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In reply to the discussion: Another BRILLIANT strategy in the offings ... [View all]Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)91. Easier to beat up on liberals, I know..
Actually I rather suspect we want much the same things but differ on strategy and tactics.
The thing is that conservatives are actually quite easy to overwhelm if you get them where they can't just cut off your mic and you have a good command of facts and rhetoric.
I did it for several years on riehlworldview and balloon-juice. In fact John Cole of balloon-juice flipped from conservative to liberal because his commenters beat the snot out of him over a period of years, I am proud to be one of those who helped him see the light.
I have long standing permission to post whatever I wish from that blog.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/03/21/my-iraq-war-retrospective/
I see that Andrew Sullivan was asked to list what he got wrong about Iraq for the five year anniversary of the invasion, and since I was as big a war booster as anyone, I thought I would list what I got wrong:
Everything.
And I dont say that to provide people with an easy way to beat up on me, but I do sort of have to face facts. I was wrong about everything.
I was wrong about the Doctrine of Pre-emptive warfare.
I was wrong about Iraq possessing WMD.
I was wrong about Scott Ritter and the inspections.
I was wrong about the UN involvement in weapons inspections.
I was wrong about the containment sanctions.
I was wrong about the broader impact of the war on the Middle East.
I was wrong about this making us more safe.
I was wrong about the number of troops needed to stabilize Iraq.
I was wrong when I stated this administration had a clear plan for the aftermath.
I was wrong about securing the ammunition dumps.
I was wrong about the ease of bringing democracy to the Middle East.
I was wrong about dissolving the Iraqi army.
I was wrong about the looting being unimportant.
I was wrong that Bush/Cheney were competent.
I was wrong that we would be greeted as liberators.
I was wrong to make fun of the anti-war protestors.
I was wrong not to trust the dirty smelly hippies.
I mean, I could go down the list and continue on, but you get the point. I was wrong about EVERY. GOD. DAMNED. THING. It is amazing I could tie my shoes in 2001-2004. If you took all the wrongness I generated, put it together and compacted it and processed it, there would be enough concentrated stupid to fuel three hundred years of Weekly Standard journals. I am not sure how I snapped out of it, but I think Abu Ghraib and the negative impact of the insurgency did sober me up a bit.
War should always be an absolute last resort, not just another option. I will never make the same mistakes again
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Okayy?? Talking to the American people and educated advisors about what's important is WRONG now???
Number23
Feb 2015
#84
"Is it because so many Democratic/liberla/left side do not bother to vote..."?
LondonReign2
Feb 2015
#17
You would think so, wouldn't you? But nooooo, only Obama The Weak is singled out.
randome
Feb 2015
#37
What difference does it make if there was or was not a veto proof majority in the Senate?
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#48
How many times does that (rw-talking point) "majority of both houses" narrative ...
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2015
#27
Convicted by a majority Democratic Senate then but not by a Republican one now?
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#71
I'm surrounded by conservatives so I have no choice really, either go along or find ways to convince
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#98
And that's when we got the single piece of progressiveish legislatiion. n/t
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2015
#55
and as we see now one is not required to push the ideas. Make them fillabuster. Licking their taints
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#66
Well, since Pres Obama is backing progressive legislation now that can't pass the GOP congress,
RiverLover
Feb 2015
#15
Yes, that's why he whipped authentic but pliable Democrats for the Citigroup Cromnibus to pass
RiverLover
Feb 2015
#23
Creative speculation. The proposal is in black and white on official stationary,
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#62
Going anywhere is not the question. Where are these proposals going? Where did Bush's privatization
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#85