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8. Those leaked documents look outdated and not very strategically sound

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 03:53 PM

Feb 2015

Crimea is turning out to be very expensive for the Russians. From the most recent strategic analyses, Russia no longer plans on annexing any more of Ukraine. Russia's economy is in tatters, its budget will be under heavy pressure. The cost of bringing these outdated regions up to speed economically, not to mention social services, pensions, etc., is viewed as prohibitive.

Also, Putin needs those regions to remain as part of Ukraine in a federal system. It's the only way to prevent them from joining NATO long-term. Whichever bureaucracy advised Putin to annex east Ukraine, if anyone actually did, their strategy has been discarded for months.

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Russian news report: Putin approved Ukraine invasion before Kiev government collapsed [View all] Blue_Tires Feb 2015 OP

No kidding. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #1

Ouch, that's got to sting. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #2

"said he had confidence it was authentic." "*Appears* to have been drafted" newthinking Feb 2015 #31

our resident pro putin fascists are hurriedly scouring the intertubes as I type this LOL snooper2 Feb 2015 #3

Dude, Victoria Nuland handed out cookies! Cookies! Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #5

If the situation had been reversed and this had been a US document NuclearDem Feb 2015 #6

PNAC docs were substantiated. Even the article mentions speculation is involved newthinking Feb 2015 #33

it's not working anymore snooper2 Feb 2015 #64

MSM, MSM!!!!!! BainsBane Feb 2015 #7

So even the Russian times admits Putin is a Warmongering Imperialist. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #4

No, Novaya Gazeta BainsBane Feb 2015 #9

Those leaked documents look outdated and not very strategically sound LittleBlue Feb 2015 #8

Crimea is loaded with natural gas reserves BainsBane Feb 2015 #10

Natural gas isn't very profitable any more LittleBlue Feb 2015 #16

Exactly. Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #48

'Important' is an understatement Cayenne Feb 2015 #78

Stop thinking, please. It kills the buzz of the two minute hate. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #37

I get soo confused. Some here alert on everything from Russian news outlets rhett o rick Feb 2015 #11

There is independent Russian media not controlled by the government. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #12

...finnish publisher... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #52

Well that explains why it hasn't been subjected to Putin's crackdowns..... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #67

Oh don't worry, I'm sure your buddy will have it shut down, or "merged" with RT soon enough snooper2 Feb 2015 #13

How long until that editor's body is found floating in the Moskva river BainsBane Feb 2015 #15

not sure but in current day Russia they are pretty brave to publish that snooper2 Feb 2015 #19

the owners are a finnish corporation; i'm sure they'll be fine. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #53

This wasn't from the Moscow Times. BainsBane Feb 2015 #56

my error then. i saw the person talking about the mt and assumed. the major owner ND-Dem Feb 2015 #57

Well that's good BainsBane Feb 2015 #60

He lives in switzerland and is worth $500 million. He didn't get off too badly. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #61

Do you read Russian? BainsBane Feb 2015 #68

you don't need russian. he was pardoned by putin and his location is general knowledge. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #72

I know that BainsBane Feb 2015 #73

More likely he'll be charged with "corruption" soon Adrahil Feb 2015 #28

"My buddy" ? Really? If you think you can insult me with that, sorry. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #21

"Seems the idea is that if one can't provide a good argument, try mocking and insults." BainsBane Feb 2015 #59

You think that example you provided is "ugly"? I didn't call anyone names nor suggest rhett o rick Feb 2015 #69

Yes, it was ugly BainsBane Feb 2015 #71

"The lock/hide/ban squad took me down"? William769 Feb 2015 #81

Right! Seems some rationalize their behavior because they are on the side of righteousness. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #82

"Our Community Standards William769 Feb 2015 #83

I fully understand the rules and accept them. Those that feel they have righteousness behind rhett o rick Feb 2015 #84

Yes, Russian sources are only "not evil" if they follow the western narrative newthinking Feb 2015 #34

I'd settle for Russian news sources that aren't owned by Putin/Gazprom/UAC. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #38

are there any left sabbat hunter Feb 2015 #42

There are many private news sources in Russia BainsBane Feb 2015 #55

Someone tried to clear up my confusion by telling me that it's the government sponsored rhett o rick Feb 2015 #40

There are other good sources besides RT, newthinking Feb 2015 #41

"People are slow to realize that the western media is not simply "biased" but are heavily rhett o rick Feb 2015 #44

Were you manipulated by Judith Miller? BainsBane Feb 2015 #54

No but I was against the War from the very beginning and will not forgive those responsible includin rhett o rick Feb 2015 #70

I agree the Iraq war was a disaster and has left us with a whole mess that will plague us for some BainsBane Feb 2015 #74

This is a report from a Russian Newspaper, on Russian radio BainsBane Feb 2015 #51

The US government doesn't own the NYT. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #43

"The editor said the paper’s plan is to publish the full details of the strategy document next week. Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #14

I know of another liberal who will say this is bullshit. zappaman Feb 2015 #17

There was no invasion of Crimea . . . Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #18

none at all snooper2 Feb 2015 #20

The order of events is important. newthinking Feb 2015 #36

Let me Occam that for you. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #65

Thanks, I bookmarked this Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #77

Here's an excellent excerpt from The Guardian dated February 27, 2014 Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #79

So you're saying you support the bombing of women and children. zappaman Feb 2015 #22

Da! We must all acknowledge superior strongman Putin! Adrahil Feb 2015 #25

Dmitri Muratov better not fly in any small planes. KamaAina Feb 2015 #23

KICK Cha Feb 2015 #24

Right..... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #26

what NATO base is in Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #63

That picture conflates US and NATO military bases. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #66

I see some of them keep using it like it was true Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #76

That editor had better watch his back. MADem Feb 2015 #27

But the last refuge of 'Journalists' is in Russia. You should be ashamed of yourself! freshwest Feb 2015 #30

It's astonishing how many people shop that meme, too--without any irony whatsoever! nt MADem Feb 2015 #45

Actually, if the press reported the state of the Ukrainian media: "Law against Propaganda", newthinking Feb 2015 #39

No Shite! Cha Feb 2015 #62

I am shocked! ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #29

K&R uhnope Feb 2015 #32

Kick & recommended. William769 Feb 2015 #35

Waiting for the inevitable cookie reference. But not those yummy things: freshwest Feb 2015 #58

Where is Viktor Yanukovych now? Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #46

Living in luxury in Russia, at last report... Who says crime doesn't pay? freshwest Feb 2015 #49

Thanks. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #80

What I find amazing is that most of the Jenoch Feb 2015 #47

i thought putin controlled all the russian media. how did this ever get by him? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #50

This is the country that the courageous Edward Snowden fled to YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #75