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MannyGoldstein

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42. The cradle of civilization

Reply to littlemissmartypants (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:44 AM

Feb 2015

Now the grave.

And for what?

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"Oh, the Iraq war. Are you still stuck on that topic?" [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 OP

but if we ignore history guillaumeb Feb 2015 #1

I thought WHY they hate us was made clear last time time around. Beartracks Feb 2015 #28

They don't have to hate us any more then. n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #202

That was my thought. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #216

Bravo! marym625 Feb 2015 #2

Thx for saying what needs to be said. The families of those killed are definitely still stuck on it LittleBlue Feb 2015 #3

and will be for generations mahina Feb 2015 #71

Depends how you look at it. bootsontheground Feb 2015 #4

Welcome to DU el_bryanto Feb 2015 #6

Hillary approved of the invasion = VERY BAD, SHOWING EXTREMELY POOR JUDGMENT, IN FACT, IT'S A DEAL BREAKER. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #27

To The Third Way - DLCers - War Is A Profit Making Opportunity - Corporations Must Be Served cantbeserious Feb 2015 #57

Yep. DLC, Third Way, Progressive Policy Institute, New Labels, etc. merrily Feb 2015 #83

They are exactly the same as republicans and other right wingers in that respect. nt Zorra Feb 2015 #211

Ted Kennedy didn't think it was poor judgement, even though he had voted against the IWR. pnwmom Feb 2015 #174

Shhh... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #177

Good God!! Were you fooled also?? pocoloco Feb 2015 #183

So why did *most* Democrats vote *against* war? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #190

*Most* Democratic Senators voted *FOR* the IWR, pnwmom Feb 2015 #203

Including Representatives, a majority voted *against* it. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #204

That's funny, because RoccoR5955 Feb 2015 #215

She could have taken a cue from Ted Kennedy, no? (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #217

As far as... onyourleft Feb 2015 #39

Bush didn't "approve" the invasion. He (and his team) concocted it, lied and fabricated evidence to DanTex Feb 2015 #75

And that is a HUGE difference nt duhneece Feb 2015 #99

That's a legitimate and important distinction Martin Eden Feb 2015 #131

So personal vengeance against Hillary is more important than preventing another IWR. Hmm. DanTex Feb 2015 #132

That makes no sense whatsoever Martin Eden Feb 2015 #134

You said Hillary "deserves to be voted out of office". DanTex Feb 2015 #136

You make a bunch of incorrect assumptions and flunk Logic 101 Martin Eden Feb 2015 #156

The primary is a different thing. Knock yourself out. DanTex Feb 2015 #157

I will vote for the Democratic nominee ... Martin Eden Feb 2015 #159

The Democrats have the same blood on their hands! pocoloco Feb 2015 #184

Most of the Democratic Senators would be voted out of office then because pnwmom Feb 2015 #180

Most of the D Senators (21 of 50) and nearly ALL of the Rep Senators (48 of 49) ... Martin Eden Feb 2015 #181

'the IWR vote was the biggest test of judgement and leadership any of them ever faced as members of sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #186

"And would most likely fail it again" Martin Eden Feb 2015 #195

Exactly! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #199

If her vote wouldn't have stopped it, that makes her "yes" even worse. jeff47 Feb 2015 #151

Of course not. If the consequences of a "yes" vote were nothing, that means that the yes vote was DanTex Feb 2015 #154

The consequences of a "no" vote were also nothing. jeff47 Feb 2015 #158

That makes it, like I said, "inconsequential". DanTex Feb 2015 #160

Let's put that logic to the test: Martin Eden Feb 2015 #163

I would have a problem with it, but I would have a much bigger problem with the Republicans who DanTex Feb 2015 #166

"they are both the same" argument Martin Eden Feb 2015 #167

Then we have no disagreement. DanTex Feb 2015 #168

Where has Hillary apologized for that vote, bvar22 Feb 2015 #185

For example: DanTex Feb 2015 #187

Looks like she has learned from the failed 2008 campaign, bvar22 Feb 2015 #188

Pure and simple... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #219

Welcome to DU. Double standards are an issue with some, but not all, DUers. merrily Feb 2015 #77

Anyone who approved of it = BAD! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #78

Needs more italics. n/t QC Feb 2015 #5

+1 LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #8

And a bit of faux folksy (fauxlksy?) never hurts, QC Feb 2015 #46

There is derivative, strained, hackneyed attempts at satire and then there is Manny's satire. Autumn Feb 2015 #169

Agree completely LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #170

Agree completely. I have never seen or met a funny conservative, or one that has a sense of humor. Autumn Feb 2015 #171

You just don't get the brilliant wordsmithyness of it all! (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #51

Sorry, I'm only licensed as a "C-List" writer MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #59

The real trick is in the quotation marks... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #220

:) MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #228

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #7

You can vote however you please. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #9

"You can vote feel however you please." malokvale77 Feb 2015 #221

Lol one of my many typos. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #222

LOL malokvale77 Feb 2015 #224

That you can vote however you like. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #225

Thanks for the clarification. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #226

YW and thanks for catching my typo. n/t. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #227

We fucked up the Middle East to an extreme degree and the world will be neverforget Feb 2015 #10

You mean decades, if not centuries. Epic fail and, yes, sorry to say, Hillary bears some of that responsibility. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #30

I hope that doesn't mean ... staggerleem Feb 2015 #161

"monumental fuck up, in blood and treasure" malokvale77 Feb 2015 #223

But, voting for it was just a faux pas, a need to look patriotic, a minor "mistake", a deception. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #11

Not "only" a vote. She spoke, advocating for the Iraq War with her fellow Senators. merrily Feb 2015 #79

Yep. Either way, she's unfit for public office. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #82

Yep Thespian2 Feb 2015 #135

+ several million. navarth Feb 2015 #201

Remember when she spoke of nuking Iran during 2008 campaign? Oilwellian Feb 2015 #208

Thanks. I either missed that or forgot. I appreciate the info. merrily Feb 2015 #260

Me, I'm still stuck on what NAFTA did to this area in a city in a Third World Country: NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #12

that's not detroit, though it's labeled as detroit. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #44

It doesn't help that those who paid the highest price were women and children Fumesucker Feb 2015 #13

I think Hillary owes people a reasonable explanation 4 her fatal error in backing her pseudo "brother in law" George Chimpster Bush in the Iraq War. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #31

You've lost it. Agschmid Feb 2015 #45

A war that never ended. onehandle Feb 2015 #14

It's time to look forward, Bush and Clinton didn't mean any harm when they sold that war. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #15

It saddens me to read that, but your point is well taken... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #33

yes, why can't people just get the fuck over it??? it's like they have some kind of mental illness ND-Dem Feb 2015 #47

WE are still stuck in Iraq. Downwinder Feb 2015 #16

So let's make sure the brother of the guy who started it doesn't become president. DanTex Feb 2015 #17

By electing someone who voted for it and tried to talk others into doing the same Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18

Presumably you're for the candidate who voted for Reagan and was a Republican until 96. DanTex Feb 2015 #68

Wow. That's some false equivalency. merrily Feb 2015 #85

No it's not. Two cases of extremely bad judgement. DanTex Feb 2015 #91

Oh, yes it is an enormously false equivalency. Not all cases of bad judgment are in the same merrily Feb 2015 #104

True. Voting for Reagan twice and then Bush after that is such poor judgement that it DanTex Feb 2015 #119

Perhaps that is not the single worst post I've ever read, but it has to be close. merrily Feb 2015 #150

I'll take that as a compliment, since you didn't even try to challenge the content. DanTex Feb 2015 #153

There was no content to challenge. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #229

Why do you think that because a few people mention Hillary being a Republican EVERYONE sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #95

It's Warren who used to be a Republican. And I know that the Hillary haters don't care about that. DanTex Feb 2015 #118

Hillary does not remain silent on the issues. bvar22 Feb 2015 #261

Well, you see, Bush robbed the store but Hillary only drove the getaway car LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #176

Didn't Clinton vote for it? 840high Feb 2015 #22

The primary has not yet started. merrily Feb 2015 #86

Well, they probably will be. But the point is, a lot of people here have in their minds to DanTex Feb 2015 #92

Again, Hillary not only voted for the Iraq War, but advocated for it in the Senate. merrily Feb 2015 #105

Yes, we all know that. And she admitted it was a mistake. DanTex Feb 2015 #115

Please see Reply 106 and, for that matter, all the replies on this thread. merrily Feb 2015 #117

Is that the one where you explain why punishing Hillary is more important than preventing DanTex Feb 2015 #120

I appreciate your efforts... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #230

Thanks. Very few may be deaf, dumb and blind. I have a different view of the others. merrily Feb 2015 #258

Be glad she didn't make a mistake in the middle of the night with that big red nuke button. L0oniX Feb 2015 #137

Yes I am. Who would you rather next to the nuke button: Hillary or Jeb/Ted Cruz? DanTex Feb 2015 #139

Warren or Sanders. You got a small list there. Is Hillary all you got? Pathetic. L0oniX Feb 2015 #142

That's the list of likely nominees for 2016. DanTex Feb 2015 #143

At least the repukes have a variety while you only have Hillary. Some pathetic choice that is. L0oniX Feb 2015 #145

