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joshcryer

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150. I saw what happened, historically.

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 06:09 AM

Feb 2015

It happened, it's gone and done, it is over with. You can't go back and claim to rewrite history. Obama didn't "shut out single payer" he never advocated for single payer. Not once did he advocate for it.

What's the "bully pulpit"? What was he supposed to do? Leave the negotiating table and go to some town hall meetings that the media wouldn't even cover? The Republicans would've loved that one and cracked up at the naivety of it all.

But, naturally, you make things personal. I'm sorry, I respect the President for what he did with the small window of opportunity that he had, especially when he had to deal with Blue Dogs to get it done. I'm sorry this appears to bug you so much that you have to call me an "apologist" and that "because of people like me" the country "keeps moving to the right."

I don't shit on the good incremental changes that happens, that's it. Big fucking deal. States will be adopting single payer by the end of this decade, and it will be only because of the ACA. That's the kind of change that's possible, not fantasy land where people don't even know how the negotiation process works.

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Sanders: Obama lost touch with grass-roots movement [View all] n2doc Feb 2015 OP

crazy that Obama ever thought he could negotiate with repukes Skittles Feb 2015 #1

Or that he believed more in his own idea of himself truebluegreen Feb 2015 #16

...or, at least that was the cover story. (N/T) bvar22 Feb 2015 #23

pfft...sigh randys1 Feb 2015 #26

Christ. joshcryer Feb 2015 #59

Key word "campaigned". cui bono Feb 2015 #98

It was a campaign promise. joshcryer Feb 2015 #112

So leaving the grass roots behind was a campaign promise? cui bono Feb 2015 #116

He "campaigned" on many things... bvar22 Feb 2015 #109

Absolutely idiotic. joshcryer Feb 2015 #111

Speaking of idiotic, something you are personally familiar with, bvar22 Feb 2015 #113

LOL, it continues! joshcryer Feb 2015 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #117

Welcome to DU! cui bono Feb 2015 #119

That the ACA was a "cover story"? joshcryer Feb 2015 #131

You have really lost the plot. The smiley is the final proof. cui bono Feb 2015 #118

That is a diversion and you know it. joshcryer Feb 2015 #130

You are the one who is practicing diversion and is in the "fucking twilight zone". cui bono Feb 2015 #135

So what did you expect him to do? joshcryer Feb 2015 #139

If he really wanted the public option, why did he have secret meetings with big pharma? cui bono Feb 2015 #144

The public option was on the table. joshcryer Feb 2015 #147

So you don't know how to negotiate or are you just pretending not to so you can cui bono Feb 2015 #149

I saw what happened, historically. joshcryer Feb 2015 #150

He absolutely shut out single-payer. He didn't campaign on having secret meetings with big pharma cui bono Feb 2015 #159

He never advocated for single payer. joshcryer Feb 2015 #160

LOL! cui bono Feb 2015 #167

Making stuff up again? bvar22 Feb 2015 #133

+1 for truth. Truth that some just don't want to hear. n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #136

Obama didn't have the votes. joshcryer Feb 2015 #138

He NEVER tried to get the votes. cui bono Feb 2015 #145

That is a lie repeated here quite often. joshcryer Feb 2015 #148

Did you watch the video of Candidate Obama. bvar22 Feb 2015 #164

Yes, his Harry and Louise ads. joshcryer Feb 2015 #165

LOL,..I wonder... Stellar Feb 2015 #153

Just typical ratfucking. joshcryer Feb 2015 #154

hurt feelings Stellar Feb 2015 #166

Funny how there has to be some nefarious plot behind all criticism of Obama cui bono Feb 2015 #158

aww tsk, tsk... Stellar Feb 2015 #168

Well that was an informative, well thought out post. cui bono Feb 2015 #169

Indeed . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #17

yup Skittles Feb 2015 #21

And inexcusable political naivete is the most charitable explanation I can come up with. . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #30

bvar posted another explanation above. cui bono Feb 2015 #99

That is crazy. It's been obvious for a very long time that they are off the deep end. DanTex Feb 2015 #25

You are fortunate. It is not a nice experience. Only God knows what jeapordy you are in. olegramps Feb 2015 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #2

Agree completely n/t MissDeeds Feb 2015 #6

Dropped like a rock... daleanime Feb 2015 #10

change you can beLIEve in blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #13

Exactly. obxhead Feb 2015 #15

Lost Touch HA... 1norcal Feb 2015 #19

Yes, he is being diplomatic ... sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #20

I don't believe he was ever in touch Mnpaul Feb 2015 #49

This is where it really is. He shut down his own movement in favor of "inside baseball" TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #50

+10000000000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #54

yes. almost immediately after he won it became pretty obvious that his grassroots wasn't ND-Dem Feb 2015 #62

