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romanic

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160. There seems to be more to it than that.

Reply to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #119)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:34 PM

Feb 2015

Its not just the "white woman saying something admirable" thing that puts a sore spot in those who nitpick; it's her words that weren't "inclusive" enough or "ignored intersectional oppression" or something. Her semantics are "problematic" and not good enough for the eternally offended.

I'm sure most gay/poc took her statement as admirable but its those on the fringe (aka "black Twitter" - laughable considering that's a small segment of black Twitter users who do not speak for black people on Twitter) that just want to twist Patricia's words to feed their outrage.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, yeah i can acknowledge feminism has a flipflop relationship with woc and gay men as well (not even going to go into radfem's views on gay men - thats a whole new topic) but that's not Patricia's fault or position to fix that.

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Patricia Arquette said "women." She didn't say "white women." [View all] TeeYiYi Feb 2015 OP

I took it that way myself a bit. bravenak Feb 2015 #1

Why did you take it that way?... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #13

We have been focusing on womens rights all along. bravenak Feb 2015 #14

That's not what I heard. TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #18

No. She said it was time for the gays and blacks that 'women' have fought for.... bravenak Feb 2015 #19

She's asking... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #24

We already have been. We have fewer rights than yr average white woman like her. bravenak Feb 2015 #26

Why do you... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #28

Because she isolated my blackness. bravenak Feb 2015 #32

How did she do that?... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #36

Black women have been fighting for their own rights. bravenak Feb 2015 #39

Patricia Arquette... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #45

Thank you for this thread, TYY. This needs to be discussed. It has been on my mind all day. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #46

Who attacked her? bravenak Feb 2015 #49

In all due respect... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #85

It was what she said behind the scenes not what she said on stage. bravenak Feb 2015 #86

Mea Culpa bravenak malokvale77 Feb 2015 #87

You have fought for YOUR rights, as so you should. All we're saying is to step Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #139

"women have less rights than all minorties"! BULLSHIT!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #138

+1, n/t Exhibit A Feb 2015 #52

She likely posted that tweet after she got loads of backlash from people of color. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #135

It certainly didn't "exclude" anybody. You are *so* right. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #43

As a white woman, her wage is typically higher than blacks. And we've seen white Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #132

We've already been doing that! And how do you ask an already damaged Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #126

Are you denying that Not All Black Women are feminists? Are you denying that Not All LGBT are Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #40

Not saying that all black women are feminists. bravenak Feb 2015 #47

Whitesplaining? nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #50

Yes. bravenak Feb 2015 #51

should we start incarcerating white men at this same rate? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #54

We should stop incarcerating black men at such a tremendously high rate. bravenak Feb 2015 #58

of course you are right. do you think white feminist women have not been saying this all along? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #60

This. Just this. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #65

I do not think they see it as a priority as we do. bravenak Feb 2015 #67

yes, that is what I thought I said. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #70

I would love it if we could magic it all away. bravenak Feb 2015 #71

time. patience. we grow old. No one gets past time - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #74

That was nice. bravenak Feb 2015 #77

Thank you for your posts in this thread. KitSileya Feb 2015 #88

It is a common problem. bravenak Feb 2015 #90

It sure was a good read! KitSileya Feb 2015 #109

I think we can all learn something from listening to each other. bravenak Feb 2015 #110

Thank you so much, too! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #149

Democrats have voted for those policies that incarcerate black men for decades Fumesucker Feb 2015 #83

You are so right. That is my problem with liberal drug warriors and such. bravenak Feb 2015 #84

! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #57

I understand your frustration with being labelled like that. Bonobo Feb 2015 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #63

yes, my 1/16th Black head and my 1/8th American Indian head tell me EXACTLY that. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #66

bravenak, I wish there was some way to reach out to your sister. --- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #53

Listening is the only way. bravenak Feb 2015 #55

so then, I should shut up? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #56

No. bravenak Feb 2015 #59

thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #61

May I ask you a question.... one_voice Feb 2015 #68

That is not unique to your family. bravenak Feb 2015 #69

Thanks for answering... one_voice Feb 2015 #73

Many black women do not consider themselves feminists; or, do not use that term Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #146

Uhm. Ok. I will shut up now. And, I will send Patricia Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #164

I had no idea... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #166

That is interesting because many Christian African Americans are not particularly enamored by gay still_one Feb 2015 #104

What the hell dors that have to do with me? bravenak Feb 2015 #105

For the record... Takket Feb 2015 #75

Yeah... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #76

We don't take issue with that aspect of her statement. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #150

Where did she say "all women"? I'll wait... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #124

I felt like once again, black woman is a subcategory." F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #80

You have a good night too. Have a good ride. bravenak Feb 2015 #82

I don't disagree with you Aerows Feb 2015 #95

Black men also get shafted. bravenak Feb 2015 #96

I added an addendum to my post Aerows Feb 2015 #97

I should stop moving so fast. bravenak Feb 2015 #98

So who is this she Aerows Feb 2015 #99

It wasn't exactly awful. bravenak Feb 2015 #100

On twitter, it seems many African Americans and gays LittleBlue Feb 2015 #2

Exactly.nt bravenak Feb 2015 #4

"Felt like" and "as if"... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #8

You have to understand what it feels like LittleBlue Feb 2015 #12

She was saying... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #15

This was her quote LittleBlue Feb 2015 #17

No... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #20

Hmmm, well LittleBlue Feb 2015 #23

Pasty white guy here Egnever Feb 2015 #22

Exactly. I think you put your finger on it LittleBlue Feb 2015 #25

That's exactly right... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #27

I do think that is what she intended Egnever Feb 2015 #31

^^^^ EXACTLY ^^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #42

YES. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #44

That seems to be the new standard... Oktober Feb 2015 #81

The problem is that the person you're responding to is reading into her statement Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #152

This deserves a thousand recs. Sincerely. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #92

+1 nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #79

EXACTLY!! You get it! Why are people in this thread acting as if they don't? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #144

Outrage porn? upaloopa Feb 2015 #3

I'm sorry but... Takket Feb 2015 #5

Wrong. You are wrong. bravenak Feb 2015 #6

....or too easily offended. Takket Feb 2015 #7

Wrong again. bravenak Feb 2015 #16

I'm saying you are perceiving a slight where none exists Takket Feb 2015 #72

Ok. bravenak Feb 2015 #78

Self-righteous and or thristy for attention romanic Feb 2015 #101

You know so much about me. bravenak Feb 2015 #102

Spare me the melodrama. romanic Feb 2015 #112

No bravenak Feb 2015 #113

. romanic Feb 2015 #114

Do we really need to draw a Venn diagram? Takket Feb 2015 #9

I know... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #10

ave you taken even a moment's pause to consider ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #11

yes and... Takket Feb 2015 #21

What you are saying here is NOT what you replied above ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #33

GOOd FOR HER> YES!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #48

Yes, I have. I know women of color and LGBT who are Not FEMINISTS. Don't you? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #41

She must be ostracized Depaysement Feb 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #30

WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #35

He's all about that income inequality YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #37

I suspect you may be correct. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #116

WTH? 840high Feb 2015 #34

I think she meant well Bjorn Against Feb 2015 #38

And, to her substantial credit, she even clarified things on Twitter..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #64

I know she wasn't being homophobic. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #89

The best way not to offend for what you say -- is to keep your mouth closed. DeSwiss Feb 2015 #91

It's a reason why I've become so critical of SJWesque loopiness as of late. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #93

Evidently. Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #94

When she said ALL WOMEN, that is exactly what she meant. This was about women, and that people are still_one Feb 2015 #107

Well she did leave out Jewish, Muslim, and Native American women also. In all seriousness it is still_one Feb 2015 #103

She said "every woman." BainsBane Feb 2015 #106

Exactly, and her context was inclusive for all women. It is so obvious what she meant it is still_one Feb 2015 #108

The controversy? "people of color and gays need to fight for us like we fought for them"... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #154

I didn't see that part BainsBane Feb 2015 #156

Here it is... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #159

I see your point BainsBane Feb 2015 #161

She asked... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #165

So, all the people who are angry at Arquette for her statements...not just me... Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #169

Don't get it either malaise Feb 2015 #111

Why? the answer is "intersectionality" Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #115

Exactly. historylovr Feb 2015 #117

Gotta divide if you want to conquer. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #118

I was thinking wtf too until it occurred to me... Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #119

Agreed... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #120

There seems to be more to it than that. romanic Feb 2015 #160

Yeah, I don't get it treestar Feb 2015 #121

She probably should've said... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #125

Well if you attack the messenger you never have to hear the message. dilby Feb 2015 #122

She didn't have to! It was understood by us. So let me turn your statement around... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #123

I don't get your leap of logic at all. Demit Feb 2015 #127

Nope. That's your lack of understanding of what I wrote. And you calling me angry... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #136

Show me where I called you angry. Demit Feb 2015 #142

You don't get to tell me what to do. I am a black woman. Black women, on average, Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #143

But I didn't tell you what to do. Demit Feb 2015 #147

Yes she meant Black Men and Gay Men. dilby Feb 2015 #130

Can you point out specifically where she said "ALL WOMEN" because I do not recall her Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #134

Right here: dilby Feb 2015 #137

Look, don't play me for stupid! That's not what I am referring to and you know it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #141

I find the debate over fredamae Feb 2015 #128

Thank you. I made the exact same point on another post. whathehell Feb 2015 #129

Another liberal circular firing squad. Squabbling over who is more entitled Lex Feb 2015 #131

WOW Mr Dixon Feb 2015 #133

Because no good point can go unshitted on, on teh internets. Inkfreak Feb 2015 #140

Arquette fires back Takket Feb 2015 #145

Good for her. And her critics need to LISTEN... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #148

All that she states/writes here is FINE! No one takes issue with what she's writing here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #157

She's not telling you or any other black woman what to do... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #162

Note: AFTER the backlash she got. She acting like a victim doesn't work on me. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #155

She doesn't care if people are pissed; that's hardly acting like a victim. SMC22307 Feb 2015 #158

The right wing echo propaganda machine is effective at changing things. Dawson Leery Feb 2015 #151

This whole thing would be funny if it wasn't so fucktastically sad BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #153

K&R for "fucktastically sad." WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #163

Never mind. The Church Of Perpetual Outrage is too busy huffing and puffing to hear any sense Doctor_J Feb 2015 #167

This is a problem that is marym625 Feb 2015 #168