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beevul

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109. I think you're confused.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:10 AM
Feb 2015

Last edited Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:01 PM - Edit history (1)

Allowing within her personal space. If it became known that women were concealed carrying, the likely result is that in the first few moments of the attack, the rapist would search for a gun and disarm the woman and probably use the gun to facilitate the rape. Rape is a crime where the rapist overpowers their victim physically or through coercion with a weapon. A gun is not going to help a person in an acquaintance rape or a rape facilitated with a weapon or alcohol/drugs.



Uh...ok?

The scenario you are imagining is an unknown assailant trying to chase down a woman in a lot or park and she has time before the rapist closes the distance to draw her weapon and fire. That's not a typical campus rape situation.


What "scenario" am I imagining? I didn't even chime in on the topic at all initially, except to question an obviously dumb unreflective of reality, statement.

And by the way, are you considering that in a concealed carry campus, guys would be carrying too and could simply pull their guns out at the very beginning and demand the woman disrobe, effectively disarming them as well in the process?


I wasn't aware that CCW holders were noteworthy for their contributions to rape statististics, or that rapists were generally in the habit of bothering with permits.

Guns are not the answer to this problem.


Please show me where I said they were.


None of the above is really relevant to what I DID write, which was a response to this statement:

"In what bizarro world does the government renounce mandate to protect the public and opt for violent vigilante street justice at the end of a gun as the only way women can avoid a rapist?"


The author of those words, implies that a woman defending herself from a rapist by using a gun, is "violent vigilante street justice at the end of a gun".

I very much disagree with that statement, and so I responded:

In what bizarro world, is defending ones self with a firearm against someone intent on raping you, in any way equivalent to "violent vigilante street justice at the end of a gun"?


Maybe you will take a stab at answering it, instead of attributing to me, scenarios you imagine I imagined, and arguments I did not make.