Some how they don't see that as a problem. malokvale77 Feb 2015 #231

No very logical. But voting for the person that helped Bush sell the war isn't the only option. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #147

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #19

Agree 100% joanbarnes Feb 2015 #20

K & R! n/t xocet Feb 2015 #21

Kickety kick kick. Scuba Feb 2015 #23

Cheney's sending you posts now? fadedrose Feb 2015 #24

au contraire! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #40

Me too MG. littlemissmartypants Feb 2015 #25

The cradle of civilization MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #42

The Iraq War is still going on!!! Initech Feb 2015 #26

No politician should be forgiven for their role in that needless slaughter. Bonobo Feb 2015 #29

Bravo! - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #164

And you did not even mention the money. zeemike Feb 2015 #34

oh FUCK those apologists Skittles Feb 2015 #35

Seriously. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #84

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Feb 2015 #138

YOU WANT I SHOULD KICK SOME LAME WAR APOLOGIST ASS, SKITTLES? Zorra Feb 2015 #218

+1,000,000 countryjake Feb 2015 #232

Only if you tag team with Skittles. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #234

I'll be stuck on that past my grave. Autumn Feb 2015 #36

I'm stuck on it too hibbing Feb 2015 #37

Why is everybody still upset about it? sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #38

As long as it is over there & we don't see pictures of the innocent dead ...most are fine with it. L0oniX Feb 2015 #140

Thanks Manny. onyourleft Feb 2015 #41

Yes, and never forget Hillary Clinton's Iraq War vote speech: http://youtu.be/DkS9y5t0tR0 InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #129

I'll never forget... countryjake Feb 2015 #233

You get my vote on this. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #43

So will you be voting no in the general if she is the nominee? joshcryer Feb 2015 #48

Who made you the arbiter of intellectual honesty? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #52

Saying people belong in The Hague. joshcryer Feb 2015 #54

So if Hillary were running against Stalin MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #55

Oh, so it depends upon who she's running against now? joshcryer Feb 2015 #60

Quelle surprise! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #62

You mentioned Stalin. joshcryer Feb 2015 #65

"I don't know what Stalin or The Hague have to do with anything regarding a vote for Clinton." malokvale77 Feb 2015 #235

By all means, explain. joshcryer Feb 2015 #240

OK? malokvale77 Feb 2015 #247

Yes, that is precisely what they did. joshcryer Feb 2015 #252

Not to mention using the same old 'fear' tactics to 'woo' voters with. Same old same old, sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #165

+1 "Love" demands for a loyalty oath (or a rebel oath). merrily Feb 2015 #87

I just think it's cowardly to hide intent. joshcryer Feb 2015 #182

And you know my intent... how? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #189

You could give a straight answer. joshcryer Feb 2015 #194

I've answered again and again MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #196

Yeah? Care to provide a link? joshcryer Feb 2015 #197

Sure. If you'll bet $100 on whether I can deliver. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #198

I know you'll be voting for her. joshcryer Feb 2015 #200

Oh, come on! Bet the hundred! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #205

I'll save it for after the primaries. joshcryer Feb 2015 #207

Do me a solid? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #209

Hey, you started the OP. joshcryer Feb 2015 #213

Wow. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #214

Disgusting malokvale77 Feb 2015 #237

Someone who takes a stand. joshcryer Feb 2015 #239

Well... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #244

I stand for Democratic nominees. joshcryer Feb 2015 #245

Principles... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #241

OP is about being principled about voting. joshcryer Feb 2015 #242

The OP has answered that question on numerous occasions, and when MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #246

You've answered that question to me? joshcryer Feb 2015 #249

What? malokvale77 Feb 2015 #248

That's what you're doing apparently. joshcryer Feb 2015 #250

Oh wow malokvale77 Feb 2015 #251

This is pointless. joshcryer Feb 2015 #253

Pointless is the smartest thing you have said... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #254

Oh, sorry, you said "Bring on the jury." joshcryer Feb 2015 #255

Hah malokvale77 Feb 2015 #256

Hey cool. joshcryer Feb 2015 #257

Do you think my posts were nasty? malokvale77 Feb 2015 #259

Authoritarian party purity. Wow. L0oniX Feb 2015 #141

Kind of a sickness isn't it? malokvale77 Feb 2015 #238

Yep, anyone with an ounce of humanity would never try to minimize the many hundreds of thousands of dissentient Feb 2015 #49

Stuck!? No I am not stuck. But you know who is? Rex Feb 2015 #50

Chill. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #53

Tell it to the families missing their loved one. Look them in the eye and say 'move on'. Rex Feb 2015 #58

