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malokvale77

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5. I already answered in another thread to this...

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:36 AM

Feb 2015

Do you really want to dump on Patricia Arquette because she cares about "womens" rights?

I don't care what the fuck color you are, women are being dumped on every dammed day all over the world.

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Why women like Patricia Arquette continue to whitewash Feminism. [View all] bravenak Feb 2015 OP

By this "reasoning", does this mean she is "straight-washing" feminism as well? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #1

"Looking for a problem." silverweb Feb 2015 #4

The Grio also has an article. bravenak Feb 2015 #13

Remember "divide and conquer"? silverweb Feb 2015 #168

When she brought up race, she made the division. bravenak Feb 2015 #185

I agree she put her foot in her mouth, but... Adrahil Mar 2015 #274

Thank god this is over. bravenak Mar 2015 #279

Apprently I'm dense... I have no idea what you meant there. n/t Adrahil Mar 2015 #283

Fuck that! You're missing the point. It IS a fact, not some paranoid, delusional nonsense that quite Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #257

That's nice. silverweb Mar 2015 #258

I will. My people comes first since so one give a shit about us. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #272

"Each group... should ideally be joined with the others in mutual support." nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #261

Of course. silverweb Mar 2015 #262

Yes. You assumed. That's the problem. The assumption IS the problem!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #273

+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #263

:) silverweb Mar 2015 #271

Leave it to Black Twitter to sum all of this up PERFECTLY Number23 Feb 2015 #207

I've been looking for that one all day!!! Thanks. bravenak Feb 2015 #209

"Looking for a problem", at the least. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #26

Clickbait romanic Feb 2015 #47

maybe from the article more of her backstage comment azurnoir Feb 2015 #6

What? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #7

perhaps her wording was clumsy but it does seem like she was creating a divide azurnoir Feb 2015 #8

Exactly. bravenak Feb 2015 #11

OK...I see what you are saying. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #12

the author of the piece Kelsey McKinney is a woman who writes about feminism azurnoir Feb 2015 #42

And? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #44

how is she being heterosexist by pointing the exclusionary nature of Arquettes backstage comments? azurnoir Feb 2015 #51

Seriously? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #55

Arquette basically said that we (women) have worked for Gay and minority rights azurnoir Feb 2015 #56

A sidenote. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #57

huh? are you saying "all the Gay people" part of her quote only meant Gay men? azurnoir Feb 2015 #60

Now she is "inclusive?" Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #63

no I am not and you see to misread my comment so first let's repeat Arquetts comment azurnoir Feb 2015 #64

Why do you need to keep repeating the same paragraph? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #68

As I said it is a point of reference we've gone on for a bit so it helps to as reminder of what azurnoir Feb 2015 #70

What about "heterosexism" do you not understand? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #71

my impression of Arquettes comments are that she was not singling out any subset within the Gay or azurnoir Feb 2015 #72

My impression is the author was excluding one of the targets of Arquette's comments. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #73

IMO the author pointing out Arquettes back stage comments is hardly heterosexism azurnoir Feb 2015 #74

You really don't understand, do you? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #79

Is that what you're claiming the author said? because I can not find that exact quote anywhere azurnoir Feb 2015 #87

You keep pretending not to understand why is outrage, which means that you agree with her Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #275

You do know that Patricia Arquette has a gay brother, and that she has supported him JDPriestly Feb 2015 #84

She has a sister named Alexis. bravenak Feb 2015 #85

True. That was what I was trying to say. But I did not say it well. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #86

I just wanted to make sure. I always liked her the best. bravenak Feb 2015 #89

Is it also possible the same could be said about Arquette's backstage comment? Quantess Feb 2015 #92

Thank you for the clarification I did not know that azurnoir Feb 2015 #106

You're welcome. I remember the transition. Very brave and public. bravenak Feb 2015 #108

As a white woman, I understood her to be advocating for all women. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #82

In her on stage comment yes in her back stage one not so much azurnoir Feb 2015 #90

Sorry. But I think the vox article is just ridiculous. It is criticism to be critical. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #93

You are not the first Straight person critical of Arquette to refer to her trans sister Alexis as a Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #129

Bravernak was kind enough to point that out hours ago you must have missed it azurnoir Feb 2015 #134

I do not know your gender. I just find it ironic that folks using such insulting verbiage about LGBT Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #148

actually I was being kind to the person claiming Arquettes brothrer was Gay as I am quite aware azurnoir Feb 2015 #152

^^^ YEP ^^^ MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #156

I agree with your interpretation, but is it a problem? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #122

thank you elehhhhna Feb 2015 #133

Patricia Arquette is a woman. She was absolutely right. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #75

Her on stage comment was wonderful her backstage addition not so much azurnoir Feb 2015 #76

They are the same Renew Deal Feb 2015 #123

Really? this comment is the same? azurnoir Feb 2015 #126

Yes. What did you think she meant by her original statement? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #142

it is her back stage comment I have a problem with and the you owe us air of it azurnoir Feb 2015 #143

I know you do Renew Deal Feb 2015 #144

well that's your perogative :) azurnoir Feb 2015 #153

She needs not tell black people they owe something or need to fight in the way she did. bravenak Feb 2015 #77

^^^ THIS is beautiful. Exhibit A Feb 2015 #78

In fact..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #14

to borrow from Chinatown, It's the internet, Jake. CBGLuthier Feb 2015 #19

One of the greatist truisms of this quarter of the century, I must say. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #23

divide and conquer ND-Dem Mar 2015 #264

We got the message just fine. bravenak Feb 2015 #17

Same for lesbians, bisexual and transgender women too, right? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #20

Maybe they do. bravenak Feb 2015 #24

The feminism movement shunned lesbians for years. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #27

YES!!! I do think that. Beat me up, I don't care... bravenak Feb 2015 #30

Beat you up? WTF? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #31

My bad. Always expect the worst. bravenak Feb 2015 #33

Apparently. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #34

In this thread, those who are judging the shit out of Patricia keep calling Alexis 'her gay brother' Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #141

so if one supports Arquettes statements or her back stage one then calling her sister Alexis a Gay azurnoir Feb 2015 #154

this thread demonstrates the success of divide and conquer as all the proponents of equal rights ND-Dem Mar 2015 #265

Seems like a concerted attempt to shut her the fuck DOWN elehhhhna Feb 2015 #127

How is pointing the fault of what Arquette said backstage a azurnoir Feb 2015 #158

what a distorted viewpoint... chillfactor Feb 2015 #2

Never. America loves trying to shame me. bravenak Feb 2015 #10

what a distorted sense of judgement you have... chillfactor Feb 2015 #65

No. People like YOU are the real problem. bravenak Feb 2015 #67

Seconded. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #16

Yep. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #278

I will admit I'm a big fan of hers and that I am maybe too biased to see it Jamastiene Feb 2015 #3

I don't think whatever bias you may or may not have has affected anything. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #22

The criticisms seem more like grading an English term paper than an honest assessment of what she really meant. stevenleser Feb 2015 #150

right?!! she's an actress, not a presidential candidate! elehhhhna Mar 2015 #252

I already answered in another thread to this... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #5

Here is is link. bravenak Feb 2015 #9

*Some* black ladies, Bravenak. Not *all*, by any means. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #15

Lol!! Yeah Joe. You know all about black ladies. bravenak Feb 2015 #18

Oh, bravenak. Must you? nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #21

You wanted it Joe. bravenak Feb 2015 #25

!!! pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #28

I saw it. malokvale77 Feb 2015 #35

I am just telling you th truth about how it was taken bravenak Feb 2015 #43

OK malokvale77 Feb 2015 #59

The thing is... bravenak Feb 2015 #62

Are you saying... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #66

I said I'm not enraged. bravenak Feb 2015 #69

How can you not see that your reply is exactly like the replies we get from men? KitSileya Feb 2015 #80

You're not even listening to what bravenak is saying. You're just playing the victim. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #277

