Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: I Fear Globalists more than Terrorists. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)16. Plato said it's like Play-doh.
Last edited Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:12 AM - Edit history (1)
Socrates: "Please assume, then, for the sake of argument, that there is in our souls a block of wax, in one case larger, in another smaller, in one case the wax is purer, in another more impure and harder, in some cases softer."
Theaetetus: "I assume all that."
Socrates: Let us, then, say that this is the gift of Memory, the mother of the Muses, and that whenever we wish to remember anything we see or hear or think of in our own minds, we hold this wax under the perceptions and thoughts and imprint them upon it, just as we make impressions from seal rings; and whatever is imprinted we remember and know as long as its image lasts, but whatever is rubbed out or (191e) cannot be imprinted we forget and do not know."
Theaetetus: "Let us assume that."
Socrates: "Now take a man who knows the things which he sees and hears, and is considering some one of them; observe whether he may not gain a false opinion in the following manner.
Theaetetus: In what manner?
Socrates: By thinking that the things which he knows are sometimes things which he knows and sometimes things which he does not know. For we were wrong before in agreeing that this is impossible."
Theaetetus: "What do you say about it now?" (Plato, Theaetetus Offsite Link, 191c-e)
Plato's complete discussion in the Theaetetus of false judgment as the inappropriate linkage of a perception to a memory the mind as a wax tablet appears in lines 191a196c of the dialogue.
SOURCE: http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=3993
Then, there's the hard truth: NSA bosses feared releasing Gulf of Tonkin intel would draw ''uncomfortable comparisons'' with Iraq.
One of the reasons to be wary when Washington uses secret intelligence as a basis for war.
Tonkin Gulf Intelligence "Skewed"
According to Official History and Intercepts
Newly Declassified National Security Agency Documents Show Analysts Made "SIGINT fit the claim" of North Vietnamese Attack
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 132 - Update
John Prados
National Security Archive
EXCERPT...
New York Times reporter Scott Shane wrote that higher-level officials at the NSA were "fearful that (declassification) might prompt uncomfortable comparisons with the flawed intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq."
CONTINUED...
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm
Anyone ever hear OPLAN 34-A mentioned on tee vee or in history class?
Caros Flawed Tale of LBJs Rise
Exclusive: Author Robert Caro has labored through decades of his multi-volume study of Lyndon Johnsons life, only now reaching LBJs presidency in The Passage of Power. But the much-praised book misses or misrepresents many of the key events, writes Jim DiEugenio.
By Jim DiEugenio
ConsortiumNews July 28, 2012
EXCERPT...
Caro mentions OPLAN 34A, the plan for covert operations against North Vietnam. The seed for this plan was approved by Johnson as part of NSAM 273 in late November of 1963. Caro actually calls it a reaffirmation. (Caro, p. 403) If what he means is a reaffirmation of Kennedys policies, then this is just wrong.
CONTINUED...
http://consortiumnews.com/2012/07/28/caros-flawed-tale-of-lbjs-rise/
Me, I'm all for war if it's to defend the United States and the Constitution from any and all enemies, foreign and domestic. Other than that, I'll try peace first.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
30 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
ISIS ISIS ISIS Fear Fear Fear -- "They're everywhere" and "They are going to kill us all!"
dissentient
Feb 2015
#2
The nationalism that is integral to the far-right's mentality is a danger as well.
pampango
Feb 2015
#4
True. They love nationalism, racism, sexism - any way to divide the world into smaller and smaller
pampango
Feb 2015
#9
I agree about how conservatives/corporatists operate. My point is that they can do that
pampango
Feb 2015
#13
The globalists support and arm the terrorists (I see the Saudis in the background there)
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#21
Know your BFEE: Judge Laurence Silberman, Go-To Guy of the Military Industrial Complex
Octafish
Feb 2015
#28