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BrotherIvan

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20. You ask a very fair question

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 07:28 PM

Feb 2015

One I have asked quite a bit lately. If the party knows in advance that you will vote for whomever they put forward, there is NO LEVERAGE to get a candidate who supports your ideals. The early posts on this thread show that many so-called Democrats don't really think we can do much better. But I think that we can and that the country will elect a liberal. We just did, TWICE, in the sense that Obama campaigned as an old-school liberal. That swanky campaign knew what people wanted. He didn't campaign as a moderate Republican of the Reagan era. Now it's time for the rhetoric to match the governing philosophy.

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Are we much better than the Republican-voting rednecks? [View all] DerekG Feb 2015 OP

We are MUCH better than Republican voters. tridim Feb 2015 #1

Our team good. Their team bad. Yay, us! nichomachus Feb 2015 #22

Yes, Republicans are bad. nt tridim Feb 2015 #23

Yes, Republican Team BAD. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #51

Period. LWolf Feb 2015 #62

And when I encounter people who assert themselves as rebels without cause BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #66

"Rebels without a cause." LWolf Feb 2015 #68

Naw. It's truth. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #70

You are just filled with truthiness. nt LWolf Feb 2015 #80

Sho'nuff. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #82

Hey, if the DNC wanted your input, Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #2

LOL... cyberswede Feb 2015 #5

Yep. nt LWolf Feb 2015 #63

+$ Octafish Feb 2015 #81

Yes. 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #3

And the alternative in November 2016 to voting for whoever the Dem is? randys1 Feb 2015 #4

Moving to Sweden as a refugee. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #6

We're better than the folks we elect. bigwillq Feb 2015 #7

That's pretty much what I think, too. n/t Exhibit A Feb 2015 #9

So you think Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama were all evil .nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #25

A lesser kind. bigwillq Feb 2015 #26

Remember the daze, bigwill? RobertEarl Feb 2015 #48

Yup. bigwillq Feb 2015 #49

Of course. But let's see here. DanTex Feb 2015 #8

Planet TPP. JEB Feb 2015 #10

Oh, you mean the trade deal that isn't? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #16

My position on TPP is likely not to change. JEB Feb 2015 #30

That is, probably, a true statement ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #34

Give the track record of trade agreements, JEB Feb 2015 #76

There are still poor white males in America ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #18

under fdr highest tax rates were something like 90%. under obama something like 32%. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #72

Too bad for LBJ, then, who cut the top rate by 20%. No liberal there! DanTex Feb 2015 #73

yeah, from 91 to 70%, still way higher than anything today. reagan raised taxes too. so what? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #74

Well, the effect of Obama's economic policies were to prevent a second great depression. DanTex Feb 2015 #75

Oh but Reagan lowered the top rates and corporate rates, oil windfall profits tax reduced in 81 Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #83

I don't disagree that Reagan's increases were largely regressive. That's why I don't think ND-Dem Feb 2015 #84

I never voted to deprive a person of his or her rights so I am better./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #11

We keep getting fooled... AZ Progressive Feb 2015 #12

Good question... Left coast liberal Feb 2015 #13

Our candidates are a result of a process Egnever Feb 2015 #14

Who needs "electability" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #19

We seem to have neither principles nor electability MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #27

I think if you were honest ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #29

Whoosh!!! Holy crap!!! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #31

I don't understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #37

Correct. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #38

Thank you for that cogent explanatory response ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #42

Even when I agree with you, I'm awful? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #43

You were agreeing with me?... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #45

You wrote that you don't understand MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #47

Ohhhh, you were being cleverly antagonistic ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #50

This is very discouraging. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #54

Clearly ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #57

And how does that seem to be working for the party? Doctor_J Feb 2015 #40

Seems to be working out pretty well Egnever Feb 2015 #41

so you believe the party's standing is "pretty good" compared to what is was Doctor_J Feb 2015 #44

The 30s 40s etc were a different time Egnever Feb 2015 #46

...^ that 840high Feb 2015 #55

It's won 5 of the past 6 Presidential elections Recursion Feb 2015 #53

Unlikely, since Smirk won twice Doctor_J Feb 2015 #59

Forgetting 2000 already? Smirk lost that one (nt) Recursion Feb 2015 #61

OK, I will grant you that Doctor_J Feb 2015 #65

Let me fix that for you LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #67

We? progressoid Feb 2015 #15

My guess is that using a perjorative term like "redneck" makes "us" phylny Feb 2015 #17

Pejoratives are seldom if ever useful. cordelia Feb 2015 #69

You ask a very fair question BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #20

DU aiding and abetting daredtowork Feb 2015 #21

+1 Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #24

take away the politics olddots Feb 2015 #28

Not a dumb thought at all newthinking Feb 2015 #35

Great observation Generic Brad Feb 2015 #52

Those Presidents edhopper Feb 2015 #32

There has been a slow slide. Our side is even using angry attack language in ways newthinking Feb 2015 #33

They're not afraid of us - LiberalElite Feb 2015 #36

xactly - but more and more 840high Feb 2015 #56

. LiberalElite Feb 2015 #79

Seriously? blue neen Feb 2015 #39

Yes. Much. Iggo Feb 2015 #58

Yes. alarimer Feb 2015 #60

They are more afraid of corporations and the media. mmonk Feb 2015 #64

Politicians BubbaFett Feb 2015 #71

There is a HUGH difference ... Martin Eden Feb 2015 #77

Not when we use the word, "redneck". jmondine Feb 2015 #78