Can I do it over Skype? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #61

Good lord no! And soil your beautiful mind? Have someone else do it! Rex Feb 2015 #63

Brown people abroad-over 100,000 displaced. We didn't even bother to count their dead. merrily Feb 2015 #89

The Pentagon doesn't even keep track of TCN casualties JonLP24 Feb 2015 #102

Point is, it was no small "mistake" and it is an irremediable one. merrily Feb 2015 #106

I agree JonLP24 Feb 2015 #108

Human trafficking is horrific. We'd rather believe that humans are not sold, bought or "owned." merrily Feb 2015 #109

I just came across a UCLA Law Review study that is the most detailed I found JonLP24 Feb 2015 #110

Good grief. The horror that is greed. Good for you for taking this as a cause. merrily Feb 2015 #112

thanks for a really interesting post. tomp Feb 2015 #121

Third-Country National JonLP24 Feb 2015 #124

Not sure where to post this JonLP24 Feb 2015 #125

Priorities, Manny. Maedhros Feb 2015 #56

The Iraq war was incredibly stupid. Yorktown Feb 2015 #64

You mean that each decision happened to dramatically increase money spent MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #66

so it is more important to punish people for that treestar Feb 2015 #67

Do you agree that invading Iraq was a war crime? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #73

More like stupidity beyond measure Yorktown Feb 2015 #243

They are to blame. Are you seriously calling the deaths of over one million human beings 'that'?? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #76

+ 1 million! catchnrelease Feb 2015 #94

Oh, bullshit. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #81

Yeah that post is neverforget Feb 2015 #93

As soon as Chimpy was selected back in 2000 I knew that Iraq would be invaded. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #98

In early 2003, my boss here in Japan Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #103

You're 100% right - any one with half a brain, without an agenda, could see through that crap. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #236

So many voted 'No' because they were afraid of being called cowards by the GOP JonLP24 Feb 2015 #88

OFFS. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #97

Punished? What punishment? Acknowledging poor judgment that has never been corrected TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #101

OFFS obxhead Feb 2015 #192

Did someone on this Liberal forum actually say that?? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #69

Heck, just see post 67. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #74

Jaw droppingly unbelievable. merrily Feb 2015 #113

You'd think the idiots who thought Bush and Gore were the same would have learned something. DanTex Feb 2015 #70

Yeah lild Feb 2015 #72

1978: "Oh, the Vietnam War. Are you still stuck on that?" Hissyspit Feb 2015 #80

Hell, I'm still stuck on Vietnam Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2015 #114

I'm still stuck on the Spanish-American war. nt tomp Feb 2015 #122

Don't be sorry for anything you do Manny. DeSwiss Feb 2015 #90

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #96

That illegal war that millions of Americans and people around the world tried to stop? deutsey Feb 2015 #100

I'm right there with you w8liftinglady Feb 2015 #107

As a disabled veteran produced by that war, I'm stuck on that topic too n/t Victor_c3 Feb 2015 #111

Oh please, like you've never had an overdue library book. QC Feb 2015 #116

LMFAO L0oniX Feb 2015 #144

Bookman's on it Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #155

what about voting to fund that occupation? bigtree Feb 2015 #123

That's fucking hilarious Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #126

I'm actually a fan of anti-Iraq war posts bigtree Feb 2015 #128

Still Stuck on This Massive Tragedy McKim Feb 2015 #127

More on the "real reasons" JonLP24 Feb 2015 #130

You posted some really interesting stuff in this thread but it's getting lost in the bickering Fumesucker Feb 2015 #173

"So, you appear to to be stuck on that old technique of changing the subject" rock Feb 2015 #133

seems to be a running theme marym625 Feb 2015 #146

Don't agree with HRC over AUMF. Will vote for Democratic Party nominee in the general election. cheapdate Feb 2015 #148

And so the status quo will continue, with people telling them 'we don't like war crimes, but we'll sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #193

Be that as it may, I'll be supporting the Democratic Party, warts and all, in the next election. cheapdate Feb 2015 #212

I'm with you, Manny bread_and_roses Feb 2015 #149

She's admitted (recently) that it was a mistake. Why can't you just moveon? merrily Feb 2015 #152

Yes, and I'm also still stuck on Glaisne Feb 2015 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #172

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." malthaussen Feb 2015 #175

Must have been a rabid Clinton supporter. obxhead Feb 2015 #178

As long as you don't say: ''Bush lied America into war,'' you're not Hitler. Octafish Feb 2015 #179

You have to admit it's kind of funny watching people JoeyT Feb 2015 #191

Amen. woo me with science Feb 2015 #206

Okay, I'll bite. NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #210