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Ken Burch

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76. Flamebait for flamebait's sake.

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:30 PM

Feb 2015

If the party wants to win consistently, it needs to accept that it has an obligation to actively work to increase vpter turnout and to give nonvoters a reason to start voting.

Democrats can't win if we all take your "you peasants HAVE to vote for us, and you have no right to expect anything in return" attitude.

No one OWES it to us to vote. And the more nonvoters we can turn into voters by actually supporting things THEY want, the better our odds of holding the White House and flipping Congress are.

Nobody is that social issues "don't matter". What a lot of people whose votes we could get but don't are saying s "social issues are important, but not so important that they excuse right-wing policies on economics, foreign/military policy, thedeath penalty and the role of corporations in American life". We don't want to go bacj to the Nineties, when eight years of a Democratic president generally governing as a conservative were excused by "it's enough that he's pro-choice, and think of the Court".

Besides, we all know that no Democratic president elected in 2016 will be allowed to put anyone on the Court.

We all want the Dems to win...but it's useless to win as bland centrists.

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I Truly Believe That There Are People Who Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton [View all] MineralMan Feb 2015 OP

You can see quite a few of them in this thread: Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #1

I've been seeing them a lot lately. MineralMan Feb 2015 #3

Thney would be willing to cede the WH to the Republicans... Historic NY Feb 2015 #28

So it seems. I'm not willing for that to happen. MineralMan Feb 2015 #31

I think many assume these posters actually vote for Democrats. I've never made that assumption. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #81

Very interesting. MineralMan Feb 2015 #88

Great post! leftofcool Feb 2015 #2

Thanks for being part of the true Democratic base! MineralMan Feb 2015 #4

Nice callout. If you want my vote, you're going to have to select someone worth voting for. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #5

Did you think my post was a call-out of you, personally? MineralMan Feb 2015 #6

That is a ridiculous notion. Callouts can be collective. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #11

I walked our dogs earlier. After half a block, they were MineralMan Feb 2015 #15

This is a ridiculous notion of a call-out. nt pnwmom Feb 2015 #71

"Select someone worth voting for" Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #7

No we don't. Back to school with you. Please read up on who comprises the electoral college. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #14

No one said anything about the presidential run, the primary run is what this poster is talking uponit7771 Feb 2015 #19

I know how it works. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #20

When WE vote WE win... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #52

w.a.d Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #8

Hey Skp. I am not a one issue voter, I have many reasons I won't vote for Hillary. Autumn Feb 2015 #10

The funny thing is, Autumn... NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #13

I love Hillary. She's a wonderful woman and has done some awesome things Autumn Feb 2015 #39

+10000! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #47

+1000 nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #63

jury result melm00se Feb 2015 #45

Hmmm... 99Forever Feb 2015 #49

Not my alert. I do not alert on posts that reply to my posts. MineralMan Feb 2015 #53

Interesting. I'm advocating for a better Democrat but it gets an alert. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #66

You played that one every way possible, didn't you? bluedigger Feb 2015 #82

I'm with you, NYC_SKP. ladyVet Feb 2015 #84

I will do what I can during the primary process to select someone else. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2015 #9

We should all do that, I think. MineralMan Feb 2015 #12

I don't vote selfishly, I vote for who will be best for our country... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #16

Thank you for your common sense approach. MineralMan Feb 2015 #18

Way too much at stake. Funny thing is... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #23

Well, my current annual income certainly wouldn't put me MineralMan Feb 2015 #25

Another good reason for me never to vote Republican... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #29

I Believe A lot Of Independents Especially Women Will Vote For Hillary... Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #17

I suspect that you're right about that. MineralMan Feb 2015 #21

I suspect not. Dems to Win Feb 2015 #83

Yes Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2015 #60

An unanswered question is whether it will cut the other way. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #69

Good OP. Honestly, I don't think there will be that many liberals sitting out. DanTex Feb 2015 #22

I certainly hope not. MineralMan Feb 2015 #24

I'm currently uncommitted to a primary candidate*, but... greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #26

I won't because I think she'll lose to a Repub. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #27

So, you won't vote for her, because a Republican might win? MineralMan Feb 2015 #32

Me too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #35

I think confirmation bias is at work here. MineralMan Feb 2015 #36

She runs. We lose. Android3.14 Feb 2015 #30

See, the thing is that there are 435 reasons to try to MineralMan Feb 2015 #33

Unless there is a change of message, we lose Android3.14 Feb 2015 #38

You refer to the Democrats as "they." MineralMan Feb 2015 #43

The Dems haven't felt like a "we" party in a long-long time Android3.14 Feb 2015 #46

The problem is that the millennials, and especially the young black millennials GuntherGebelWilliams Feb 2015 #41

Depends on which millennials you talk to. MineralMan Feb 2015 #44

I know a lot of them as well Android3.14 Feb 2015 #48

None of my three children or their SO's, all millennials, will vote for Hillary. Ikonoklast Feb 2015 #78

All the OP's on this reinforce my belief that the goal of both parties is a Republican in 2016. woo me with science Feb 2015 #34

Results of elections matter to people. MineralMan Feb 2015 #37

You're arguing a strawman and avoiding the actual content of my post. woo me with science Feb 2015 #65

+1000 snot Feb 2015 #70

You cannot post that list often enough woo. hifiguy Feb 2015 #87

Boxes: TBF Feb 2015 #40

Even the DNC can see the defeat coming Android3.14 Feb 2015 #42

I think it's too early to be having this discussion daredtowork Feb 2015 #50

People will vote in the general election still_one Feb 2015 #51

I will vote for the Democratic Candidate in the general election Gothmog Feb 2015 #54

We should all care very much who is appointed to SCOTUS. MineralMan Feb 2015 #55

Excellent OP, MineralMan. I agree 110%. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #56

Thank you. MineralMan Feb 2015 #58

You're welcome. Well deserved. Again, excellent OP. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #62

I've never voted for a nominee that was my actual first choice nor one I particularly liked Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #57

Good parallel. Beef or Chicken. MineralMan Feb 2015 #59

"Political purity" is shit. The only thing that counts is WINNING DinahMoeHum Feb 2015 #61

+1. Thanks! MineralMan Feb 2015 #68

Try to consider other people's experiences jeff47 Feb 2015 #64

I'd give you the same advice. MineralMan Feb 2015 #67

No, I don't want more Republicans. I want actual Democrats jeff47 Feb 2015 #77

Your last paragraph was Nader's basic argument in 2000. pnwmom Feb 2015 #72

And keeping us at the bottom won't change that. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #74

5 Million US Dollars Cash, 20’s and 10’s erstickendarauf Feb 2015 #73

No worries. I don't have the money, and have no idea MineralMan Feb 2015 #75

Flamebait for flamebait's sake. Ken Burch Feb 2015 #76

I believe so too. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #79

Why Do Democrats Always Have To Settle For Corporate Candidates? cantbeserious Feb 2015 #80

Mine is always a protest vote. LiberalAndProud Feb 2015 #85

If the polling here in Minnesota is very close hifiguy Feb 2015 #86

Yes, there are people that will vote for HRC and some that won't. Rex Feb 2015 #89