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The mind boggles. Should toddlers be given guns to ward off pedophiles? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #1
Depends tkmorris Feb 2015 #10
What a dunce! Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #2
Actually, I think they're mostly drunk or drugged. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #16
So let's ban alcohol. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #27
That would certainly make more sense then adding guns. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #29
And yet, anyone seriously suggesting such a thing would be laughed out of the room Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #34
Actually bans work pretty well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #35
Prohibition and the war on drugs work? Well, this is interesting news. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #36
Depends on your definition of 'work'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #38
And marijuana laws? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #39
Are less effective, but still overall more followed than not. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #43
So you support the drug war, with its attending costs both in money and human lives. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #44
I didn't say that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #49
Unless all rapes involve "completely drunk" females your argument is specious (and sexist). Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #50
Ah, so you're arguing from the 'once is too much' for people being raped, but not Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #51
I already answered that but to reiterate -- Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #53
I think alcohol prohibition was a glaring, first tier example of a ban that DID NOT work. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #41
Prohibition for the entire country is a wee bit different than Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #42
Which isnt, really, what you said. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #45
You need to learn to read in context. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #48
exactly, they are arguing against all laws now. Because this topic has no context.... bettyellen Feb 2015 #67
Huh? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #89
I gave you the context. You're backpedaling. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #88
I'd characterize him as Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #90
Well maybe you should do some research. Lawrence v. Texas, a fairly important SCOTUS decision. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #91
No, I actually did think about Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #93
Yes, but that wasn't the point you were making. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #95
Yes, I should have gone ahead and made those exceptions plain early on Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #96
Okay, you acknowledge that you weren't exactly clear, upthread. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #97
I was in college for a looong time... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #98
Look, man. I've got alcoholism all over my family tree like a bad set of christmas lights. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #99
Yup yup. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #100
Bring guns to my calculus class, and I'm calling the cops. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #58
The cops can't arrest people for lawful actions. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #59
Try it here. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #60
If the prohibition is lifted you don't really have much say in the matter. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #62
I'll have students sign a pledge... stone space Feb 2015 #64
A meaningless pledge that has no legal enforcement. It's pathetically comical, actually. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #65
Like I said, I'll refuse to enter the classroom if necessary. stone space Feb 2015 #66
Just like the RWers that refuse to treat children, except you are paid in advance. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #68
What community college? stone space Feb 2015 #69
How would you know if someone is carrying concealed? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #70
So now I'm an unprofessional mathematician? stone space Feb 2015 #71
Well -- Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #72
What is your level of mathematical expertise? stone space Feb 2015 #74
When someone holds their prejudices higher than the inherent rights of innocent people and then Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #75
This is a false accusation. stone space Feb 2015 #76
How do you figure that? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #78
Why do you insist on lying about my supposed unprofessionalism and abuse? stone space Feb 2015 #79
You're hiding behind accusations of lying but I'm curious to know how you imagine a paid alleged Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #80
You want to impose your fundamentalist religion... stone space Feb 2015 #81
Nobody is making you own a gun just as my using birth control doesn't diminish someone else's Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #82
No guns in my calculus classroom. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #83
You have neither the authority nor the ability to enforce your personal prejudices. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #84
I will not enter an armed classroom. stone space Feb 2015 #85
Again, no one is forcing you to be armed. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #86
It seems you have a high tolerance for boredom discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #94
Sounds like he's a devotee of 'hot girls with guns' sites. onehandle Feb 2015 #3
Uh... DonViejo Feb 2015 #6
Sounds like SHE's a devotee of 'hot girls with guns' sites. nt onehandle Feb 2015 #12
;-) eom DonViejo Feb 2015 #15
He? jmowreader Feb 2015 #14
I've seen that vacuous look before hifiguy Feb 2015 #30
You catch on quick, GI... jmowreader Feb 2015 #33
Just another Sharon Angle want to be. Wellstone ruled Feb 2015 #4
Why bother responding to the talk of idiots, just let them keep on talking. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5
Because they get elected and write stupid laws that endanger lives... freshwest Feb 2015 #40
This. riqster Feb 2015 #54
College kids + guns + alcohol = HappyMe Feb 2015 #7
Yep, her solution is to add another level of violence into the scenario. How pathetic, she is. RKP5637 Feb 2015 #63
She is a piece of work Egnever Feb 2015 #8
Why is it always the women Cartoonist Feb 2015 #9
+1 A Little Weird Feb 2015 #19
I commend you for your excellent post, but Jamastiene Feb 2015 #102
Here she is goofing around w/some radio jocks CurtEastPoint Feb 2015 #11
He's just making sure her bra holster isn't aimed at her face. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #18
lol! HappyMe Feb 2015 #22
DUzy! hifiguy Feb 2015 #31
You win the internet stone space Feb 2015 #57
Closet Pedophile? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #13
I wonder how many of these women obxhead Feb 2015 #17
I don't think allowing guns on a campus is a good idea at all. HappyMe Feb 2015 #21
yep obxhead Feb 2015 #24
I don't think this bill would affect the spaces where the partying goes on: the bill petronius Feb 2015 #92
Exactly. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #103
rec for the sheer stupidity of her thoughts uppityperson Feb 2015 #20
Where do they find these Neanderthals? procon Feb 2015 #23
You do know that the police have no legal obligation to protect you, personally, right? X_Digger Feb 2015 #37
Where indeed. beevul Feb 2015 #101
More violence is never a solution. procon Feb 2015 #104
Tell that to the secret service, and the police, and the military. beevul Feb 2015 #105
This OP wasn't about "the secret service, and the police, and the military". procon Feb 2015 #106
Did someone say it was? beevul Feb 2015 #108
Most college rape is date or acquaintance rape. In other words it's a guy a woman is already stevenleser Feb 2015 #107
I think you're confused. beevul Feb 2015 #109
Of course you can disagree, but your argument isn't producing the results you want. procon Feb 2015 #110
Please, point out where in this thread I'm "siding with a republican". beevul Feb 2015 #115
Nope, I'm not. You are passive-aggressively defending the call for moar gunz stevenleser Feb 2015 #111
Yes. You are. beevul Feb 2015 #112
Exactly what I thought. What you wrote is simply an indirect support of guns. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #113
Its support for the truth steve. beevul Feb 2015 #114
No one can do dumb and dangerous like a Republican. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #25
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All the mental porn needed by Skidmore Feb 2015 #46
how generous of him wanting to "allow" self defense. ileus Feb 2015 #47
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This is just wrong in so many ways. Chemisse Feb 2015 #52
Man? I thought it was a woman. B Calm Feb 2015 #117
Oops! you're right. Chemisse Feb 2015 #118
Does she realize that the guys would have guns too? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #56
WTF! Guns, guns, guns are always the solution. Is that all they can some up with, RKP5637 Feb 2015 #61
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HOT, wow of all the words one could use. . B Calm Feb 2015 #116
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