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VanillaRhapsody

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167. its not "walls of text"....its FACTS in Public Record...Every ONE of them sourced!
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 12:13 AM
Feb 2015

You understand this....you wrote a Term Paper in High School didn't you? Did you have to cite your sources?

Well here you go...I am citing mine....HRC on Evironment...

$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package

EDWARDS [to Clinton]: One difference between what I have proposed & what my two colleagues have proposed is I have done something that not only stimulates the economy, but creates long-term benefits, investment in green infrastructure, which creates jobs
CLINTON: I do believe that the green-collar job piece of [the economic stimulus package] is important. That’s why I have $5 billion to do it. There are programs already. In Oakland CA, Mayor Dellums is working to have a green-collar job program. We could put hundreds and hundreds of young people to work right now, putting solar panels in, insulating homes. That would give them jobs and it would move us more quickly to a green economy. And I think that if you look at this from a jobs and justice, a stimulation and long-term planning effort, we need to lay down the markers now. We’ve got to hold the line against President Bush with his ill-advised approach to stimulating the economy.
Source: 2008 Congressional Black Caucus Democratic debate , Jan 21, 2008
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain

I voted against Yucca Mountain in 2001. I have been consistently against Yucca Mountain, looking at all the reasons why Yucca Mountain is not workable. The science does not support it. We do have to figure out what to do with nuclear waste. I have consistently and persistently been against Yucca Mountain, and I will make sure it does not come into effect when I’m president.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas , Jan 15, 2008
A comprehensive energy plan as our Apollo moon shot

I have a comprehensive energy plan that does not rely on nuclear power. I have said we should not be siting any more coal-powered plants unless they can have the most modern, clean technology. I want big demonstration projects to figure out how we would capture and sequester carbon. This is going to take a massive effort. This should be our Apollo moon shot. There’s work for everybody to do--the states, communities and individuals. That’s what I want to summon the country to achieve.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas , Jan 15, 2008
Advocate a cap and trade system

I advocate a cap and trade system. What the auction of pollution permits is taking that money and invest in new technologies, new ways of getting to our objectives that I’ve outline inside my energy plan. I want to use some of it to cushion the costs tha will come on to the US consumer. It’s not just enough to tackle global warming, we’ve got to enlist the help of the next generation. My fifth grade teacher said it was to study math and science, but it gave me an idea of contributing to my country.
Source: 2007 Des Moines Register Democratic Debate , Dec 13, 2007
Better track kids’ products for exposures to toxic materials

Q: Toxic chemicals that lace many toys and other products sold in America cause cancer, birth defects and genetic damage. Unlike the European Union, the US does nothing to limit the use of these agents and does not require that the toxic ingredients are listed. What changes will you make, or is this an over-reaction?
A: We don’t do anywhere near enough to try to prevent dangerous materials and products from coming into our country. We don’t even do enough of it within our own country. We have totally turned our back on the information that is available to try to better track the impact on children and others of these kinds of exposures to toxic materials. So, number one, we need tougher standards across the board, something I’ve been advocating for years. Number two, it should be especially applied to any kind of imports, and that requires going and making sure that we have inspectors on the ground and we have tough standards and we exercise recalls.
Source: 2007 Democratic radio debate on NPR , Dec 4, 2007
Support green-collar job training

Q: What policies would you implement to make businesses invest in energy-efficient technologies?
A: I have supported a green building fund and green-collar job training with the AFL-CIO that will put a lot of people too work. And it’s important that we do this, because we can create millions of new jobs.
Source: 2007 AFL-CIO Democratic primary forum , Aug 8, 2007
Put someone in charge of Katrina recovery who actually cares

Q: It’s been nearly two years now since Hurricane Katrina. What is the first thing you would do as president to improve the recovery in New Orleans?
A: Well, the first thing I would do is put somebody in charge who actually cared about the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast and was willing to really do what it took. I outlined a 10-point plan--I can’t say it in 30 seconds--but briefly it is put somebody in charge, make sure that the White House has a system where that person reports to the president, which is what I would expect every single day. And my questions [to the person in charge] would be: What have you done to get the hospitals open? What have you done to get people to move back? What have you done to make sure the levees are strong enough to withstand whatever might come next? We’ve got to recognize rebuilding New Orleans is an American problem, not a New Orleans or Louisiana problem alone.
Source: 2007 AFL-CIO Democratic primary forum , Aug 8, 2007
Overcome almost criminal indifference to Katrina rebuilding

Q: Would you support a federal law guaranteeing the right to return to New Orleans and other Gulf regions devastated by Hurricane Katrina?
KUCINICH: Absolutely. The aftermath underscores everything that’s wrong in this country about race.
GRAVEL: Yes.
CLINTON: I have proposed a 10-point Gulf Coast Recovery Agenda, because it’s sort of as a chicken and an egg issue. First, we’ve got to get the hospitals back up, [then] the law enforcement and the fire departments. This administration has basically neglected with almost criminal indifference the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast, in particular New Orleans and the parishes. Even if we were to give people a right, there is nothing to return to. We have got to rebuild New Orleans, and it’s not only the protection from the levees, it is all the infrastructure.
EDWARDS: This is an issue I care about personally and deeply.
OBAMA: Halliburton or Bechtel getting the contracts to rebuild is a further compounding of the outrage.
Source: 2007 Democratic Primary Debate at Howard University , Jun 28, 2007
Launched EPA study of air quality at Ground Zero

Hillary found her September 11 issue. Workers had worked literally around the clock at Ground Zero, and many complained about hazardous conditions. Hillary began lobbying to persuade Congress to approve money to monitor how the air around Ground Zero affected the lungs of recovery workers. She hired one of the leading experts on occupational hazards, Dr. William Rom. Rom proved that pieces of glass, asbestos fibers, and fly ash had gotten into the lungs of rescue workers. His findings enabled Hillary to land more cooperation from the White House and EPA. Eventually, research revealed that almost 70% of those who worked at Ground Zero had developed lung ailments.
Taking on the air-quality problem was a brilliant move. She successfully carved out a post-September 11 issue that played to her strengths while also meeting the needs of her constituents. Along the way it also created some space between her and the Bush administration and an opportunity to return to the base of her party.
Source: Her Way, by Jeff Gerth & Don Van Natta, p.238-239 , Jun 8, 2007
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection

The Humane Society 109th Congress Scorecard on animal protection scored Clinton 100+ out of 100, based on:
Clinton co-sponsored the Horse Slaughter Prevention Act (S.1915): To bar slaughtering horses for human consumption. Bill had 34 co-sponsors.
Clinton voted for the Horse Slaughter Amendment (9/20/2005): to stop export of horses for slaughter.
Clinton co-sponsored the Animal Fighting Prohibition Act (S.382): To criminalize dogfighting & cockfighting. The bill had 51 cosponsors & passed unanimously on 4/28/2005.
Clinton co-sponsored the Downed Animal Protection Act (S.1779): to ban “downed” (unable to walk to slaughter) cattle, pigs & sheep in human food. Bill had 26 cosponsors.
Clinton signed the Funding Letter to the Agriculture Appropriations Subcommittee: seeking funds for the Animal Welfare Act, Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, & federal animal fighting law. The letter was cosigned by 44 senators & sent on 5/25/2006.
Clinton took leadership on animal protection.
Source: Humane Society 109th Congress Scorecard, www.fund.org , Jan 31, 2007
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA

I have worked on behalf of children’s health and the environment, I’ve stood for clean air and worked in the administration to deal with problems from asthma to trying to figure out the possible environmental causes and correlations with breast cancer, but my opponent, on the other hand, stood against funding the EPA to the extent that was needed to do the job that’s required, was in the forefront of so-called regulatory reform, which would have gutted our environmental bills.
Source: Clinton-Lazio debate, Buffalo NY , Sep 13, 2000
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health

Poor air quality has been linked to many respiratory ailments, including asthma. That’s why last summer the President announced. new standards for smog and soot [which] will safeguard millions of Americans in urban areas, including 35 million children, from the adverse health effects of breathing polluted air. No longer will governmental agencies set air, water or food quality standards without taking the special threat to children into consideration.
Source: “Talking It Over” column , Jun 10, 1998
Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations.

A joint resolution disapproving the rule submitted by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on March 15, 2005, relating to the removal of coal- and oil-fired electric generating units from the list of major sources of hazardous air pollutants under the Clean Air Act. The EPA's Clean Air Mercury Rule:
Limits smokestack emissions in a two-phase program founded on a market based capping system
Calls for the first cap to limit mercury emissions to 38 tons in 2010
Requires the second and final cap to begin in 2018 and stay fix at 15 tons
Reference: EPA's Clean Air Mercury Rule; Bill S J Res 20 ; vote number 2005-225 on Sep 13, 2005
Voted NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior.

Vote to confirm the nomination of Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. [Ms. Norton generally favors conservative or libertarian stances on the environment.]
Reference: Bill Confirmation vote ; vote number 2001-6 on Jan 30, 2001
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles.

Clinton signed a letter to EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman:
Dear Administrator Whitman:
We would like to convey our strong support for EPA’s proposal to remove sediment contaminated by polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) from the “hot spots” in the upper Hudson River. This clean-up plan is a crucial first step towards restoring the Hudson’s tremendous social, ecological, and economic value for the people of NY and NJ.
The Hudson River has been designated as an American Heritage River. Unfortunately, since 1983, 200 miles of the Hudson have also been designated as a Superfund site due to the damage caused by the estimated 1.3 million pounds of PCBs released by General Electric Company.
PCBs pose a serious threat to public health; they are probable human carcinogens and are known to cause neurological, reproductive, and endocrine disorders. Since 1976, because of PCB contamination, women of childbearing age and children [have been advised] not to eat any fish from any location along the Hudson. Unfortunately, low-income and subsistence fishermen and their families continue to consume fish contaminated with PCBs.
This contamination also adversely impacts longstanding commercial, recreational, and cultural activities on the Hudson River. For example, the commercial striped bass fishery was once a $40 million a year industry. However, due to PCB contamination, the state closed the fishery in 1976, all but ending a way of life along the river.
Environmental dredging in the Hudson will allow future dredging to ensure commercial craft continue to ply the waters of the upper Hudson River, and reduce the adverse affects of PCBs on the aquatic ecosystem. This means EPA’s remediation plan is a critical first step in reducing threats to public health, reviving local economies, reopening recreational opportunities and reinvigorating cultural ties along the river.
Source: Letter to EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman 01-EPA1 on Apr 6, 2001
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes.

Clinton scores 89% by the LCV on environmental issues
The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) is the political voice of the national environmental movement and the only organization devoted full-time to shaping a pro-environment Congress and White House. We run tough and effective campaigns to defeat anti-environment candidates, and support those leaders who stand up for a clean, healthy future for America. Through our National Environmental Scorecard and Presidential Report Card we hold Congress and the Administration accountable for their actions on the environment. Through regional offices, we build coalitions, promote grassroots power, and train the next generation of environmental leaders. The 2003 National Environmental Scorecard provides objective, factual information about the environmental voting records of all Members of the first session of the 108th Congress. This Scorecard represents the consensus of experts from 20 respected environmental and conservation organizations who selected the key votes on which Members of Congress should be graded. LCV scores votes on the most important issues of the year, including environmental health and safety protections, resource conservation, and spending for environmental programs. Scores are calculated by dividing the number of pro-environment votes by the total number of votes scored. The votes included in this Scorecard presented Members of Congress with a real choice on protecting the environment and help distinguish which legislators are working for environmental protection. Except in rare circumstances, the Scorecard excludes consensus action on the environment and issues on which no recorded votes occurred.
Source: LCV website 03n-LCV on Dec 31, 2003
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up.

Clinton signed a letter from 45 Senators to EPA
To: Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Dear Administrator Leavitt:
We are writing to urge you to take prompt and effective action to clean up mercury pollution from power plants. The EPA’s current proposals on mercury fall far short of what the law requires, and they fail to protect the health of our children and our environment. We ask you to carry out the requirements of the Clean Air Act to protect our nation from toxic mercury contamination.
On January 30, 2004, EPA proposed two alternative rules to address mercury emissions. Unfortunately, both of these proposals fail to meet the Clean Air Act directives for cleaning up mercury. EPA's proposals permit far more mercury pollution, and for years longer, than the Clean Air Act allows.
The toxicity of mercury has been proven time and again by scientists around the world. The Agency's own scientists just released a study finding that approximately 630,000 infants were born in the US in the 12-month period, 1999-2000, with blood mercury levels higher than what is considered safe. This is a doubling of previous estimates.
The newest scientific studies show that controlling mercury emissions works. As we saw in Florida, sharp reductions in mercury pollution are mirrored by reductions in nearby fish populations. A study in northern Wisconsin indicated that reductions in the input of mercury from air corresponded with marked reductions in mercury fish tissue levels in the 1990s.
As the Administrator of the EPA, you have the legal authority and the responsibility to address mercury emissions and protect public health. We do not believe that EPA's current proposals are sufficient or defensible. We urge you to withdraw the entire proposed rule package and re-propose a rule for adequate public comment that meets the terms of the 1998 settlement agreement and is promulgated by the December 15, 2004 deadline.
Source: Letter from 45 Senators to EPA 04-SEN1 on Apr 1, 2004
Sponsored bill for tax credit to remove lead-based paint.

Clinton sponsored giving tax credit to remove lead-based housepaint
OFFICIAL CONGRESSIONAL SUMMARY: Allows a tax credit for 50% of the costs of reducing lead hazards in U.S. homes built before 1960 in which certain low-income children less than six years of age and women of child-bearing age reside. Allows a maximum credit of $3,000 for lead abatement costs and $1,000 for the cost of interim lead control measures.
EXCERPTS OF BILL:
Congress finds that:
Of the 98 million housing units in the United States, 38 million have lead-based paint.
Of the 38 million housing units with lead-based paint, 25 million pose a hazard due to conditions such as peeling paint and settled dust on floors and windowsills that contain lead at levels above Federal safety standards.
Lead poisoning remains a serious, entirely preventable threat to a child's intelligence, behavior, and learning.
The Administration has established a national goal of ending childhood lead poisoning by 2010.
Current Federal lead abatement programs only have resources sufficient to make approximately 7,000 homes lead-safe each year.
The replacement of old windows that contain lead based paint significantly reduces lead poisoning hazards in addition to producing significant energy savings.
Childhood lead poisoning can be dramatically reduced by the abatement or complete removal of all lead-based paint.
There shall be allowed as a tax credit, an amount equal to 50% of the lead hazard reduction activity cost paid, up to $1,000 per year for certain activities and $3,000 per year for other activities.
LEGISLATIVE OUTCOME:Referred to Senate Committee on Finance; never came to a vote.
Source: Home Lead Safety Tax Credit Act (S.2053/H.R.4464) 05-S2053 on Nov 18, 2005

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Sponsored bill for commission to examine Katrina response.

Clinton sponsored establishing commission to examine Katrina response
OFFICIAL CONGRESSIONAL SUMMARY: To establish a congressional commission to examine the Federal, State, and local response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina in the Gulf Region, especially in the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and other areas impacted in the aftermath, and make immediate corrective measures to improve such responses in the future.
EXCERPTS OF AMENDMENT:
There is established in the legislative branch the Katrina Commission:
The Commission shall be composed of 10 members, with not more than 5 members from any one political party.
Individuals appointed should enjoy significant depth of experience in such professions as natural disaster and emergency response experience.
The duties of the Commission are to ascertain, evaluate, and report on the information developed by all relevant governmental agencies regarding the facts and circumstances related to Hurricane Katrina prior to striking the United States and in the days and weeks following;
build upon concurrent and prior investigations;
planning for future cataclysmic events requiring a significant marshaling of Federal resources, mitigation, response, and recovery to avoid significant loss of life;
an analysis as to whether any decisions differed with respect to response and recovery for different communities, neighborhoods, parishes, and locations and what problems occurred as a result of a lack of a common plan, communication structure, and centralized command structure; and
make recommendations for immediate corrective measures so that future cataclysmic events are responded to adequately.
LEGISLATIVE OUTCOME:Rollcall vote #229; lost 44-54.
Source: Establishment of Katrina Commission (S.AMDT.1660 to HR.2862) 05-SP1660 on Sep 8, 2005
Sponsored health impact bill for environmental health.

Clinton introduced for health impact assessments for environmental health
OnTheIssues.org Explanation: A classic 1980s study demonstrated that poor neighborhoods are burdened with more environmental hazards than rich neighborhoods. The 1980s study established the field of "environmental justice"; this bill addresses environmental justice and health justice.
OFFICIAL CONGRESSIONAL SUMMARY: A bill to require health impact assessments and take other actions to improve health and the environmental quality of communities, and for other purposes.
SPONSOR'S INTRODUCTORY REMARKS: Sen. OBAMA: The Healthy Places Act of 2006 focuses on the built environment, which includes our homes, parks, and transportation systems. Like many other States, Illinois has already begun to take steps to improve the environment. City leaders in Chicago have recognized that many low-income families have no access to fresh foods and medicine because there are no grocery stores and pharmacies in their neighborhoods. Retail Chicago, an initiative of the city's Department of Planning and Development, is now using redevelopment funds to entice local developers to bring grocery stores and pharmacies into these neighborhoods.
The Healthy Places Act of 2006 would expand these and other efforts to improve the planning and design of communities that can promote healthier living. It establishes and supports health impact assessment programs; better addressing environmental health issues; and creating a grant program to address environmental health hazards, particularly those that contribute to health disparities. Finally, the Healthy Places Act provides additional support for research on the relationship between the built environment and the health status of residents.
LEGISLATIVE OUTCOME:Referred to Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions; never came to a vote.
Source: Healthy Places Act (S.2506/H.R.5088) 06-S2506 on Apr 4, 2006
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act.

Clinton co-sponsored grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act
Beach Protection Act of 2008 - Amends the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (popularly known as the Clean Water Act) to include among eligible grant activities the development and implementation of programs for source tracking, sanitary surveys, and prevention efforts to address the identified sources of beach water pollution. Requires grant recipients to identify:
the use of a rapid testing method;
measures for communication within 24 hours of the results of a water sample concerning pollutants to specified officials with authority to require the prevention or treatment of the sources of beach water pollution;
measures to develop and implement a beach water pollution source identification and tracking program for the coastal recreation waters that are not meeting applicable water quality standards for pathogens; and
a publicly accessible and searchable global information system database with information updated within 24 hours of its availability, organized by beach and with defined standards, sampling plan, monitoring protocols, sampling results, and number and cause of beach closing and advisory days.
Legislative Outcome: Related bills: H.R.2537, S.1506. Senate Reports: 110-414.
Source: Beach Protection Act (S.2844) 08-S2844 on Apr 10, 2008
Inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources.

Clinton co-sponsored inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources
A joint resolution expressing the approval of Congress to an inter-state compact regarding water resources. In the Great Lakes--St. Lawrence River Basin Water Resources Compact the Congress finds that:
The Waters of the Basin are precious public natural resources shared and held in trust by the States;
The Waters of the Basin are interconnected and part of a single hydrologic system;
The Waters of the Basin can concurrently serve multiple uses. Such multiple uses include industrial, agriculture, mining, navigation, energy development and production, recreation, and the maintenance of fish and wildlife habitat.
Future Diversions and Consumptive Uses of Basin Water resources have the potential to significantly impact the environment and economy.
Purposes of the inter-state compact: To act together to protect, conserve, restore, improve and effectively manage the Waters and Water Dependent Natural Resources of the Basin under appropriate arrangements for intergovernmental cooperation and consultation;
To remove causes of present and future controversies;
To promote interstate and State-Provincial comity; and,
To promote an Adaptive Management approach to the conservation and management of Basin Water resources, which provides adjustments for the uncertainties in scientific knowledge concerning the Basin's Waters and Water Dependent Natural Resources.
Legislative Outcome: Passed Senate by Unanimous Consent.
Source: Great Lakes Water Resources Compact (S.J.RES.45) 08-SJR45 on Jul 23, 2008
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting.

Clinton co-sponsored strengthening prohibitions against animal fighting
Sen. CANTWELL. I reintroduce today the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act of 2007. This legislation has won the unanimous approval of the Senate several times, but unfortunately has not yet reached the finish line.
There is no doubt, animal fighting is terribly cruel. Dogs and roosters are drugged to make them hyper-aggressive and forced to keep fighting even after suffering severe injuries such as punctured eyes and pierced lungs. It's all done for "entertainment" and illegal gambling. Some dogfighters steal pets to use as bait for training their dogs, while others allow trained fighting dogs to roam neighborhoods and endanger the public.
The Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act will strengthen current law by making the interstate transport of animals for the purpose of fighting a felony and increase the punishment to three years of jail time. This is necessary because the current misdemeanor penalty has proven ineffective--considered a "cost of doing business" by those in the animal fighting industry which continues unabated nationwide.
These enterprises depend on interstate commerce, as evidenced by the animal fighting magazines that advertise and promote them. Our bill also makes it a felony to move cockfighting implements in interstate or foreign commerce. These are razor-sharp knives known as "slashers" and ice pick-like gaffs designed exclusively for cockfights and attached to the birds' legs for fighting.
This is long overdue legislation. It's time to get this felony animal fighting language enacted. It's time for Congress to strengthen the federal law so that it can provide as a meaningful deterrent against animal fighting. Our legislation does not expand the federal government's reach into a new area, but simply aims to make current law more effective. It is explicitly limited to interstate and foreign commerce, so it protects states' rights in the two states where cockfighting is still allowed.
Source: Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act (S.261/H.R.137) 2007-S261 on Jan 4, 2007

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Can you imagine all the lost media ad revenue if The Game is over before half time? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #1
So sad that even on on DU Hillary haters have to resort to FAUX to make their "case." MoonRiver Feb 2015 #2
And some RW media website "pledges" a million dollars....same apoleptic response. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #3
Yeah shenmue Feb 2015 #6
Absolutely! MoonRiver Feb 2015 #7
You mean the same Faux Nooz, whose owner held fundraisers for her in 2008? Fuddnik Feb 2015 #52
Hillary's ties to lobbyists aren't a right-wing creation Enrique Feb 2015 #4
Oh noes! Hillary only gets her money from poor people and, um, angels. djean111 Feb 2015 #10
Criticizing her for big corporate donors is silly treestar Feb 2015 #12
And then, of course, we are admonished that OF COURSE the elected one has to please their big djean111 Feb 2015 #15
How can they "please" them? treestar Feb 2015 #20
I do not buy that lessening regulations on wall Street will avoid a recession. djean111 Feb 2015 #24
who could this be... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #129
You invented all that stuff treestar Feb 2015 #178
How has Hillary claimed she want to regulate them less? treestar Feb 2015 #195
there is a way to fix that.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #28
Oh, I don't think Hillary is going to regulate Wall Street. Which vote are you referring to? djean111 Feb 2015 #32
"you don't think" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #38
No, not when she gives speeches to banks saying we are just being mean to them. djean111 Feb 2015 #41
She gives lots of speeches....and she raises money for lots of philanthropic causes too... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #43
Oh good grief. This is my last response to you today. "lots of speeches" - which is where you get djean111 Feb 2015 #48
Of course it is....when you have no evidence to support your theory....that is what one does... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #50
... The good old fashioned announced ignore. Agschmid Feb 2015 #90
What speech? treestar Feb 2015 #196
I think "we" is us stupid liberal Lefties. djean111 Feb 2015 #198
sounds like an opinionated summary treestar Feb 2015 #205
Not alone in their opinion. djean111 Feb 2015 #207
Protip MFrohike Feb 2015 #74
No it doesn't ....none of her supporters consider her to be "some kind of Liberal Jesus" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #93
Well, no MFrohike Feb 2015 #116
My point is...her record shows she IS a Liberal Democrat. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #121
See, that's your problem MFrohike Feb 2015 #122
You see.....its not a problem... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #123
Not so much, no MFrohike Feb 2015 #124
OHHHH you want evidence.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #125
Heh MFrohike Feb 2015 #131
Oh I've read it...its you that needs to!... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #134
If you say so MFrohike Feb 2015 #137
Yeah I say so....and I have public records to prove it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #140
Except you don't MFrohike Feb 2015 #144
Except I DO....those are all documented! READING is fundamental VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #146
Cool MFrohike Feb 2015 #148
and that is just ONE of many many many just like it that i have to support my contentions... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #150
In other words.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #136
Cool MFrohike Feb 2015 #139
damn skippy.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #141
It could be that MFrohike Feb 2015 #143
Oh thats what you think? Could be that you have a preconceived notion based on VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #145
It could be MFrohike Feb 2015 #147
Or it could be that you wouldn't know what documented public records were...if they jumped up and VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #149
You must be tired MFrohike Feb 2015 #152
actually I am not....I am posting the actual record of this LIBERAL Democrat. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #157
I finally get it MFrohike Feb 2015 #159
No not "JUST" economic matters....OVERALL the woman is a Liberal Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #161
Well, make the argument MFrohike Feb 2015 #164
its not "walls of text"....its FACTS in Public Record...Every ONE of them sourced! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #167
Oh man, now you're condescending MFrohike Feb 2015 #172
No indentation and no punctuation.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #175
You're doing it wrong MFrohike Feb 2015 #177
In Summary VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #126
In summary MFrohike Feb 2015 #132
I have read my evidence thank you....it proves exactly what I am saying... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #151
Read the Social Security section MFrohike Feb 2015 #153
I have read it...thanks... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #155
No she does not, or more likely pretends not to /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #128
You got evidence of that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #130
Why yes, you. You are the evidence /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #158
no but I DO have the evidence.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #160
Have you ever tried making this claim to a Republican? treestar Feb 2015 #197
Sigh MFrohike Feb 2015 #199
Bravo deutsey Feb 2015 #213
When she pulls that stuff out, it is best to give up discussing the content with her Dragonfli Feb 2015 #100
Except my arguments stem from actual facts..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #127
This is kind of fun MFrohike Feb 2015 #135
badly reasoned arguments? I just laid out abortion in response to another post...lets move on to VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #138
hahahahahahhahahahahahahaha MFrohike Feb 2015 #142
Oh looks like you need another topic...lets see... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #154
Woo MFrohike Feb 2015 #162
Woo my butt.....the public record is there... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #163
At least I picked MFrohike Feb 2015 #166
I didn't have to "pick" its public record...AND sourced... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #168
Comedy MFrohike Feb 2015 #170
Well there ya go, have fun with that Dragonfli Feb 2015 #156
and you have something that supports this in public record do you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #165
Why yes, you just posted it, thanks for that by the way. /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #169
Item #1 is OpEd: Disagrees with progressives on corporatism & military. (Dec 2014)  TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #180
that is not the full record though is it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #182
and here you go... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #183
Perhaps you should read further...its about a "total score" what we Democrats like to call a RECORD. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #184
Well then how about criticizing her for this. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #27
Exactly not even Obama.... Historic NY Feb 2015 #51
Criticizing ONLY her would be silly. Orsino Feb 2015 #57
Just how do you expect someone pure enough to get elected? treestar Feb 2015 #200
I don't buy that framing. Orsino Feb 2015 #212
Downplaying its importance is legitimate argumentation. Calling it "LIES" is, itself, a lie. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #95
Poor people don't donate to candidates. They need to eat. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #14
I do not see Hillary as "relatively progressive". She is not for anything progressive, IMO, before djean111 Feb 2015 #17
Care to answer my question? nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #18
Your question, with the "besides Hillary" part, is illogical or something. False premise. djean111 Feb 2015 #25
Oh really? Whats so "NOT at all Progressive" about this record? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #133
Not for anything "relatively progressive"? Really now? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #31
"Strongly favors" doesn't mean anything these days, sorry. djean111 Feb 2015 #37
Of course not in YOUR world view it doesn't.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #40
I am starting to believe you honestly feel no one should have a "world view" that you do not djean111 Feb 2015 #44
I am starting to think that you don't believe Hillary Clinton has a public record of what she has VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #47
Of course you're right, VR. Hillary is a progressive by any definition. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #46
EXACTLY.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #49
So why was there a Civil Rights Act, a Social Security Act, etc? treestar Feb 2015 #21
I totally agree with you, treestar. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #61
wow that's inspiring ND-Dem Feb 2015 #23
How is this for inspiring.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #33
gee, shouldn't this come with a multitude of blue links? bbgrunt Feb 2015 #58
Your bullying of DUers for posting facts is disgusting. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #65
I was waiting for this one treestar Feb 2015 #201
It isn't an issue specific to Hillary, as the articles make it appear. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #26
People can be easily manipulated and it's all about $$$$$. Fox and the RW are very skilled RKP5637 Feb 2015 #5
Many corps will donate to BOTH parties just to deflect - Can anyone here HONESTLY blm Feb 2015 #8
And remember...M$NBC Just fredamae Feb 2015 #9
Uh they haven't announced that.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #34
Yes, thank you-it is my opinion...n/t fredamae Feb 2015 #42
My problem with this and other smears is making a mountain out of a molehill OKNancy Feb 2015 #11
I agree Andy823 Feb 2015 #13
Couldn't Clinton easily dispel these concerns by echoing Warren and Sanders? fbc Feb 2015 #16
Her advisers will tell her when it is okay to parrot Warren and Sanders, okay? djean111 Feb 2015 #22
Her actions speak louder than her words. Whose lobbying as First Lady was critical pnwmom Feb 2015 #29
she can easily dispel it with her own record... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #19
+1 marym625 Feb 2015 #68
Why does no one post the headers when they post this table? Agschmid Feb 2015 #91
Because then they wouldn't be able to lie about what the table means. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #114
Indeed, I always notice that there are NO headers ever when that table is posted. Agschmid Feb 2015 #115
Is the header supposed to be reassuring? progressoid Feb 2015 #192
You skipped part... Agschmid Feb 2015 #194
Why? The employees may not be "rich." treestar Feb 2015 #202
Bwahahahahahahaaa. progressoid Feb 2015 #208
Are you claiming everyone who works for Goldman Sachs treestar Feb 2015 #210
Nope. progressoid Feb 2015 #211
How Funny,,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2015 #30
Just so I understand this inanity whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #35
Oh, just for Hillary. You understand correctly. djean111 Feb 2015 #39
It is applicable when convenient like to attack an actual liberal or of course a TeaPubliKlan TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #54
About sums it up whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #56
so true bbgrunt Feb 2015 #60
And if you notice, there's no refutation of the bare facts of who's donated. Lars39 Feb 2015 #82
Of course not, the only response is spin or flat denials of reality. Conservatives excel at both. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #88
I just hope that no lefties fall for the premise Broward Feb 2015 #45
HDS is alive and well here. riqster Feb 2015 #53
It's not quite "LIES" -- it's disingenuous muckraking. cheapdate Feb 2015 #55
Uh-oh. WSJ just wrote the Earth is round MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #59
I've been a member for 25 years. zappaman Feb 2015 #63
A Reichwinger Tried That On Me Leith Feb 2015 #62
3 things ellennelle Feb 2015 #64
K & R Iliyah Feb 2015 #66
Lots of us recognize them for the right-wing hatchet jobs they are... SidDithers Feb 2015 #67
Yes, Canadians should set DU policy whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #70
As an American (not sure why in the hell that matters, but...) Sid is 100% correct. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #83
You mean whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #85
DU is not limited to Americans treestar Feb 2015 #203
That goes both ways marym625 Feb 2015 #71
Sometimes the poster is a fraud...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #76
Really? marym625 Feb 2015 #77
Sure. What would you call someone who's been banned multiple times... SidDithers Feb 2015 #80
exactly what did I say that has anything to do with that? marym625 Feb 2015 #81
Waffles are real, however you cut them. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #92
A little consistency would be nice, Sid.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #72
plus.1 n/t Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #73
Bashing from the left and bashing from the right have the same result...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #75
Exactly, neither results in any effect on your life Fumesucker Feb 2015 #84
Please provide the link you reference where Sid says a DUer is "too far to the left." SunSeeker Feb 2015 #78
This is the most recent example.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #86
I remember that marym625 Feb 2015 #96
Oh yeah? Well how about an example where Sid wasn't right about it? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #97
That doesn't say woo is "too far to the left." SunSeeker Feb 2015 #98
Personally I think Sid rises to the level of performance art and bit past that Fumesucker Feb 2015 #99
No. He's criticizing the destructive use of GOP propaganda to bash a fellow Dem. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #102
What woo says is a long way indeed from GOP talking points.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #103
Bull. There was a post in GD on 2-14-15 pulled straight from a right wing site. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #107
I've seen Skinner post Andrew Sullivan approvingly.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #108
Skinner cited Sullivan when he was actually telling the truth about Obama. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #109
Wait, I thought we were talking about woo? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #110
We're talking about DUers using right wing propaganda against Dems. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #112
You were talking about woo.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #113
I was responding to your assertion about woo, and disputing your characterization of S id's post. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #117
Well according to his response to me marym625 Feb 2015 #79
does HRC favor corporate coups like xl, TPP, aca, and charter schools? Doctor_J Feb 2015 #69
+1 marym625 Feb 2015 #87
The ACA saved my brother's life. It was not a "corporate coup." SunSeeker Feb 2015 #105
healthcare would also have saved your brothers life. we didn't have to sign over Doctor_J Feb 2015 #171
Bullshit. My brother's pre-existing condition made it impossible for him to get coverage. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #173
voters from 2008 stayed home in 2010 because Obama sold them out on every issue Doctor_J Feb 2015 #174
Obama did a lot for us. We didn't have the votes for a public option, let alone Medicare for All. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #185
XL and TPP I understand your confusion....but the ACA and Charter Schools WTF??? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #204
ACA was written by the heritage foundation. Obama's education scheme continues the Doctor_J Feb 2015 #209
Two questions MFrohike Feb 2015 #89
The Media Matters article is specifically about the receipt of donations from foreign sources. Maedhros Feb 2015 #94
I guess you're trying to make the case obxhead Feb 2015 #101
Oh my god this is so lame. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #104
what did hillary say. a VAST rite wing conspiracy. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #106
"lefties"? progressoid Feb 2015 #111
Lefties is used by Conservatives as a pejorative. Most "Lefties" wear the label proudly. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #188
Yep. progressoid Feb 2015 #191
Especially DINOs, BOGgers, PUMAs, Turd Way, and moles Doctor_J Feb 2015 #193
I'm all for the facts coming out and not distorted by rw hacks or any Hacks for that matter.. Cha Feb 2015 #118
If what they report is false then make that argument. It seems the only argument we see from rhett o rick Feb 2015 #119
+1,000 Scuba Feb 2015 #181
Then you're not paying attention. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #186
Again, I never see anything of substance. Of course Sen Warren is going to be polite rhett o rick Feb 2015 #187
So you're calling Warren a phony liar. Nice. nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #189
BTW, if you "never see anything of substance," it is because you aren't looking. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #190
Doesn't look like there is a lot of money in the Clinton Foundation. Rex Feb 2015 #120
Hillary haters using WSJ and Fox propaganda now? workinclasszero Feb 2015 #176
On any given day just Google the "issue" and "Fox News." joshcryer Feb 2015 #179
Where is the defense of Nader when similar claims are made? nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #206
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