I've tried to stay out of this (the race issue), I really have but... justiceischeap Feb 2015 #125

We are used to being told what we need to do. bravenak Feb 2015 #131

No One Likes Being Reminded They Owe a Favor Upward Mar 2015 #284

If we actually owed anything, I could understand what they mean. bravenak Mar 2015 #285

I Guess It Depends on What's Considered 'Owed' Upward Mar 2015 #290

Especially Black Women. bravenak Mar 2015 #291

It is sadly true. I think you will appreciate this: Raine1967 Feb 2015 #140

Thank you. bravenak Feb 2015 #182

You are welcome! Raine1967 Feb 2015 #203

I guess I'll keep trying through the years. bravenak Feb 2015 #204

I know it seems trite, but the movie referenced was when I first realized this. Raine1967 Feb 2015 #205

Things like that help me see things too. bravenak Feb 2015 #206

Agreeing... I left NOW when they didn't welcome lesbian and minority women discussions. freshwest Feb 2015 #213

Thank you. bravenak Feb 2015 #214

It was a relief to see it was you responding to my post, LOL! Others are welcome to Ignore my post. freshwest Feb 2015 #219

Scalia claimed we don't have rights guaranteed in the Constitution elehhhhna Feb 2015 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #29

Better get some Coke!!! bravenak Feb 2015 #32

anti women, anti feminists are jumping up and down in glee. clapping hands, and munching corn. seabeyond Feb 2015 #119

That one thinks this is a fight rather than a discussion. bravenak Feb 2015 #120

i have been mostly off du. after perusing threads this morning, there is more than one. seabeyond Feb 2015 #121

I haven't seen any great supporters of black women threads. bravenak Feb 2015 #124

I think the comments reflected the blindness that many have. I think the discussion is *great* as salin Feb 2015 #162

Thank you for the thoughtful response. bravenak Feb 2015 #198

The Kanye/Beck/Beyonce Grammys thread was much more entertaining n/t Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #109

yes you find it entertaining. no surprise there. kinda obvious, but never go over that line. seabeyond Feb 2015 #118

I Can't get behind this rant Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #36

It's almost as if a few folks are just lookin' to stir up trouble..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #37

Martin Luther King, Jr. Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #46

well MLK did not say anything like what Arquette said backstage azurnoir Feb 2015 #54

gay men , black men she should have said Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #58

but she didn't and I'm not sure that she meant only men either azurnoir Feb 2015 #61

You don't have to. It is not expected. bravenak Feb 2015 #38

Thank you Ichingcarpenter malokvale77 Feb 2015 #41

those poor, downtrodden, blonde caucasians mwrguy Feb 2015 #112

sadly, Chimeradog Mar 2015 #251

All whites have white privilege in the country. mwrguy Mar 2015 #256

And lacking class privilege does not equal lacking race privilege. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #259

Maybe if the majority of female, blonde Caucasians stopped voting for a party that's actively Chakab Feb 2015 #227

It's possible to support her and also listen to how others feel pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #49

+1 one_voice Feb 2015 #189

+2 nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #260

The last rant lost me when Jezebel TBF Mar 2015 #287

I gotta be for real, here. I think that trying to pull this lady down is a fail. MADem Feb 2015 #39

She will be fine. bravenak Feb 2015 #45

Yeah it was a dumbass thing to say, but I think what she meant was less of MADem Feb 2015 #50

First time for anything... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #48

One of the best responses I've seen yet! AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #53

Thank you. You are so right. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #96

Agree. People need to focus on who the real villains are n2doc Feb 2015 #145

Exactly, I agree 100% nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #151

One disadvantaged group fighting another works extremely well for the wrong people. merrily Feb 2015 #40

All too true, all too *damn* true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #52

Doesn't mean that Meryl Streep cannot have tremendous empathy and compassion for women JDPriestly Feb 2015 #101

True but she is also a vocal feminist. xmas74 Feb 2015 #116

+100. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #266

Well I guess some people can't ever say "good job"! Quantess Feb 2015 #81

I smiled at your post. bravenak Feb 2015 #83

Ha! pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #88

Such a touchy subject. Good to talk about it I think. bravenak Feb 2015 #91

Good to hear voices that too often go unheard pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #95

Thank you. bravenak Feb 2015 #97

I agree, pinboy3niner... OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #160

Do black men generally make sure to also include women when they speak out about inequality? Quantess Feb 2015 #98

Yes. We have been fighting together for 400 years. bravenak Feb 2015 #100

What a load of horseshit.... BooScout Feb 2015 #94

Arquette inserted race. bravenak Feb 2015 #99

In a inclusive context......not a context to exclude. BooScout Feb 2015 #102

See how if black people get offended we have some 'twisted agenda'? bravenak Feb 2015 #103

You give yourself too much credit.... BooScout Feb 2015 #105

Naw, I be trippin' off y'all. bravenak Feb 2015 #107

I don't know about evil agenda.... BooScout Feb 2015 #110

I get to decide when it counts. bravenak Feb 2015 #111

and others of us get to decide it's horsehit....like the article in your OP BooScout Feb 2015 #181

No need to stop by. bravenak Feb 2015 #183

I think people look for reasons to be offended. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #184

no good deed goes unpunished Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #104

+1000. I guess Patricia Arquette just ought to keep her mouth shut, right? Paladin Feb 2015 #146

Lot of whitesplaining in this thread mwrguy Feb 2015 #113

But of course. bravenak Feb 2015 #114

Then you could also say mansplaining and straightsplaining/heteronormativeness stevenleser Feb 2015 #159

Take your semantics romanic Feb 2015 #221

you have 44 posts and you want me to leave this website? mwrguy Feb 2015 #222

I get it, and I applaud you for raising awareness. KMOD Feb 2015 #115

That would have been perfect. bravenak Feb 2015 #117

That Part I Get ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #132

How many critics of Particia in this thread called her trans sister 'a gay man'? Many. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #147

I only saw one person call Alexis a gay man. bravenak Feb 2015 #211

munch the popcorn DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #128

unrec tenderfoot Feb 2015 #130

Cool. bravenak Feb 2015 #135

Don't put words in my mouth. tenderfoot Feb 2015 #137

Why do you think bravenak JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #178

Because I don't get the impression that pay equity is high on her importance list tenderfoot Feb 2015 #179

Are you that ugly fatso Rush Limbaugh? ;-) JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #188

I do. tenderfoot Feb 2015 #190

And I apologize to you JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #192

OP survived a 0-7 alert. PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #138

Good n/t azurnoir Feb 2015 #155

That alert was totally uncalled for. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #169

pretty good responses shaayecanaan Feb 2015 #217

This quote: betsuni Feb 2015 #139

Then do it perfectly right when you win an Oscar. alphafemale Feb 2015 #149

How do you do it perfectly right? MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #157

Oh, perhaps Ms. Arquette has now learned her lesson and will stick to thanking God and her djean111 Feb 2015 #166

If you are "famous", you take the same risk as anybody would in speaking your truth... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #172

So you'd rather she not say anything? Doctor_J Feb 2015 #200

You can safely assume that I am pretty much always being sarcastic. djean111 Feb 2015 #202

Not all Black women share your view on this. Valerie Jarrett, for example Tanuki Feb 2015 #161

Based on the time of that tweet gollygee Feb 2015 #163

I am not dismissing Bravenak's or anyone else's reaction. My point is the same as yours, Tanuki Feb 2015 #164

^truth^ I was off yesterday but, I can't wait to see what the black women at work have to say about Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #167

is the administrator being fired black or white? and the staffers? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #267

The administrator was a white man. This happened early last year. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #268

thanks. health care? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #269

! Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #270

who is this lady and what does she do for a living? snooper2 Feb 2015 #165

Whatever she specifically said "All Women" which includes: dilby Feb 2015 #170

Kick, rec, and keep on posting, please. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #171

Let's form a circular firing squad. We have met the enemy and they is us. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #175

While I admire Ms Arguette for using the oscars as a platform ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #174

Brava! JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #177

I agree her phrasing was awkward, KitSileya Feb 2015 #176

I am no fan of bell hooks... tishaLA Feb 2015 #180

This thread has been bizzare. bravenak Feb 2015 #186

to his credit, Chris Hayes talked about this last night on his show tishaLA Feb 2015 #191

I agree. We all have our blind spots. bravenak Feb 2015 #195

Perfect post. I'm exhausted just reading this thread. Exhausted but not surprised. Number23 Feb 2015 #208

I do think it important to recognize that white women benefited greatly from Affirmative Action BainsBane Feb 2015 #187

This is the last time I'll speak out and let people here know what black peoole think. bravenak Feb 2015 #193

And you raise very important points BainsBane Feb 2015 #194

I saw all of her statements and have read about Ms. Arquette steve2470 Feb 2015 #196

I think you are right. bravenak Feb 2015 #197

I'm all for women's rights, however, I am more interested in civil rights. ariesgem Feb 2015 #199

I was going to say this too, but I already had so much to say. bravenak Feb 2015 #201

"I can't ever recall organized feminist groups coming out in support of the mother's of Travon" Number23 Feb 2015 #210

All true, and disappointing. Strangely I thought her remarks were more about the LGBT community.... bettyellen Feb 2015 #225

"She certainly walks the walk in real life though." Number23 Feb 2015 #232

Yep, she's put in time for good causes for years. Kids, diseases, poverty , education.... bettyellen Feb 2015 #238

K&R. Even with the best of intentions, social movements can have serious blind spots... YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #212

Thanks for the post. bravenak Feb 2015 #215

Speaking out onstage was a good move- Chimeradog Feb 2015 #216

This whole thing is about what she said offstage. bravenak Feb 2015 #218

sry took me awhile Chimeradog Mar 2015 #247

I'm fine with u thinking that. bravenak Mar 2015 #248

ok:) Chimeradog Mar 2015 #249

I agree. Some people have an adgenda where others have legitimate concerns. bravenak Mar 2015 #250

I agree with the OP as far as this goes... shaayecanaan Feb 2015 #220

Patricia Arquette is worth $24 Million, according to Celebrity Net Worth. closeupready Feb 2015 #223

I had wanted Judd to run too. bravenak Feb 2015 #224

How much money do black male celebrities earn? Quantess Feb 2015 #245

I don't agree with this. At least not with holding it against Arquette. DanTex Feb 2015 #226

She is the one who brought up race in the interview. bravenak Feb 2015 #228

Food for thought. You know, I like and respect your posts here a lot. Still not sure I'm DanTex Feb 2015 #229

Ok, here is an article to show you what I mean. bravenak Feb 2015 #230

That's a good article. DanTex Feb 2015 #231

I agree with that. bravenak Feb 2015 #233

+1 ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #234

Well holy shit! marym625 Feb 2015 #235

Whoa! bravenak Feb 2015 #237

LOL! marym625 Feb 2015 #241

A good point I just read from Andrea Grimes KitSileya Feb 2015 #236

Oh, yes. We need to work on that for real. bravenak Feb 2015 #239

OK, now that I have watched the interview marym625 Feb 2015 #240

This is a part of a larger discussion. bravenak Feb 2015 #242

okey dokey then. marym625 Feb 2015 #243

"It's time for (1) all American voters, KMOD Feb 2015 #244

It's like that 'Real American' thing the rights does. bravenak Feb 2015 #246

I guess people should stop speaking out about anything Bettie Mar 2015 #253

Because some people like to be offended romanic Mar 2015 #254

I guess as a white woman I'm not qualified to accept what she said Bettie Mar 2015 #255

My sympathies go out to you, Bettie. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #286

It gets frustrating Bettie Mar 2015 #288

You're welcome. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #289

Huh? What have I missed? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #276

Aw, man, I can't do this one anymore. bravenak Mar 2015 #280

Just saw it this morning. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #281

Thank you. bravenak Mar 2015 #282