Liberals have been right on so many things. We have not deserved to be marginalized.

[Cary]

112. OK.

I got two threads confused, sorry.

First I have nothing against you personally. I am discussing concepts, not people. I am not in your head or your heart. I don't judge you. My idea is strictly about winning and losing as Democrats. I think I already said, we either do one or the other. We either move forward or we lose. For example, the ACA is a move forward. Is it what I want? Hell no. But we no longer have pre-existing conditions. Costs are going down. More people are insured. It's progress. It's a move forward. Republicans would quash that in a heartbeat, if they could. We should be coalescing to work towards more improvement, such as a public option. That's still a ways away from perfection but it would move the ball further instead of letting regressives take us "back" to whatever Neandertal policies they would impose on us.

Someone just gave me a term which I don't know if I can use here. I'm certainly not unique and I don't read here enough to know this, but I'm sure you've run across it. Essentially the term refers to "a self-described liberal or progressive, often with libertarian leanings, whose political orientation is to be angry, dissatisfied and unhappy with the state of the nation at any given time, because in their view, liberal policies are not being implemented quickly or forcefully enough. They have particular contempt for Democratic presidents."

Of course you are entitled to believe whatever you wish to believe but the fact that you cannot dispute is that Democrats have to get more votes than Republicans to win. If you don't vote that is one less vote for Democrats. If your disaffection causes anyone else's disaffection, that's another vote lost.

I'm sorry, I don't see the efficacy of this. Voice your opinion to be sure. Put your two cents into the ring but at the end of the day you need to vote and you need to encourage others to vote. You need to talk up our policies and our candidates if you truly care.

Finally, are you seriously going to tell me that you don't understand what I'm saying? You can disagree with me and I'll accept that. I'm not going to agree that being disaffected is going to be efficacious in any way, but I do understand your disaffection. You ought to understand why people think your disaffection is not a good idea. It's not that difficult.