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Octafish

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16. Plato said it's like Play-doh.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 07:11 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:12 AM - Edit history (1)





Socrates: "Please assume, then, for the sake of argument, that there is in our souls a block of wax, in one case larger, in another smaller, in one case the wax is purer, in another more impure and harder, in some cases softer."

Theaetetus: "I assume all that."

Socrates: Let us, then, say that this is the gift of Memory, the mother of the Muses, and that whenever we wish to remember anything we see or hear or think of in our own minds, we hold this wax under the perceptions and thoughts and imprint them upon it, just as we make impressions from seal rings; and whatever is imprinted we remember and know as long as its image lasts, but whatever is rubbed out or (191e) cannot be imprinted we forget and do not know."

Theaetetus: "Let us assume that."

Socrates: "Now take a man who knows the things which he sees and hears, and is considering some one of them; observe whether he may not gain a false opinion in the following manner.

Theaetetus: In what manner?

Socrates: By thinking that the things which he knows are sometimes things which he knows and sometimes things which he does not know. For we were wrong before in agreeing that this is impossible."

Theaetetus: "What do you say about it now?" (Plato, Theaetetus Offsite Link, 191c-e)

Plato's complete discussion in the Theaetetus of false judgment as the inappropriate linkage of a perception to a memory – the mind as a wax tablet– appears in lines 191a–196c of the dialogue.

SOURCE: http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=3993



Then, there's the hard truth: NSA bosses feared releasing Gulf of Tonkin intel would draw ''uncomfortable comparisons'' with Iraq.



One of the reasons to be wary when Washington uses secret intelligence as a basis for war.



Tonkin Gulf Intelligence "Skewed"
According to Official History and Intercepts


Newly Declassified National Security Agency Documents Show Analysts Made "SIGINT fit the claim" of North Vietnamese Attack

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 132 - Update


John Prados
National Security Archive

EXCERPT...

New York Times reporter Scott Shane wrote that higher-level officials at the NSA were "fearful that (declassification) might prompt uncomfortable comparisons with the flawed intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq."

CONTINUED...

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm



Anyone ever hear OPLAN 34-A mentioned on tee vee or in history class?



Caro’s Flawed Tale of LBJ’s Rise

Exclusive: Author Robert Caro has labored through decades of his multi-volume study of Lyndon Johnson’s life, only now reaching LBJ’s presidency in The Passage of Power. But the much-praised book misses – or misrepresents – many of the key events, writes Jim DiEugenio.

By Jim DiEugenio
ConsortiumNews July 28, 2012

EXCERPT...

Caro mentions OPLAN 34A, the plan for covert operations against North Vietnam. The seed for this plan was approved by Johnson as part of NSAM 273 in late November of 1963. Caro actually calls it a “reaffirmation.” (Caro, p. 403) If what he means is a reaffirmation of Kennedy’s policies, then this is just wrong.

CONTINUED...

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/07/28/caros-flawed-tale-of-lbjs-rise/



Me, I'm all for war if it's to defend the United States and the Constitution from any and all enemies, foreign and domestic. Other than that, I'll try peace first.
great post as usual Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #1
CIA and Secret Government largely a creation of the GOP Octafish Feb 2015 #10
That is a book now at the top of my "must read" list. hifiguy Feb 2015 #17
Online sampler... Octafish Feb 2015 #20
ISIS ISIS ISIS Fear Fear Fear -- "They're everywhere" and "They are going to kill us all!" dissentient Feb 2015 #2
Fear. Why fear? Fear burns memory into our brains in a special way. Octafish Feb 2015 #3
The nationalism that is integral to the far-right's mentality is a danger as well. pampango Feb 2015 #4
Conservatives *loathe* fair competition Fumesucker Feb 2015 #6
True. They love nationalism, racism, sexism - any way to divide the world into smaller and smaller pampango Feb 2015 #9
Important points about the Invisible Hand and Globalism, pampango. Octafish Feb 2015 #12
I agree about how conservatives/corporatists operate. My point is that they can do that pampango Feb 2015 #13
I couldn't disagree with you more. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #14
And I with you. pampango Feb 2015 #15
+ 7 billion. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #30
you left obama out of the picture. TPP anyone| nt msongs Feb 2015 #5
First graph under first grey quote box... Octafish Feb 2015 #11
Your mind hasn't yet reached the required softness for malleability whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #7
Plato said it's like Play-doh. Octafish Feb 2015 #16
I fear Girl Scouts more than weasels. OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #8
To the Greatest Page woo me with science Feb 2015 #18
Benito Mussolini summed up our situation today way back then. Octafish Feb 2015 #24
Recommend. Great post, thanks, Octafish. nt Zorra Feb 2015 #19
Poppy took charge when Reagan was prez. Octafish Feb 2015 #27
The globalists support and arm the terrorists (I see the Saudis in the background there) sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #21
Explosive Saudi 9/11 Evidence Still Ignored By Media Octafish Feb 2015 #22
Thanks for the thread Octafish. CanSocDem Feb 2015 #23
One begets the other. Recommended. mmonk Feb 2015 #25
Know your BFEE: Judge Laurence Silberman, Go-To Guy of the Military Industrial Complex Octafish Feb 2015 #28
Thank you. The pleasure is mine. mmonk Feb 2015 #29
Kicked for the fine display of players… MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #26
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