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knitter4democracy

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117. I don't see him going that far.

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:57 PM

Feb 2015

The problems he ran into when he ran it, though, were legion because so many constantly second-guessed him and refused to implement all of his plans the way they should have. If he were in charge again, he would have to have the blessing of those who hate him, and I'm thinking that's why he said that.

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Democratic Party is losing voters because it has lost its way: internal report [View all] derby378 Feb 2015 OP

Since the DNC is a big part of the problem that report will gather dust tularetom Feb 2015 #1

what you said, But I will name names. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2015 #3

Why? Current leadership is meeting all their goals. daleanime Feb 2015 #39

You are correct, the Third Way's goals are vastly different from the PEOPLE'S goals, they are way sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #49

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Feb 2015 #125

+1 Segami Feb 2015 #171

If their goal was to lose the Senate and fail twice to regain the House they've done well tularetom Feb 2015 #60

Their goal is a simple one - hifiguy Feb 2015 #89

Yes they have. I don't think they care who wins, so long as their Wall St policies are protected. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #173

goals = fund raising targets most likely nt TheFarseer Feb 2015 #174

Oh, I don't know. merrily Feb 2015 #127

This why I believe it is imperative that Sanders must enter the primaries. olegramps Feb 2015 #140

forcing Clinton to change her message won't fool me. magical thyme Feb 2015 #170

first, foremost, and utterly necessary: ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2015 #2

... Veilex Feb 2015 #41

Not soon enough. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #102

Wasserman-Schultz should have been kicked to the curb in 2008. bvar22 Feb 2015 #114

Yep. Why the fuck she was out there shilling for more arrests of pot smoking cancer patients this Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #121

Agree, but the fish doesn't always stink from the head down. merrily Feb 2015 #128

Can we start a petition drive to get that accomplished? INdemo Feb 2015 #130

YES! maddiemom Feb 2015 #172

IMO the plan is to elect a Republican. woo me with science Feb 2015 #4

If there was a return to conscience, it would have happened under George W. Bush derby378 Feb 2015 #5

I think you misread my post, or I worded it poorly. I have added a big "FEIGNED" to that sentence. woo me with science Feb 2015 #9

Thanks. Agreed. This is the only way any of this makes sense. canoeist52 Feb 2015 #8

+100 bbgrunt Feb 2015 #20

+1000 DeSwiss Feb 2015 #30

Taibbi puts the truth, and nothing but, in a nice neat nutshell. hifiguy Feb 2015 #91

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Feb 2015 #120

The best explanation of this I've read is that the Republican/Democratic tag-team Maedhros Feb 2015 #61

That's a really, really good analogy. woo me with science Feb 2015 #80

+1 nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #124

I don't see it as that clear cut. merrily Feb 2015 #129

Obama certainly kept on crankin' [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #138

SO true. I have an estranged cousin, a lawyer, who brags how his firm contributes equally 2 both parties, cuz they don't care who wins, as long as they're bought n paid for. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #103

yep. It's a win win. Phlem Feb 2015 #119

Jumped the shark. joshcryer Feb 2015 #104

Exactly right. Corporations get cash, peons get lip service, excuses and GoneFishin Feb 2015 #109

Yes - The Republicans And Democrats Are Like Two Competing Marketing Teams cantbeserious Feb 2015 #111

Yes I can see that. Phlem Feb 2015 #118

There are those that believe we have no choice INdemo Feb 2015 #131

I can't come around here too often, SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #144

We're already seeing it a2liberal Feb 2015 #147

+1 You're spot on. woo me with science Feb 2015 #148

you speak the truth BubbaFett Feb 2015 #164

It's okay. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #6

It will be interesting to see if they can. As one on the "fringe" left I can no longer Autumn Feb 2015 #7

+1 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #21

Interesting is not the word I would have used. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #28

+1! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #43

Great post LittleBlue Feb 2015 #53

Amen. I too have reached what I call the Popeye Point hifiguy Feb 2015 #93

The Popeye Point, haha, good one hifi. Have you tried eatin your Hillary-brand spinach like a good boy? Hard to swallow, I know personally. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #106

we've all seen how that works out frylock Feb 2015 #34

Only twice? Haha, got you beat! Sad tho. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #105

They need a spine, to be able to stand up to Pukes and Baggers. SoapBox Feb 2015 #10

Democrats forgot they have the smartest and wisest President in generstions leading them to 2 terms in the WH. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #11

the economy isn't 'good' down here in the cheap seats. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #24

I'd say +1, but I can't afford it. so + 0.02 nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #29

When have there ever not been cheap seats in any economy? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #32

And why does the far left always ignore Republican obstruction...? ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2015 #38

... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #50

Why do Obamabots ignore that the president has failed to use the power and prestige of his office vt_native Feb 2015 #75

If it was so easy to do nationally, it should have been easier in a state, right? stevenleser Feb 2015 #122

Conservative Democrat, an oxymoron if ever there was one LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #115

This. SO TRUE. LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #142

What the hell is 'FAR LEFT'? freebrew Feb 2015 #136

Same here. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #160

it's propaganda that one often hears here at DU. not sure what the people who catapult it are. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #161

Bush voters in 2000 Puglover Feb 2015 #167

... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #42

Staying calm doesn't really buy shit, secure any rights, wins, or anything of practical benefit. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #83

What's Steve Beshear doing in 2016? Octafish Feb 2015 #12

When will the learn that? Or do they know it, and don't care? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #92

They got 20Million more votes in 2014 than Republicans. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #13

Bingo peace13 Feb 2015 #22

No they didn't. former9thward Feb 2015 #95

Yes they did, if referring to cumulative totals for Senate Dems. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #145

From your link: former9thward Feb 2015 #146

He doesn't say the number is wrong, just that he disagrees with its significance. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #151

And the facts are not up to you. former9thward Feb 2015 #153

I agree. The facts are the facts. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #154

And the figure still is the Rs got 52% of the national vote in the House. former9thward Feb 2015 #155

And the figure still is the Ds got 20M more cumulative votes in the Senate. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #159

It's becoming the MSNBC of parties Generic Brad Feb 2015 #14

This makes me think of the supposed candidate vt_native Feb 2015 #15

Very apt comparision. romanic Feb 2015 #64

Thanks, romanic! vt_native Feb 2015 #76

Harry Truman knew this in 1952: Martin Eden Feb 2015 #16

At least try to match the Paleocons... librechik Feb 2015 #17

Good Lord, was that really the 56 REPUBLICAN platform? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #31

Reading it stings a bit, doesn't it. nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #58

Hurts to read that doesn't it? Many Democrats don't even support the things on that platform. Autumn Feb 2015 #74

The DNC will do everything possible to maintain the charade of opposition I hate liars Feb 2015 #18

so true. bbgrunt Feb 2015 #23

the republicans abetted wall street in the theft of trillions and the dems held no-one liable excpt Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #19

du rec. xchrom Feb 2015 #25

it sold its soul to wall street + crapitalism for campaign $. we need to cut the cord. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #26

Looks like a typical consulting report...something for everyone...on the one hand HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #27

You want start solving the problem? DeSwiss Feb 2015 #33

Right now I see a series of boxes TBF Feb 2015 #35

There isn't a vast middle. jeff47 Feb 2015 #47

I disagree - if there wasn't a vast middle we'd see far TBF Feb 2015 #51

Those non-voters aren't in the middle. jeff47 Feb 2015 #55

We don't know that because they don't vote. TBF Feb 2015 #57

Sure we do. There are plenty of ways to measure it besides election results. jeff47 Feb 2015 #71

I'm not really talking about swing voters - TBF Feb 2015 #113

It's really not that complicated. jeff47 Feb 2015 #132

No it's not complicated - TBF Feb 2015 #133

No, your data just shows low turnout. jeff47 Feb 2015 #137

I disagree. The middle isn't all of the non-voters. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #59

Oh I wouldn't disagree with your comment - TBF Feb 2015 #67

Some have analyzed the struggle as Wall Street (D) vs. Big Oil (R). [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #63

Yes, I'd agree with that characterization. nt TBF Feb 2015 #68

Superb analysis Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #97

Playing the game - TBF Feb 2015 #134

interesting. carter and kennedy got higher turn out than obama. carter was highest, but ND-Dem Feb 2015 #162

Carter and Kennedy were more liberal than Obama - TBF Feb 2015 #166

They haven't lost their way. cloudbase Feb 2015 #36

The Essential stuff that Bill Clinton saddled us with SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2015 #37

How do these guys explain the fact that the Democrats have won.... George II Feb 2015 #40

Lots more people agree with Democratic positions, but jeff47 Feb 2015 #48

A big part of low turnout is republican voter suppression. George II Feb 2015 #54

A much bigger part is Democratic candidates running bad campaigns. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Feb 2015 #66

If I wanted to vote for conservatives I'd vote Republican. What I want Phlem Feb 2015 #69

Alternatively the GOP has become razor focussed on elimination of all 20th century advances. Kablooie Feb 2015 #44

+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #45

Stop acting like republicans. It is not rocket science. onecaliberal Feb 2015 #46

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Phlem Feb 2015 #70

We had too many candidates run away from the Democratic message Gothmog Feb 2015 #52

They embraced the Democratic message. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #72

The "War on Women" message was a big ol' loser in NC. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #77

There was a Democratic message? derby378 Feb 2015 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #62

Don't Worry, Hillary's got this. Phlem Feb 2015 #65

She plays multidimensional chess too... L0oniX Feb 2015 #84

I thought I saw her on the Matrix. Phlem Feb 2015 #99

That was her ...I swear. L0oniX Feb 2015 #100

Hillary Clinton will auction off the remaining pieces that still have value. Ikonoklast Feb 2015 #73

100% correct. She is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the banksters and the MIC. hifiguy Feb 2015 #94

posted to for later. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #79

File this under "no shit, Sherlock" progressoid Feb 2015 #81

Hmm...a report almost 4 months after the election, when joeybee12 Feb 2015 #82

K & R for pissing off all the right people. L0oniX Feb 2015 #85

Which will avoid this thread like the plague. Rex Feb 2015 #87

The usual suspects will have to ignore this thread...how would they bullshit THIS report? Rex Feb 2015 #86

Lay the blame where it belongs: hifiguy Feb 2015 #88

K and R bigwillq Feb 2015 #90

Particularly in fundraising? daredtowork Feb 2015 #96

They are talking about 2014. Hopefully after this term is over we will see the wisdom of progressive jwirr Feb 2015 #98

D'uh! So, what's the plan? knitter4democracy Feb 2015 #101

I think Dean recently said the only way he'd helm the DNC again... derby378 Feb 2015 #116

I don't see him going that far. knitter4democracy Feb 2015 #117

So the plan is to Republicanize fundraising, GOTV and solidify "brand" image through advertising? pa28 Feb 2015 #107

When the Democratic party goes after "Conservative voters" why Phlem Feb 2015 #108

The Third Way has it figured out. stillwaiting Feb 2015 #141

Exactly. Phlem Feb 2015 #150

Only took them 15 years to figure that shit out. intheflow Feb 2015 #110

IMHO, the report is just wrong. Albertoo Feb 2015 #112

Guess what - that is sensible for a Republican but the fact is whereisjustice Feb 2015 #156

I agree with you about the ACA. It was stupid to run from it. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #157

Introspection is teh devil! lild Feb 2015 #123

They know. Third Way explained it right after the election: merrily Feb 2015 #126

Beshear is my governor and behrstar Feb 2015 #135

Holy shit... derby378 Feb 2015 #139

This report could have been written by my Governor! Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #152

The conclusion is way off. No Dem wins over the brainwashed and bigotted. ffr Feb 2015 #143

Well, acknowledging you've hit rock-bottom is the first step in recovery, isn't it? deutsey Feb 2015 #149

Debbie Wasserman Schultz should be fired. So should "centrist" bullshit. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #158

A Coup d'�tat does not constitute "losing one's way" Demeter Feb 2015 #163

With candidates like Grimes, he has a point! B Calm Feb 2015 #165

The reason is simple, Democrats don't show up to vote when the choices are NorthCarolina Feb 2015 #168

Hello!!! relayerbob Feb 2015 #169