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LWolf

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157. Excessive force? Absolutely.

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 09:38 AM

Feb 2015

There's no need to beat up on little old ladies.

That said, though:

1. Don't put your grandkids' school in the middle of your custody dispute. We have to enforce restraining orders.

2. Don't "show up with cupcakes" whether there is a restraining order or not. First of all, if you want to bring treats, make arrangements with the teacher ahead of time, instead of expecting the teacher to just drop the current lesson so that you can fill the students full of sugar.

3. Once you've made arrangements with the teacher to show up with treats, make sure they are treats approved by district policy. That means no home-made treats, among other things.

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Grandma Maced By Police For Bringing Cupcakes To Granddaughter�s Classroom [View all] n2doc Feb 2015 OP

Daily Caller?! KamaAina Feb 2015 #1

I wont click on a link to a source that is non credible, but if Tucker is upset it is because randys1 Feb 2015 #2

here's a different link n2doc Feb 2015 #5

USA! USA! USA! Land of the free....home of the brave! Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #3

lemmie guess, she's black AngryAmish Feb 2015 #4

Nope. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2015 #9

Nope, looks white. There was also a court order that forbid her from being there cstanleytech Feb 2015 #83

Why would that be "interesting"? jberryhill Feb 2015 #86

So you are saying you arent interested in learning why a cstanleytech Feb 2015 #92

No, I got tired of that side of the discussion jberryhill Feb 2015 #95

here: niyad Feb 2015 #89

Guardianship revoked jberryhill Feb 2015 #93

nice. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #94

Grandmother had been the guardian jberryhill Feb 2015 #96

I guess it's easy for me to see the forest for the trees, BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #101

not to mention a rent-a-thug with an attitude. niyad Feb 2015 #99

Just to be clear I dont know what happened myself in this case maybe it was innocent visit cstanleytech Feb 2015 #102

mmmmmm.....sorry, I have to disagree...and more strongly than "almost." BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #107

Mace is a far better option than some others like a gun. cstanleytech Feb 2015 #122

Where did you get a restraining order? rpannier Feb 2015 #118

In answer to your last question... jberryhill Feb 2015 #123

If you say so rpannier Feb 2015 #131

Quite a coincidence, don't you think? jberryhill Feb 2015 #133

Cops think lots of things rpannier Feb 2015 #134

Those were totally unjustified and wrong jberryhill Feb 2015 #137

And unless you can show that's what she was doing rpannier Feb 2015 #141

since you read the story, you also know that when the cop told her to leave the premises magical thyme Feb 2015 #155

"doesn't mean you aren't allowed to visit" jberryhill Feb 2015 #156

a custody battle would lead a court to assign a temporary guardian magical thyme Feb 2015 #158

The custody dispute appears to be over jberryhill Feb 2015 #159

obviously we don't know those details magical thyme Feb 2015 #160

"Per her complaint..." jberryhill Feb 2015 #161

he. my mistake. magical thyme Feb 2015 #163

KFSN-TV (Fresno ABC affiliate) story on the issue... PoliticAverse Feb 2015 #6

Our magnificent, brave and dedicated police. hifiguy Feb 2015 #7

"saying there was a restraining order against her" jberryhill Feb 2015 #8

"and there was not a restraining order against her." PoliticAverse Feb 2015 #10

...in a paragraph sourced to her attorney jberryhill Feb 2015 #11

Did the cop tell her that it was school policy did not allow people to enter TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #12

These are allegations in a civil lawsuit jberryhill Feb 2015 #15

She wouldn't have gotten in to my schools because the doors TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #19

This much is clear.... jberryhill Feb 2015 #23

Yes. The lady is 78 years old. panader0 Feb 2015 #20

it would be d_r Feb 2015 #87

Most elementary schools (or at least my daughters' schools) don't allow home baked foods. . . Journeyman Feb 2015 #13

It's not about the food jberryhill Feb 2015 #18

My schools where I taught did NOT mace elderly women. Ever. madfloridian Feb 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #42

Is granny spry? jberryhill Feb 2015 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #153

Should ask grandparents who accidentally arrive at their grandchildrens elementary school Trajan Feb 2015 #41

'accidentally'? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #44

And called the non-custodial parent on a cell phone instead of leaving jberryhill Feb 2015 #48

Given DU's demographics, though, I suspect your points will fall on deaf ears Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #49

according to the linked article, she was IN HER CAR, talking to her son, when the rent-a-thug niyad Feb 2015 #91

Yeah, calling her son... jberryhill Feb 2015 #104

she was IN HER CAR. niyad Feb 2015 #109

Did the engine work? jberryhill Feb 2015 #120

Our schools allow it. The teachers will let you know if there TBF Feb 2015 #80

Let us guess your point here. If the statement is sourced to her attorney, it must be rhett o rick Feb 2015 #14

"Victim guilty" jberryhill Feb 2015 #16

We do not know why the police did not allow her to see her granddaughters. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #25

Then you certainly missed this part of the article jberryhill Feb 2015 #39

I read that and it clearly doesn't indicate why she hasn't seen them. But you surmise rhett o rick Feb 2015 #136

From reading further reports, we do know jberryhill Feb 2015 #138

So you think the officer was justified in beating her up? That's what this is all rhett o rick Feb 2015 #143

I'm in agreement with you on this. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #22

Not just any visitor... jberryhill Feb 2015 #26

I think you're right. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #28

...and infowars, to name a few jberryhill Feb 2015 #34

Oh man, I threw out Alex Jones's name almost by reflex. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #35

Take a look at the WND version - and comments jberryhill Feb 2015 #85

It is safe H. Cromwell Feb 2015 #105

She "tried to explain" jberryhill Feb 2015 #106

Vacate the property H. Cromwell Feb 2015 #111

But you don't understand, she was trying to explain jberryhill Feb 2015 #113

Leave the property H. Cromwell Feb 2015 #117

I think that's probably right. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #130

Yeah, there is something else to this story for sure. cwydro Feb 2015 #37

Wow that is a stupid argument jeff47 Feb 2015 #162

But you can understand assaulting her? Matariki Feb 2015 #27

Neither of us know what happened jberryhill Feb 2015 #29

How can you possibly be an apologist for stuff like this? Matariki Feb 2015 #31

because the story smells like bullshit, and if there's a custody dispute AND a restraining order Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #33

Because the context reads like an Amber Alert in the making jberryhill Feb 2015 #36

Those of us who have practiced domestic relations and juvenile law have seen too many times. Shrike47 Feb 2015 #71

You should have seen the grandpa who shot up our Family Court! jberryhill Feb 2015 #74

I don't disagree with keeping random people out of the school - that's not the issue Matariki Feb 2015 #172

WHY DO YOU HATE CUPCAKES? AND GRANNIES? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #32

Obviously this shouldn't have happened, but Renew Deal Feb 2015 #43

Let's talk about Prince Charming for a moment jberryhill Feb 2015 #140

You think it's odd for her to talk to the parent she likes? jeff47 Feb 2015 #164

Can you understand why anyone would have a problem with a 78 year old woman being maced? cui bono Feb 2015 #69

I had a problem with an 89 year old going on a shooting rampage jberryhill Feb 2015 #72

I think everyone sees the problem with it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2015 #125

There are thousanads, if not hundreds of thousands of kids abducted by grandparents, napi21 Feb 2015 #127

there is usually also a "do not let the kid go with" list mopinko Feb 2015 #129

Yeah, RobinA Feb 2015 #169

I wonder what would have happened if they were Snickers bars or Almond Joys? Initech Feb 2015 #17

It's not the food jberryhill Feb 2015 #21

The thlot pickens pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #24

Right. Why would the cops try to keep someone in a custody dispute who has a restraining order Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #30

So now many in this thread support macing an elderly woman with cupcakes. Good Lord!! madfloridian Feb 2015 #40

Why? You don't? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #45

14% of family abductions are by grandparents jberryhill Feb 2015 #51

I get that Renew Deal Feb 2015 #55

I also think that if you take the accounts being relayed by Alex Jones, etc at face value Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #59

I don't think it's a stretch to say the headline is being used to conceal part of the real story. nm ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2015 #126

Such a tragedy she could not abduct children over which her guardianship was revoked jberryhill Feb 2015 #46

Situations like that happened often during my teaching years. Ridiculous stupid way to handle it. madfloridian Feb 2015 #50

If it was just a granny showing up with brownies, sure. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #53

Oh, well then, just pepper spray or tase granny. madfloridian Feb 2015 #58

Yeah, look what they did to Cliven Bundy for just grazin' his cattle jberryhill Feb 2015 #63

Right. Sort of like me suggesting you're fine with children being kidnapped or worse, huh? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #64

