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133. In those days both doctors and lawyers took apprentices, so much of what students learned was hands-on

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:48 AM

Feb 2015

Once medical schools were set up, they set the requirements for an MD, not just passing exams but being male. Passing exams mattered; the degree mattered. That's how midwives got marginalized and got the reputation for being dirty and ignorant. They were excluded from formal medical education and outlawed.

As for lawyers, to this day the most important qualification is passing the Bar Exam. You can get your JD from Harvard or from a little regional law school, but if you have not passed the Bar you cannot call yourself a lawyer.

Iirc, Lincoln clerked for a lawyer and studied intensively on his own. I really don't recall the details of his biography, whether he was able to afford to attend a school of law for a time or not, but he passed the Bar.

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Scott Walker does not have a college degree. [View all] MoonRiver Feb 2015 OP

Walker is a tool but it makes us look like elitists to criticize him for not finishing college./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #1

I'm not criticizing him, just stating a fact, MoonRiver Feb 2015 #4

You can include Washington, Lincoln, Jackson, Wilson, and Truman... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2015 #77

NO, I'm talking about the image/perception of competency that MoonRiver Feb 2015 #82

Good luck winning the presidency AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #116

Lincoln was a lawyer, how could he have not had a degree? treestar Feb 2015 #123

Here ya go. TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2015 #125

There was a public service announcement several years ago Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #132

In those days both doctors and lawyers took apprentices, so much of what students learned was hands-on Hekate Feb 2015 #133

Oh thanks for that. I had forgotten that concept. treestar Feb 2015 #134

Remembering fine details in college work Joe Turner Feb 2015 #126

It is not elitist... Kalidurga Feb 2015 #13

Actually... his majors were reportedly close to mine FBaggins Feb 2015 #17

That is sad Kalidurga Feb 2015 #24

Jesuit schools are perhaps bigger on "the end justifies the means" than on critical thinking. Scuba Feb 2015 #22

Oh I had no idea... Kalidurga Feb 2015 #29

And Squat Wanker is as sceevy as they come. Scuba Feb 2015 #33

He has admitted, on video, that he wants to divide and conquer the working class of America randys1 Feb 2015 #54

That has not been my experience at all. mrs_p Feb 2015 #67

Maybe Walker missed the critical thinking curriculum. Scuba Feb 2015 #81

That I could believe. mrs_p Feb 2015 #85

Yeah, spelling, math and ethics for sure. Scuba Feb 2015 #86

The poster who said that has no idea what the Jesuits stand for. You are correct, they are the Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #120

I was practically raised by them mrs_p Feb 2015 #122

He left senior year so he got some of what you mentioned yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #37

while trying to cut funding for the University of Wisconsin by $300 million CreekDog Feb 2015 #47

After 4 years of college, he was still 34 credits short of his degree. snacker Feb 2015 #80

You sound impressed with him. tenderfoot Feb 2015 #83

I wouldn't vote for him yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #84

As business majors we took science and upaloopa Feb 2015 #102

A college degree has the standing that a high school degree used to have. pnwmom Feb 2015 #98

I expect my President to be elite. I don't want an average Joe for president Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #119

It is not the lack of a degree that is the issue. Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #129

Oh my, do tell! 2naSalit Feb 2015 #130

From another thread, my thanks to malaise for finding it. Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #131

Awesome! 2naSalit Feb 2015 #135

There are many who will vote for him for that reason edhopper Feb 2015 #2

The Know-Nothing Party is alive and well. CanonRay Feb 2015 #8

In other words, "that's a feature, not a bug"! bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #20

Yes edhopper Feb 2015 #43

Sorry - got that wrong. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #3

Psssst, you forgot the sarcasm smilie. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #5

No problem. They're all basically the same, ignorant aholes. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #16

Im afraid he can turn that to an advantage among the rednecks. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #6

What a waste of breathable air. egduj Feb 2015 #7

Only 29 percent of Americans have a degree yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #38

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess they were joking. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #46

Maybe your right. Lol. yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #58

Actually they pretty much are. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #55

Whatever. Your sole opinion. yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #60

Yup. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #61

That's good. I like him too yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #62

I believe so, although if we go a bit farther back Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #64

Tesla was a tech college dropout back in Austria before he immigrated. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #68

No, it's not disgusting. But it might factor into the election. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #48

I want to know if he has human DNA olddots Feb 2015 #9

He's a college drop out.... DonViejo Feb 2015 #10

I've read reports its more like a full year GusBob Feb 2015 #25

Marquette university forthemiddle Feb 2015 #40

K bros are buying a lot of colleges with large donations. oldandhappy Feb 2015 #11

A lack of college degree may help Walker with the teaparty base Gothmog Feb 2015 #12

I was talking about the GENERAL election, were he to win the primary. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #19

The Democrats will probably not make a big deal about this Gothmog Feb 2015 #89

The issue will have already been raised in the primary. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #91

It may not be an issue for the GOP base Gothmog Feb 2015 #92

The clown car jokers will find a way to skewer him with it. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #94

So might wearing a coonskin cap and slinging a flintlock musket aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #107

smarts are not required for R's holding office. Case in point - Dubya Lil Missy Feb 2015 #14

He had the academic credentials, even if he bought them. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #21

Jesus H. Christ---Even PALIN has a college degree. Paladin Feb 2015 #15

Palin and so many though are educated idiots! Lots of those!!! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #18

It's all about image! MoonRiver Feb 2015 #23

IMO, he has replaced MItt as the new avatar and has the best odds to be the next POTUS. CK_John Feb 2015 #26

Didn't work out so well for Mitt though. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #27

I don't think we have heard the last of Mitt. CK_John Feb 2015 #32

You can say it's elitist all you want to expect POTUS to have a degree, but IMO we have onecaliberal Feb 2015 #28

Not having a degree DOES NOT equal stupid. Not having a degree DOES NOT equal "without education". cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #66

+1 Go Vols Feb 2015 #71

Uh-huh. Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #106

To me it's the reason he doesn't have one ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #30

Or Steve Jobs. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #35

Well let's just keep setting that bar lower for what we expect out of our Presidents. dilby Feb 2015 #31

The gut has always picked the President. CK_John Feb 2015 #34

So? Egnever Feb 2015 #36

Imagine if Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton did not have a college degree YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #39

+1 MoonRiver Feb 2015 #45

What classes from his last semester do you think are essential for a president? DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #41

For me, it's in the context of Walker's policy assaults on public employees in Wisconsin YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #42

Sorry, but I'm not attacking him. Just stating a fact. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #49

Another "quitter" like Palin. They would certainly make a great team... CTyankee Feb 2015 #44

Scott Walker is the very definition of "Career Politician" tenderfoot Feb 2015 #50

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were also college dropouts kwassa Feb 2015 #51

Have Gates or Jobs run for office? tenderfoot Feb 2015 #78

If they had... philosslayer Feb 2015 #93

Probably. Would that stop you from voting for them? tenderfoot Feb 2015 #96

As some pundit said, the more interesting question is why? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #52

Truman did not have one either. 840high Feb 2015 #53

That was over half a century ago YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #56

That's ok. He was a good prez. 840high Feb 2015 #63

A college education =/= merely "book knowledge" YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #65

That doesn't mean a person without a college degree would be the best qualified today. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #99

Bush has one. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #57

Most TEA BAGGERS SNEAR at yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #59

Did you know that YarnAddict Feb 2015 #108

OKAY so does this mean you yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #110

The problem is YarnAddict Feb 2015 #112

So you are here to solve those problems yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #113

Nope. Just point them out. n/t YarnAddict Feb 2015 #114

Maybe it be more clear if yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #115

Actually, it's the reason why that's important KamaAina Feb 2015 #69

MU says YarnAddict Feb 2015 #109

Bill Gates dropped out of college but founded and ran an extremely successful company. spin Feb 2015 #70

I would not want to vote for even highly successful tech guys who don't have a degree aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #111

That sounds fair to me. ... spin Feb 2015 #118

So far down my concern tree that he'll be dead before I get to it. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #72

NOT TRUE. He has a degree from The International College of Metaphysical Theology HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #73

So? bigwillq Feb 2015 #74

So...his lack of erudition makes him tremendously reliant on advisors HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #75

I would guess that most major politicians rely on advisors. bigwillq Feb 2015 #76

Agreed. Most people don't major in "Being Governor" so it's not really relevant. arcane1 Feb 2015 #103

There is a lot to criticize about Walker, but this is not a big deal to me. Throd Feb 2015 #79

Well, Scotty is somewhere in between that HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #90

I don't care. I think many don't. n/t Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #87

This shouldn't be an issue jmowreader Feb 2015 #95

But his lack of a college degree is connected to his dangerous ideas. pnwmom Feb 2015 #100

He was working on a degree in ECONOMICs... now WI debt is near $3B and Scott is skipping payments HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #101

He'll pay more for Auto insurance ;-) Bonx Feb 2015 #97

People can educate themselves if they have curious minds, which I'm not sure conservatives have aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #104

Now claiming a college degree and not having one is a pink elephant......n/t suston96 Feb 2015 #105

Congress will probably provide him education money so he can get one of those online degrees. nt valerief Feb 2015 #117

Here's a thought... this country has been FUCKED nine ways from Sunday by... BY... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #121

But he's got HIGH KOCHS! DeSwiss Feb 2015 #124

I hate to disillusion them but not having a degree is a big plus among a lot of Americans tularetom Feb 2015 #127

Scott Walker doen't have a clue. JEB Feb 2015 #128