stabs-2-at-salt-lake-city-store-witness-subdues-attacker&s_cid=featured-1


The media which definitely has a bias against concealed carry often publishes the view that all people who have permits to carry are bloodthirsty vigilantes looking for any opportunity to blow another person away. The fact that none of the states that has passed "shall issue" concealed carry has repealed the law is proof of the fact that the media lacks the power that it imagines that it has.



One of the explanations of the lack of confidence in the media is their distortions of the facts on issues relating to gun control. There are 80,000,000 firearm owners in our nation that have a good to excellent knowledge of firearms.
When the media portrays a semi-auto firearm used in a crime as a fully automatic military class weapon, these gun owners immediately see the lie and resent it. They realize that if the media can't be trusted to correctly report the facts on an issue as simple as firearms, why should they be trusted to report the truth about far more complicated issues.

We do live in a free country and you have every right to believe whatever you wish and if you wish to consider all the people who have concealed carry permits in Florida to be part of a "LICENSED CCW manly man brethren" it is your choice. Obviously you are ignoring the fact that many women in Florida have concealed carry permits.



I don't claim that all those who have carry permits in Florida never misuse their firearms. I would simply like to point out that as a group we are unusually responsible and crime free. In fact a higher percentage of police officers misuse their weapons to commit crime than do those with carry permits.



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On Zimmy's statement to the court [View all] nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 OP
"Becoming paranoid". The country is awash in pure fear of the 'other'. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #1
Yeah I know... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #2
Get ready for the CCW fans to rip this thread apart Hugabear Apr 2012 #3
Oh I expect it. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #4
No we won't - there are so many examples of spontaneous mass shoot outs in theaters hack89 Apr 2012 #12
which makes it all the more stupid that he got out of his car and followed Trayvon magical thyme Apr 2012 #5
Agreed, I think they opened a few holes nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #13
that's more than culture I think magical thyme Apr 2012 #17
Absolutely nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #19
And he lied when he said he thought Martin was older. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #27
Zimmerman's side will tell you his gun saved his life. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #6
And everyone else will tell you Zimmerman should have never gotten out of his damned car Hugabear Apr 2012 #7
No shit Sherlock. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #8
They can and they do nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #10
I remember that logic...We had to destroy the village to save it. A Simple Game Apr 2012 #20
Fear is an adrenaline high, an addiction. When it cycles down, one needs another fix to feel alive. freshwest Apr 2012 #9
What is funny is that this drug, and yes it is a drug, it is an adrenalin high nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #11
A variation of something I was thinking. 99Forever Apr 2012 #14
Yup, I have heard this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #15
"An armed society is a polite society." arely staircase Apr 2012 #31
Strange. I have a Concealed Weapons Permit and I don't think that everybody I see is armed. spin Apr 2012 #16
And per schedule HI nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #18
Just curious, since you are an ex-cop. zappaman Apr 2012 #22
We can argue about who is the most paranoid all day ... spin Apr 2012 #24
Neither am I, but I do not live in a state where my chances nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #26
As an ex-cop you should still qualify for one. Codeine Apr 2012 #40
Do me a favor, would you? 99Forever Apr 2012 #21
Since you live in Minnesota and I live in Florida ... spin Apr 2012 #25
Or, as has been recently illustrated, if you are a young... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #28
What you fail to realize is that I am not Zimmerman ... spin Apr 2012 #29
I see... 99Forever Apr 2012 #30
Feel free to visit... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #32
Welcome to DU. (n/t) spin Apr 2012 #33
Thanks.. AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #38
Reading skills are fundamental ... spin Apr 2012 #35
My "reading skills" are just fine, bud,... 99Forever Apr 2012 #36
Let's look at some facts and statistics ... spin Apr 2012 #37
Facts and statistics... 99Forever Apr 2012 #39
It's the equivalent of admitting you are wrong... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #41
Exactly. (n/t) spin Apr 2012 #43
That isn't what I said.. 99Forever Apr 2012 #46
Like many who oppose concealed carry ... spin Apr 2012 #42
Human nature being what it is, I actually agree with this. Good point Nadin nt riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #23
How do we protect ourselves from this group of people who are now walking Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #34
Over 800,000 citizens have concealed weapons permits in Florida ... spin Apr 2012 #44
Who is going to be left alive to define if an attack is provoked? Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #45
I walk by cameras all the time ... spin Apr 2012 #47
You don't represent everyone who carries, do you spin? Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #48
Zimmerman hardly represents the majority of people ... spin Apr 2012 #49
Well, we don't know it. Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #50
Two things on this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #51
If you you said was true ... spin Apr 2012 #53
Was George Zimmerman's permit pulled off when nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #54
Is the fact that JUSTIFIED shooting has increased 25% a terrible thing? spin Apr 2012 #56
Here is the problem you are having nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #57
There is a legal review in the Zimmerman case ... spin Apr 2012 #59
Oh com'on there is legal review ONLY after massive national nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #60
If you carefully read my post you will find that we agree on this point... spin Apr 2012 #61
What you ignore is the number of lives that are saved because a person with a carry permit ... spin Apr 2012 #55
Zimmy was lying: ""I thought Trayvon was slightly younger than me..." pokerfan Apr 2012 #52
Swill pipoman Apr 2012 #58
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