Hell, I was just about to post that we should all hop in my pickup truck... BlueJazz Feb 2015 #70

68 year old grandfather here killed two in a custody dispute jberryhill Feb 2015 #75

Then your skills are sorely needed to stop 28,000 children a year abducted by grandparents... jberryhill Feb 2015 #57

so many in this thread think that the very common instances of custody-related kidnappings that Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #47

Grandparent is the abductor 28,000 times a year jberryhill Feb 2015 #54

Thank you for being a voice of sanity and reason. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #56

I don't think that is true at all Egnever Feb 2015 #61

He pulled her out of the car and onto the pavement. She was IN her car. madfloridian Feb 2015 #65

Says granny who is ignoring protocols in the first place? Egnever Feb 2015 #67

It's the MRA brigade jberryhill Feb 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #154

200,000 parental child abductions in 2010 alone. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #52

Next time someone posts an amber alert here... jberryhill Feb 2015 #60

He pulled her out of the car and onto the pavement. She was IN her car. madfloridian Feb 2015 #62

And SID DITHERS WAS STANDING THERE LAUGHING! jberryhill Feb 2015 #66

... Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #73

HEY!!... SidDithers Feb 2015 #170

The Notorious S.I.D. strikes again. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #173

The video says there was no restraining order against her. madfloridian Feb 2015 #68

I'm going to guess you haven't read the whole thread jberryhill Feb 2015 #77

"A custody dispute left her unable to see the girls" Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #78

She didn't know how to work the car jberryhill Feb 2015 #79

Who raises those assholes? Jamastiene Feb 2015 #81

Which ones? jberryhill Feb 2015 #90

Why include your daily caller link? Please don't like to RW sites here. alp227 Feb 2015 #82

Because among the alternatives is infowars jberryhill Feb 2015 #84

maybe there wasnt a "restraining order" but i got a feeling mopinko Feb 2015 #88

Our school kept those in disputes away from the kids without help of police. madfloridian Feb 2015 #98

And you know they didn't "lock the classroom and call the cop" jberryhill Feb 2015 #108

You are right. They could not take the chance she might hurt the police. madfloridian Feb 2015 #110

Alas her car afforded no opportunity for escape or shelter jberryhill Feb 2015 #112

Yes, they were right to drag her out and incapacitate her for their own safety madfloridian Feb 2015 #114

She was refusing to leave jberryhill Feb 2015 #116

Hey, I said they were right to overpower her so she would pose no danger. madfloridian Feb 2015 #119

You guys are right. Safer to incapacitate the old lady in case police weren't strong enough. madfloridian Feb 2015 #97

nobody said that. mopinko Feb 2015 #100

Of course. They needed to be sure the cops weren't harmed by her. madfloridian Feb 2015 #103

No, they should have brought her a fast food order jberryhill Feb 2015 #121

I am glad she was detained peacefully, those cupcakes probably had anthrax in them. Rex Feb 2015 #115

You know... jberryhill Feb 2015 #124

Weird shit like bring cupcakes to a school, sweet old grandma? What are you? Satan? Rex Feb 2015 #132

I know, silly me, right? jberryhill Feb 2015 #135

Why wouldn't the court give the kids back to the mom? Is that unusual? Rex Feb 2015 #139

The parents did not "go asshole on her" jberryhill Feb 2015 #146

I like to pretend she deserved what happened to her, also. LanternWaste Feb 2015 #168

At least the granddaughters sunnystarr Feb 2015 #128

I agree. madfloridian Feb 2015 #142

Oh come on, you know she was going to knife those kids after school! Rex Feb 2015 #145

How many of these do you want? jberryhill Feb 2015 #147

I agree the women could spit acid at least 20 yards. I would have tased her first. Rex Feb 2015 #148

The gingerbread house is usually a tip-off jberryhill Feb 2015 #150

It puts the lotion on it's skin or it gets the cupcakes again. Rex Feb 2015 #151

In happier days, this family performed as The Aristocrats jberryhill Feb 2015 #152

I think you won the universe with that post. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #166

How come dad didn't have any visitation? jberryhill Feb 2015 #144

Excessive force? Absolutely. LWolf Feb 2015 #157

"Absolutely." Since none of us were there we cant know what happened for certain cstanleytech Feb 2015 #167

At my school, all visitors, even parents, have to register in the main office. Starry Messenger Feb 2015 #165

Only in the USA. Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #171