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Fumesucker

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95. The Democratic party does what it needs to do to survive

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:45 PM

Feb 2015

Recall that Clausewitz said politics was just a continuation of war by other means or something like that.

I think you and I want probably nearly the same things, you know I'm an outspoken loudmouth in some ways and I know full well how I can piss off conservatives to the point they are speechless with rage and lack of talking points. I spent a while on Discussionist and proved to myself that I still have that ability I honed a decade or more ago.

That's counterproductive though if electoral success is your goal, you have to be nice and accommodating and non threatening to voters and particularly potential donors.

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The Democratic party *should* marginalize and ignore liberals [View all] Fumesucker Feb 2015 OP

I hate that "Circle D" logo Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #1

Some Ad/PR agency ripped the DNC off wyldwolf Feb 2015 #2

Switzerland? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #25

I'm sure it was focused-grouped to death, they have glossy pictures Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18

And in walked the judge... n/t Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #21

...with a seein'-eye dog. cyberswede Feb 2015 #62

Obie came to the realization Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #64

Say it ain't so Alice! on point Feb 2015 #98

It reminds me of a cattle brand - hmmm LiberalElite Feb 2015 #51

I always think it's the "down" button on elevator. winter is coming Feb 2015 #75

So the Circle D is a combination of the logo of a perennial losing team, Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #81

It looks like a target. backscatter712 Feb 2015 #104

My eyes! That color! Whoever designed that logo should be fired. dissentient Feb 2015 #3

No not Liberals....INDEPENDENTS.....we like Liberal Democrats! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #33

No, you are a self proclaimed rubberstamp. Almost like being dead, there was volition but no longer. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #73

Chauncey Gardner Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #105

Why bother pandering to people when you can LuvNewcastle Feb 2015 #4

Yup BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #5

Would you get over the calling people ''hippies''. You don't even know what a hippy is or was. YOHABLO Feb 2015 #19

I think his point was that people who use the term hippies don't truebluegreen Feb 2015 #37

Do it... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #74

Get off my lawn hippies! BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #99

The Republican centrists know they can do the same thing to the far right. The Green Manalishi Feb 2015 #43

most liberals are supporting Hillary JI7 Feb 2015 #6

Not this one. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #7

What does that even mean? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #9

internet tough talk JI7 Feb 2015 #12

101st Chairborne Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #60

yup JI7 Feb 2015 #127

Keyboard activism/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #13

. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #135

But most are supporting her JI7 Feb 2015 #10

So vested interests say. Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #17

no. She has all the ground support also JI7 Feb 2015 #20

And when President Obama was first elected, she had lots of ground support. Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #38

" appalachiablue Feb 2015 #109

EXACTLY!!!!! ^^^THIS^^^ VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #29

Smoke enough crack and anyone would. L0oniX Feb 2015 #32

So all the liberal Democrats that support Hillary are on drugs now.....Crack specifically VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #34

Crack killed apple jack lild Feb 2015 #108

but it didn't kill me! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #139

Maybe meth? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #136

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Phlem Feb 2015 #84

And that says exactly what? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #90

Macro key! neverforget Feb 2015 #106

it says most liberals WANT Hillary , they aren't just going along, she is the one they want JI7 Feb 2015 #111

Did you actually read the OP? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #112

so try to convince people to change their views JI7 Feb 2015 #113

Again, did you read the OP? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #114

where did you try to do that ? JI7 Feb 2015 #115

In the OP you have not yet read Fumesucker Feb 2015 #117

i did and id on't see it JI7 Feb 2015 #121

Reading glasses, you need them Fumesucker Feb 2015 #123

not sure what that has to do with anything JI7 Feb 2015 #126

What did the Iraq War do for women's rights in the Middle East? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #131

i Don't know anyone who claims it did do anything JI7 Feb 2015 #132

Not shocking and aweing them would be a good start.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #133

if you think Hillary supported that you shouldn't vote for her JI7 Feb 2015 #134

How long did Hillary take to admit it was a mistake? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #137

wouldnt matter to me. i would not support her if i thought she would have done JI7 Feb 2015 #138

What a change six years make Fumesucker Feb 2015 #142

? JI7 Feb 2015 #143

I'm like Manny Fumesucker Feb 2015 #144

you think Hillary ordered england to do what she did ? JI7 Feb 2015 #146

I have a higher opinion of your intelligence than that Fumesucker Feb 2015 #147

i Don't see england as a scapegoat at all JI7 Feb 2015 #149

I wrote about this on Discussonist.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #150

And none of that makes england a scapegoat JI7 Feb 2015 #151

Show me where anyone actually responsible had negative consequences Fumesucker Feb 2015 #152

she was trying to make excuses. would you defend chris Kyle JI7 Feb 2015 #153

Big difference between willing to vote for and supporting krawhitham Feb 2015 #101

50 point lead...I'd say it surpasses that threshold! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #140

Liberals need to do a better jobs of arguing our positions. iandhr Feb 2015 #8

Agree. 'OMFG I hate that!' lovemydog Feb 2015 #14

how about a better job *enacting* our positions. deeds, not more words. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #24

I think people's agendas don't nessisaraly fit their politics olddots Feb 2015 #11

Haha! lovemydog Feb 2015 #15

i think people want fewer homeless. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #31

Most like you and me do. lovemydog Feb 2015 #40

i think the right wing in general would like fewer homeless too. one way or another, no ND-Dem Feb 2015 #83

Indeed, Arbeit Macht Frei Fumesucker Feb 2015 #118

that wasn't what i meant, though. i was thinking more that a large homeless population ND-Dem Feb 2015 #120

Yes look how well the Faux GOP dems did in the last election. Quit this shit. It is time the Vincardog Feb 2015 #16

Do the math.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22

Lotsa liberals may just stay at home Joe Turner Feb 2015 #54

Seriously, it doesn't matter Fumesucker Feb 2015 #57

Your thesis runs counter to just the last election Joe Turner Feb 2015 #69

The Democrats just haven't moved far enough right fast enough to keep up Fumesucker Feb 2015 #71

A lot of republicans said the said same thing Joe Turner Feb 2015 #85

You are still thinking numbers when it's about percentages Fumesucker Feb 2015 #89

You got to out of the fixed pie mode Joe Turner Feb 2015 #91

A shrinking pie isn't fixed Fumesucker Feb 2015 #116

IMO, staying home is the second most self-defeating thing a liberal can do, the merrily Feb 2015 #129

You do the math if we put up candidates to compete for Conservative votes who the F will Vincardog Feb 2015 #92

Do the math. Half the electorate doesn't bother to vote because with two Republican parties ... Scuba Feb 2015 #93

The Democratic party does what it needs to do to survive Fumesucker Feb 2015 #95

+10 appalachiablue Feb 2015 #110

Except that isn't the way it is. Marr Feb 2015 #145

Yes & progressives, stop "givin milk 4 free." Make whoever wants our vote EARN it or itll b alot harder 2 influence the candidate on issues. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #58

"..then shut the hell up about all this pinko lefty crud" Just what does that mean? YOHABLO Feb 2015 #23

Next to the latrine on MASH? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #26

So are you saying that everyone that supports Hillary Rodham Clinton is not a Liberal? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #27

I'm talking about the Democratic party and what will put it reliably in office Fumesucker Feb 2015 #35

WE... those of us here.... ARE the Democratic Party....WE ARE the Democratic Party... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #36

I'm not a politician, far too plainspoken and blunt Fumesucker Feb 2015 #39

Yeah we can tell...... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #41

Believe it or not I've come to appreciate your passon and single mindedness Fumesucker Feb 2015 #42

I am not here to be verbose....I am intense, acerbic and to the point! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #45

Not everyone works the same way mentally, emotionally, spiritually Fumesucker Feb 2015 #52

There's plenty of differing views in the democratic party. lovemydog Feb 2015 #46

Not to THAT guy apparently.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #49

I didn't read that in the original post lovemydog Feb 2015 #53

What is the cost going to be of the 2016 election? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #63

A lot. lovemydog Feb 2015 #65

Pretty much anything that a disaffected Republican might not like Fumesucker Feb 2015 #67

You've been reading too much Manny. L0oniX Feb 2015 #28

I think I was eight or nine when I read Jonathan Swift Fumesucker Feb 2015 #44

pardon me, but DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #30

That's what I'm thinking ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #72

Dead serious Fumesucker Feb 2015 #76

ok, back when this was a manny knock off DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #103

What I would like is for someone to show me I'm wrong.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #107

best argument DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #128

I just don't see liberals having a good enough ground game for it to happen long term Fumesucker Feb 2015 #130

Not bad, not bad. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #47

Fumesucker, Fumesucker. Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #48

It's a gift, what can I say.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #50

Venimus vidimus et mortuus est Fumesucker Feb 2015 #66

The Tailor of Benghazi Octafish Feb 2015 #80

Faking sincerity is the key Fumesucker Feb 2015 #82

When in doubt, umlaut. Octafish Feb 2015 #102

Yah, I've been told, in so many words, to shut up malokvale77 Feb 2015 #55

Too close to the truth to be funny ... Martin Eden Feb 2015 #56

Shouldn't we call them retarded before we tell them to STFU? hootinholler Feb 2015 #59

It was only their ideas that were retarded Fumesucker Feb 2015 #61

Whew! I was getting ready to say, ''Let's all become Repuglians.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #68

Well you could try not to be actively offensive to conservatives by disagreeing with them Fumesucker Feb 2015 #70

I noticed they also don't like eye contact, especially not when to be stared at. Octafish Feb 2015 #77

Ah, the one finger salute Fumesucker Feb 2015 #88

Damsnit! Phlem Feb 2015 #94

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #79

+1000000000 peacebird Feb 2015 #86

I can tell if this is sincere or not. Phlem Feb 2015 #87

I'm probably better than 90+% of this board at pissing off conservatives on their own turf Fumesucker Feb 2015 #96

amen AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #97

"double plus".....? rainbobryte Feb 2015 #100

I find inmoral more trustworthy than the amoral. At least you know what the sinner is up to and TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #119

Excellent point, I agree... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #124

Only a Sith mikehiggins Feb 2015 #122

So you're going with the "no true wingnut" argument? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #125

L L Liberal icymist Feb 2015 #141

Totebaggers.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #148