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MFrohike

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116. Well, no

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:05 PM

Feb 2015

Your point, from what I could tell, is that Hillary is some kind of liberal on economic issues. Your laundry list of statements and actions, inaccurately listed as statements only, both argued for and against your point. I used the phrase "liberal Jesus" as a general statement of mockery regarding your list and your badly made argument. Bear in mind, I'm not engaging you on the substance of your argument, I'm engaging you on its inadequacy. If your hope was to paint Hillary as a liberal in economic matters, you failed pretty miserably. In the future, you should try focusing on her actions, not laundry lists of statements. After all, talk is cheap.

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The origin of a RW hack job that some lefties fall for.... [View all] boston bean Feb 2015 OP

Can you imagine all the lost media ad revenue if The Game is over before half time? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #1

So sad that even on on DU Hillary haters have to resort to FAUX to make their "case." MoonRiver Feb 2015 #2

And some RW media website "pledges" a million dollars....same apoleptic response. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #3

Yeah shenmue Feb 2015 #6

Absolutely! MoonRiver Feb 2015 #7

You mean the same Faux Nooz, whose owner held fundraisers for her in 2008? Fuddnik Feb 2015 #52

Hillary's ties to lobbyists aren't a right-wing creation Enrique Feb 2015 #4

Oh noes! Hillary only gets her money from poor people and, um, angels. djean111 Feb 2015 #10

Criticizing her for big corporate donors is silly treestar Feb 2015 #12

And then, of course, we are admonished that OF COURSE the elected one has to please their big djean111 Feb 2015 #15

How can they "please" them? treestar Feb 2015 #20

I do not buy that lessening regulations on wall Street will avoid a recession. djean111 Feb 2015 #24

who could this be... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #129

You invented all that stuff treestar Feb 2015 #178

How has Hillary claimed she want to regulate them less? treestar Feb 2015 #195

there is a way to fix that.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #28

Oh, I don't think Hillary is going to regulate Wall Street. Which vote are you referring to? djean111 Feb 2015 #32

"you don't think" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #38

No, not when she gives speeches to banks saying we are just being mean to them. djean111 Feb 2015 #41

She gives lots of speeches....and she raises money for lots of philanthropic causes too... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #43

Oh good grief. This is my last response to you today. "lots of speeches" - which is where you get djean111 Feb 2015 #48

Of course it is....when you have no evidence to support your theory....that is what one does... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #50

... The good old fashioned announced ignore. Agschmid Feb 2015 #90

What speech? treestar Feb 2015 #196

I think "we" is us stupid liberal Lefties. djean111 Feb 2015 #198

sounds like an opinionated summary treestar Feb 2015 #205

Not alone in their opinion. djean111 Feb 2015 #207

Protip MFrohike Feb 2015 #74

No it doesn't ....none of her supporters consider her to be "some kind of Liberal Jesus" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #93

Well, no MFrohike Feb 2015 #116

My point is...her record shows she IS a Liberal Democrat. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #121

See, that's your problem MFrohike Feb 2015 #122

You see.....its not a problem... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #123

Not so much, no MFrohike Feb 2015 #124

OHHHH you want evidence.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #125

Heh MFrohike Feb 2015 #131

Oh I've read it...its you that needs to!... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #134

If you say so MFrohike Feb 2015 #137

Yeah I say so....and I have public records to prove it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #140

Except you don't MFrohike Feb 2015 #144

Except I DO....those are all documented! READING is fundamental VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #146

Cool MFrohike Feb 2015 #148

and that is just ONE of many many many just like it that i have to support my contentions... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #150

In other words.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #136

Cool MFrohike Feb 2015 #139

damn skippy.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #141

It could be that MFrohike Feb 2015 #143

Oh thats what you think? Could be that you have a preconceived notion based on VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #145

It could be MFrohike Feb 2015 #147

Or it could be that you wouldn't know what documented public records were...if they jumped up and VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #149

You must be tired MFrohike Feb 2015 #152

actually I am not....I am posting the actual record of this LIBERAL Democrat. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #157

I finally get it MFrohike Feb 2015 #159

No not "JUST" economic matters....OVERALL the woman is a Liberal Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #161

Well, make the argument MFrohike Feb 2015 #164

its not "walls of text"....its FACTS in Public Record...Every ONE of them sourced! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #167

Oh man, now you're condescending MFrohike Feb 2015 #172

No indentation and no punctuation.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #175

You're doing it wrong MFrohike Feb 2015 #177

In Summary VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #126

In summary MFrohike Feb 2015 #132

I have read my evidence thank you....it proves exactly what I am saying... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #151

Read the Social Security section MFrohike Feb 2015 #153

I have read it...thanks... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #155

No she does not, or more likely pretends not to /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #128

You got evidence of that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #130

Why yes, you. You are the evidence /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #158

no but I DO have the evidence.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #160

Have you ever tried making this claim to a Republican? treestar Feb 2015 #197

Sigh MFrohike Feb 2015 #199

Bravo deutsey Feb 2015 #213

When she pulls that stuff out, it is best to give up discussing the content with her Dragonfli Feb 2015 #100

Except my arguments stem from actual facts..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #127

This is kind of fun MFrohike Feb 2015 #135

badly reasoned arguments? I just laid out abortion in response to another post...lets move on to VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #138

hahahahahahhahahahahahahaha MFrohike Feb 2015 #142

Oh looks like you need another topic...lets see... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #154

Woo MFrohike Feb 2015 #162

Woo my butt.....the public record is there... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #163

At least I picked MFrohike Feb 2015 #166

I didn't have to "pick" its public record...AND sourced... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #168

Comedy MFrohike Feb 2015 #170

Well there ya go, have fun with that Dragonfli Feb 2015 #156

and you have something that supports this in public record do you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #165

Why yes, you just posted it, thanks for that by the way. /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #169

Item #1 is OpEd: Disagrees with progressives on corporatism & military. (Dec 2014)� TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #180

that is not the full record though is it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #182

and here you go... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #183

Perhaps you should read further...its about a "total score" what we Democrats like to call a RECORD. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #184

Well then how about criticizing her for this. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #27

Exactly not even Obama.... Historic NY Feb 2015 #51

Criticizing ONLY her would be silly. Orsino Feb 2015 #57

Just how do you expect someone pure enough to get elected? treestar Feb 2015 #200

I don't buy that framing. Orsino Feb 2015 #212

Downplaying its importance is legitimate argumentation. Calling it "LIES" is, itself, a lie. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #95

Poor people don't donate to candidates. They need to eat. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #14

I do not see Hillary as "relatively progressive". She is not for anything progressive, IMO, before djean111 Feb 2015 #17

Care to answer my question? nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #18

Your question, with the "besides Hillary" part, is illogical or something. False premise. djean111 Feb 2015 #25

Oh really? Whats so "NOT at all Progressive" about this record? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #133

Not for anything "relatively progressive"? Really now? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #31

"Strongly favors" doesn't mean anything these days, sorry. djean111 Feb 2015 #37

Of course not in YOUR world view it doesn't.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #40

I am starting to believe you honestly feel no one should have a "world view" that you do not djean111 Feb 2015 #44

I am starting to think that you don't believe Hillary Clinton has a public record of what she has VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #47

Of course you're right, VR. Hillary is a progressive by any definition. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #46

EXACTLY.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #49

So why was there a Civil Rights Act, a Social Security Act, etc? treestar Feb 2015 #21

I totally agree with you, treestar. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #61

wow that's inspiring ND-Dem Feb 2015 #23

How is this for inspiring.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #33

gee, shouldn't this come with a multitude of blue links? bbgrunt Feb 2015 #58

Your bullying of DUers for posting facts is disgusting. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #65

I was waiting for this one treestar Feb 2015 #201

It isn't an issue specific to Hillary, as the articles make it appear. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #26

People can be easily manipulated and it's all about $$$$$. Fox and the RW are very skilled RKP5637 Feb 2015 #5

Many corps will donate to BOTH parties just to deflect - Can anyone here HONESTLY blm Feb 2015 #8

And remember...M$NBC Just fredamae Feb 2015 #9

Uh they haven't announced that.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #34

Yes, thank you-it is my opinion...n/t fredamae Feb 2015 #42

My problem with this and other smears is making a mountain out of a molehill OKNancy Feb 2015 #11

I agree Andy823 Feb 2015 #13

Couldn't Clinton easily dispel these concerns by echoing Warren and Sanders? fbc Feb 2015 #16

Her advisers will tell her when it is okay to parrot Warren and Sanders, okay? djean111 Feb 2015 #22

Her actions speak louder than her words. Whose lobbying as First Lady was critical pnwmom Feb 2015 #29

she can easily dispel it with her own record... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #19

+1 marym625 Feb 2015 #68

Why does no one post the headers when they post this table? Agschmid Feb 2015 #91

Because then they wouldn't be able to lie about what the table means. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #114

Indeed, I always notice that there are NO headers ever when that table is posted. Agschmid Feb 2015 #115

Is the header supposed to be reassuring? progressoid Feb 2015 #192

You skipped part... Agschmid Feb 2015 #194

Why? The employees may not be "rich." treestar Feb 2015 #202

Bwahahahahahahaaa. progressoid Feb 2015 #208

Are you claiming everyone who works for Goldman Sachs treestar Feb 2015 #210

Nope. progressoid Feb 2015 #211

How Funny,,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2015 #30

Just so I understand this inanity whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #35

Oh, just for Hillary. You understand correctly. djean111 Feb 2015 #39

It is applicable when convenient like to attack an actual liberal or of course a TeaPubliKlan TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #54

About sums it up whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #56

so true bbgrunt Feb 2015 #60

And if you notice, there's no refutation of the bare facts of who's donated. Lars39 Feb 2015 #82

Of course not, the only response is spin or flat denials of reality. Conservatives excel at both. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #88

I just hope that no lefties fall for the premise Broward Feb 2015 #45

HDS is alive and well here. riqster Feb 2015 #53

It's not quite "LIES" -- it's disingenuous muckraking. cheapdate Feb 2015 #55

Uh-oh. WSJ just wrote the Earth is round MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #59

I've been a member for 25 years. zappaman Feb 2015 #63

A Reichwinger Tried That On Me Leith Feb 2015 #62

3 things ellennelle Feb 2015 #64

K & R Iliyah Feb 2015 #66

Lots of us recognize them for the right-wing hatchet jobs they are... SidDithers Feb 2015 #67

Yes, Canadians should set DU policy whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #70

As an American (not sure why in the hell that matters, but...) Sid is 100% correct. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #83

You mean whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #85

DU is not limited to Americans treestar Feb 2015 #203

That goes both ways marym625 Feb 2015 #71

Sometimes the poster is a fraud...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #76

Really? marym625 Feb 2015 #77

Sure. What would you call someone who's been banned multiple times... SidDithers Feb 2015 #80

exactly what did I say that has anything to do with that? marym625 Feb 2015 #81

Waffles are real, however you cut them. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #92

A little consistency would be nice, Sid.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #72

plus.1 n/t Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #73

Bashing from the left and bashing from the right have the same result...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #75

Exactly, neither results in any effect on your life Fumesucker Feb 2015 #84

Please provide the link you reference where Sid says a DUer is "too far to the left." SunSeeker Feb 2015 #78

This is the most recent example.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #86

I remember that marym625 Feb 2015 #96

Oh yeah? Well how about an example where Sid wasn't right about it? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #97

That doesn't say woo is "too far to the left." SunSeeker Feb 2015 #98

Personally I think Sid rises to the level of performance art and bit past that Fumesucker Feb 2015 #99

No. He's criticizing the destructive use of GOP propaganda to bash a fellow Dem. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #102

What woo says is a long way indeed from GOP talking points.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #103

Bull. There was a post in GD on 2-14-15 pulled straight from a right wing site. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #107

I've seen Skinner post Andrew Sullivan approvingly.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #108

Skinner cited Sullivan when he was actually telling the truth about Obama. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #109

Wait, I thought we were talking about woo? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #110

We're talking about DUers using right wing propaganda against Dems. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #112

You were talking about woo.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #113

I was responding to your assertion about woo, and disputing your characterization of S id's post. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #117

Well according to his response to me marym625 Feb 2015 #79

does HRC favor corporate coups like xl, TPP, aca, and charter schools? Doctor_J Feb 2015 #69

+1 marym625 Feb 2015 #87

The ACA saved my brother's life. It was not a "corporate coup." SunSeeker Feb 2015 #105

healthcare would also have saved your brothers life. we didn't have to sign over Doctor_J Feb 2015 #171

Bullshit. My brother's pre-existing condition made it impossible for him to get coverage. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #173

voters from 2008 stayed home in 2010 because Obama sold them out on every issue Doctor_J Feb 2015 #174

Obama did a lot for us. We didn't have the votes for a public option, let alone Medicare for All. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #185

XL and TPP I understand your confusion....but the ACA and Charter Schools WTF??? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #204

ACA was written by the heritage foundation. Obama's education scheme continues the Doctor_J Feb 2015 #209

Two questions MFrohike Feb 2015 #89

The Media Matters article is specifically about the receipt of donations from foreign sources. Maedhros Feb 2015 #94

I guess you're trying to make the case obxhead Feb 2015 #101

Oh my god this is so lame. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #104

what did hillary say. a VAST rite wing conspiracy. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #106

"lefties"? progressoid Feb 2015 #111

Lefties is used by Conservatives as a pejorative. Most "Lefties" wear the label proudly. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #188

Yep. progressoid Feb 2015 #191

Especially DINOs, BOGgers, PUMAs, Turd Way, and moles Doctor_J Feb 2015 #193

I'm all for the facts coming out and not distorted by rw hacks or any Hacks for that matter.. Cha Feb 2015 #118

If what they report is false then make that argument. It seems the only argument we see from rhett o rick Feb 2015 #119

+1,000 Scuba Feb 2015 #181

Then you're not paying attention. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #186

Again, I never see anything of substance. Of course Sen Warren is going to be polite rhett o rick Feb 2015 #187

So you're calling Warren a phony liar. Nice. nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #189

BTW, if you "never see anything of substance," it is because you aren't looking. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #190

Doesn't look like there is a lot of money in the Clinton Foundation. Rex Feb 2015 #120

Hillary haters using WSJ and Fox propaganda now? workinclasszero Feb 2015 #176

On any given day just Google the "issue" and "Fox News." joshcryer Feb 2015 #179

Where is the defense of Nader when similar claims are made? nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #206