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In reply to the discussion: DO NOT BE FOOLED!!! [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)But what I do know worries me. Let's be honest. The Democratic Party can not win if the Unions sit out the election. We just can't win gang. Public Sector employees, 35% of them are in unions. Private sector is more than 6% are in unions. Most manufacturing jobs are unionized. All of these are simple factual truths.
How does Hillary win while supporting free trade after the Unions know what happens thanks to free trade agreements like NAFTA and what will happen with the TPP that Hillary also supports? Do we really think that the Unions are going to kick in money, volunteers, and votes over the issue of Gay Marriage or Choice?
Middle Class. Hillary says she's in favor of strengthening the middle class. NAFTA results clearly show that the middle class was hurt by the free trade agreement. So why is Hillary in favor of free trade at the expense of the middle class? How many middle class voters can we afford to lose when Hillary's voting record in the senate and her statements within the last few months are the subject of attack ads?
Away from trade for a moment. Hillary voted for Bankruptcy reform. That was the law that made it damned near impossible for individuals to write off debt during bankruptcy. Has this helped anyone besides the corporations who want to squeeze every dollar out of people they can?
Notice something. I'm giving you serious issues to consider. I'm not saying anything that isn't backed up 100% by unbiased information available to anyone who cares to look for it. Yet, somehow issues won't matter in 2016. Or the election will be decided on the issue of choice, or Gay marriage. Economics remains one of the biggest issues out there for the average person. Coming to them and telling them more free trade will help won't win you the election.
So what happens? A lot of people stay home because they don't see a huge difference between the parties. Or they vote third party. We lose the election because the Republicans are motivated to take back the White House. Then they have both houses of Congress, the White House, and get to pick Supreme Court Justices that make Robert Bork look like an enlightened liberal.
Tell me about the polling. Tell me how Hillary wins on the issues that matter. Tell me how she wins when her pitch is exactly like the one that will be coming from the Republicans regarding free trade. Because I don't see it. Oh, and I was warning people almost a year out that the Senate was in danger. We decided that issues didn't matter in that election, and we ran our campaigns almost exclusively on the war on women. Someone remind me how well that worked.
I don't want Hillary not because of the nonsense. I don't want Hillary to be the nominee because I'm convinced we'll lose. If I'm wrong, I'm happily wrong. If I'm right, we're all miserable. But fuck it. Issues don't matter. Those are for losers. We got name recognition man. Issues mattered in the mid term elections. They'll always matter in elections. It's time we stopped pretending that they don't