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TheKentuckian

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118. As far as I'm concerned this is issue #1 for a couple of reasons.

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 04:52 PM

Feb 2015

#1 if Democrats are allowed to stay on this track we will have no feasible vehicle to move any other agenda.

#2 We will end up taking the blame for shit we are supposed to be against.

#3 The longer we dig this insane hole the more difficult the climb out is.

#4 The longer we keep marching on the fewer even aspire to, envision, recall, or even comprehend anything different.

#5 To do so irresponsibly kicks an ever growing can down the road to a resource poorer future.

#6 Doing so continues to shrink the leftward side of the effective political spectrum.

#7 Doing so validates the right and tells any one paying attention that we don't even believe in what we preach.

#8 It is stupid because it doesn't work no matter how hard everyone claps for Tinkerbelle.

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Liberals have been right on so many things. We have not deserved to be marginalized. [View all] madfloridian Feb 2015 OP

more like everything. Doctor_J Feb 2015 #1

It's almost like that was the intention Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #16

It was the intention. When you look at the history of the DLC/Third Way and read some of their sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #44

..... madfloridian Feb 2015 #45

Exactly, Sabrina. Thank you. Scuba Feb 2015 #48

perfectly said, Sabrina Doctor_J Feb 2015 #50

+++ RedCappedBandit Feb 2015 #51

Almost all of America knows something is wrong, but does not necessarily know what. merrily Feb 2015 #52

Which is how we got to this new "middle". And face it, most Americans, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #119

Exactly... sendero Feb 2015 #60

As far as I'm concerned this is issue #1 for a couple of reasons. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #118

Thanks for saying... sendero Feb 2015 #122

Thanks for giving me something to build off of. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #126

+ a Freakin' Billion LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #62

+1000 MissDeeds Feb 2015 #67

+100000000000 Nailed it! fredamae Feb 2015 #76

+1.........m Enthusiast Feb 2015 #86

Correct. That says much about corporate Dems, without any more pretense or denial. That we can only appalachiablue Feb 2015 #133

Exactly. cui bono Feb 2015 #125

You said it Sabrina, to the point and powerfully. Truth is best and always triumphs. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #128

It is pretty maddening el_bryanto Feb 2015 #2

Saddam was one of many dictators. And one who was relatively obedient to us, to boot. merrily Feb 2015 #53

Yes - and I admitted I was wrong in my assessment at that time. nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #68

Yes. I was just commenting, not trying to "rub it in." merrily Feb 2015 #74

At the time I thought, "We have Saddam right where we want him." WTF? Enthusiast Feb 2015 #88

The region was stable with Saddam in power. Not a good situation but stable. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #115

I'm really irked by the "angry left" hokey-pokey daredtowork Feb 2015 #3

That's really a good post. madfloridian Feb 2015 #46

I would laugh but it is sadly too true! emsimon33 Feb 2015 #124

Krugman's latest addressed all this Warpy Feb 2015 #4

Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #37

The teaparty types took the GOP right. The DLC/Third Way took our party right. Corporatists.. madfloridian Feb 2015 #5

There are several OPs attempting to marginalize the Democratic Wing... bvar22 Feb 2015 #6

Yes, I noticed. madfloridian Feb 2015 #10

I noticed, too, Bvar. Blue_In_AK Feb 2015 #19

..... madfloridian Feb 2015 #21

Well, one of them got a vacation for advocating lynching journalists Fumesucker Feb 2015 #57

I noticed that also. Maybe they should just come right out and say they don't want the Left in the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #69

The irony is, we probably need conservative Democrats more than ever... beerandjesus Feb 2015 #70

We do not need the Third Way as the Mid Terms proved. They need US but don't WANT us. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #73

+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #89

Completely agree on your central point... beerandjesus Feb 2015 #98

Yes, I too hear the drums, sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #7

It was way too easy to do. Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #8

Exactly. madfloridian Feb 2015 #36

well put. bbgrunt Feb 2015 #84

Kick FloriTexan Feb 2015 #9

What's really funny is BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #11

Deserve's got nothing to do with it. PeteSelman Feb 2015 #12

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #13

Most welcome WillyT madfloridian Feb 2015 #14

Exactly. Pretty much everything. (the other side - wrong on everything, of course). NRaleighLiberal Feb 2015 #15

Excellent MissDeeds Feb 2015 #17

Liberals have ALWAYS been marginalized. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #18

Do you think then that sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #23

He was a generation and a half late. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #24

I doubt it, because the civil war sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #28

FDR wasn't late, he was right on time, monumentally and fortunately for us. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #32

Thank you, he was right on time. I can't imagine what this country would look like today if FDR sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #77

I cannot imagine what this country would look like today if Barack Obama hadn't been there VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #81

Get used to this: the US was Liberal for 30+ years MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #31

Forget it, Manny, s/he wants sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #33

But if we are ahead of our time, why do polls show that so many Americans JDPriestly Feb 2015 #39

And in the latest press release from the party.... madfloridian Feb 2015 #61

+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #90

+10. The left lacks money and a media, but we'll make it. We beat the British Empire, twice, hah! appalachiablue Feb 2015 #134

"Don't you know there's no choice?" daleanime Feb 2015 #20

The drums are beating the prelude to 2016 HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #22

The corporations can vote for them all they want Mnpaul Feb 2015 #129

but...But...BUT!!! Corporations DO NOT HAVE A FRANCHISE TO VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #130

and that will be their downfall Mnpaul Feb 2015 #131

It's hard not to be cynical. Corruption on a massive scale is hard to think about. mmonk Feb 2015 #25

Not only that, left-wing groups everywhere JonLP24 Feb 2015 #26

I think that is actually what pisses off some people, lol dissentient Feb 2015 #27

You might just be right. madfloridian Feb 2015 #38

Bear in mind that it's much easier to forgive someone for being wrong than for being right Fumesucker Feb 2015 #55

+1 merrily Feb 2015 #56

That's how you know you're right on target. That's all they got are personnel attacks. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #82

k&r... spanone Feb 2015 #29

I was having dinner with some folks the other night, ... MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #30

Good for you. You probably did. madfloridian Feb 2015 #34

I hope so, but don't bet on it. The right is fact-resistant, if not fact-impervious. merrily Feb 2015 #58

Of course the war drums are beating again! It is to give Hillary and the third way an IN when silvershadow Feb 2015 #35

It is a harsh lesson when you learn Might Makes Right is all that counts. Rex Feb 2015 #40

Repost on how they took the party over. Money and power. And naive party members. madfloridian Feb 2015 #41

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. ARMYofONE Feb 2015 #42

Indeed it is. madfloridian Feb 2015 #43

Agreed - they certainly should not be marginalized by the democratic party. lovemydog Feb 2015 #47

Yes, and we've been right all along ... Scuba Feb 2015 #49

the liberal voice must be heard to open the window of conversation. NuttyFluffers Feb 2015 #54

Third Way did not win the soul of the Dem Party. It all but killed it. merrily Feb 2015 #59

It started in the late 60's and early 70's.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #63

Yessir, K&R 99Forever Feb 2015 #64

Our Ideas Are So Powerful, That's Why McKim Feb 2015 #65

You are looking for a party that is gone - TBF Feb 2015 #66

Meanwhile, the right is wrong on ... just about everything! Initech Feb 2015 #71

And "speaking" is all we did. JayhawkSD Feb 2015 #72

How dare you?! lol, don't i know. Keep up the good fight tho; never give in! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #79

How dare you?! lol, don't i know. Keep up the good fight tho; never give in! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #80

+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #92

Are you confusing the "we" I refer to with the elected Democrats? madfloridian Feb 2015 #96

What we did was to tell them it is in the end fine. We will take whatever we are served TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #120

+10 JayhawkSD Feb 2015 #135

I am referring to the Democrats WE elected... JayhawkSD Feb 2015 #136

+1000 blackspade Feb 2015 #75

Excellent post. Guess we just hafta get used to it-I get marginalized, maligned, insulted a lot from Hillary fans who hate progressives. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #78

Madfloridian, we live in a democracy Cary Feb 2015 #83

I voted in the mid-terms. I always vote. madfloridian Feb 2015 #85

Silly and dysfunctional Cary Feb 2015 #99

Define "jelly-roll" in political terms, please. madfloridian Feb 2015 #100

What difference does it make? Cary Feb 2015 #101

What can I say? madfloridian Feb 2015 #103

I have no idea what you're talking about. Cary Feb 2015 #108

But many realize that voting does little or nothing to improve things. If it's "us vs. the Kochs", Doctor_J Feb 2015 #91

Nonsense. Cary Feb 2015 #102

But you are saying we as liberals should not speak up? madfloridian Feb 2015 #104

No, that isn't what I'm saying at all Cary Feb 2015 #107

So what I am doing that you disapprove of? madfloridian Feb 2015 #109

Never mind. Have to re do this. n/t Cary Feb 2015 #110

OK. Cary Feb 2015 #112

"If your disaffection causes anyone else's disaffection, that's another vote lost." madfloridian Feb 2015 #114

You asked. I told you my opinion. Cary Feb 2015 #116

With all due respect, madfloridian... Cary Feb 2015 #117

Well said. LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #121

Another war and another bailout. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #87

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #93

Do you think we have some moles in the democratic party erronis Feb 2015 #94

TOTALLY. calimary Feb 2015 #95

.... madfloridian Feb 2015 #111

I will never understand Democrats who embrace right wing failure AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #97

Really? It's not complicated. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #106

Liberals are right for the masses, but, alas, the masses don't matter. valerief Feb 2015 #105

Wrong Wing's are left with NO other choices; but to attack/ marginalize laserhaas Feb 2015 #113

The Beltway Democrats are scared to death of the grassroots emsimon33 Feb 2015 #123

Fuck the neoliberal obxhead Feb 2015 #127

The centrist movement is every bit as manufactured as the tea party... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #132

I missed this yesterday but K & R! neverforget Feb 2015 #137