Bait & switch nt RiverLover Feb 2015 #94

That's exactly how I feel. cui bono Feb 2015 #120

Yes. 840high Feb 2015 #128

Bernie never said in the article that Obama lost touch but you know, continue to believe anything.. uponit7771 Feb 2015 #142

His actions further it more than anything we believe. n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #146

Yeap, Obama has complete 85% of his agenda the 15% that hasn't been done (not from him trying uponit7771 Feb 2015 #156

The agenda of a self-described moderate Republican. n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #161

Turned his back on bvar22 Feb 2015 #162

"Sanders said he agrees with Obama on many issues, disagrees with him on some and considers the pampango Feb 2015 #3

Oh I SO agree with this. SoapBox Feb 2015 #7

I WISH it amazed me, SoapBox, elleng Feb 2015 #12

I think they really are brainwashed Mnpaul Feb 2015 #52

Not long ago I was on a concert tour in Scandinavia... SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #47

Kicked Enthusiast Feb 2015 #4

I had hope until I heard about Rahm Emanuel being chief of staff LiberalArkie Feb 2015 #5

My denial mechanisms survived Rahm's appointment. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #37

I knew something was very wrong when he invited Rick Warren to say a prayer at his rhett o rick Feb 2015 #57

yes, that was a pretty blatant kick in the teeth. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #63

+10. Rick Warren? Unreal. Perhaps to try to difuse the Rev. Wright controversy. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #69

I think he wanted to signal the Conservatives that he wasn't really a Progressive. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #76

Exactly how I felt at the time. Bernie is being diplomatic in his comments. Nay Feb 2015 #107

If Sen Sanders becomes a Democrat, I don't expect the Third Way Party Machine rhett o rick Feb 2015 #108

Oh, I don't expect they'll help willingly. But I don't know exactly how they can REFUSE Nay Feb 2015 #127

I don't think they are obligated in any legal way. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #129

His Hug-the-Homophobes!!! campaign strategy gave me doubts, QC Feb 2015 #72

As a member of the Loyalty Test Brigade (as you label us) I was disappointed in that as well. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #81

But here is you from 2004...all Bible and gay marriage is unthinkable.... Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #170

K & R mountain grammy Feb 2015 #8

I'm more cynical than Bernie Doctor_J Feb 2015 #9

people dazzled by purty speeches are easily fooled Skittles Feb 2015 #22

"Hope & Change" was nothing more... bvar22 Feb 2015 #24

Never was a big fan of candidate Obama bigwillq Feb 2015 #46

I wasn't dialed in. Head over heels in love with him Doctor_J Feb 2015 #55

Instead of pardoning Democratic Governor Don Seigelman on day one, bvar22 Feb 2015 #134

Candidate Obama was an image 100% fabricated to win votes. Nothing more, nothing less. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #11

Read the entire article. Sanders just makes so much sense. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #14

He certainly does BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #48

Disingenuous OP title, stating the obvious and not including Obama as a "losing touch" is not uponit7771 Feb 2015 #18

Easy for certain folk to monday morning QB what the first BLACK president had to do just randys1 Feb 2015 #27

sorry, no Skittles Feb 2015 #31

YEAH, the first Black president in the face of unprecedented obstruction based solely on racism randys1 Feb 2015 #33

omg, please Skittles Feb 2015 #35

He didn't run on being a dictator!! "Obama had all the power" is such a tired winger meme uponit7771 Feb 2015 #141

OMG what's next, the magic wand meme? Skittles Feb 2015 #143

In other words, we shouldn't have elected him? eShirl Feb 2015 #65

Actually, while I of course voted for him and worked for his campaign, in retrospect it randys1 Feb 2015 #95

Perhaps we should of had Hillary with President Obama as Vice President yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #97

That strategy would not have guaranteed 16 years. There are very few guarantees totodeinhere Feb 2015 #103

You do have a point yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #106

FUDrs would do the same to Liz if she ever went middle on any issue... uponit7771 Feb 2015 #140

Obama's movement was never a populist movement of working class voters. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #28

Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #39

young voters didn't get what they voted for. which is why a lot of them didn't vote the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #64

Hahahahaha.............. cui bono Feb 2015 #121

Bernie is wise. Autumn Feb 2015 #29

Senator Sanders is wise in his philosophies and theories, but it wouldn't wash in the "real" world BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #83

Yeah right, whatever. Have a nice day. Autumn Feb 2015 #84

I see. Not ready to face reality, eh, Autumn. Well, have a nice day, too. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #85

Here's my reality. You keep voting for moderate republicans cloaked in that magic D you get Autumn Feb 2015 #88

The reality is, Autumn, without a liberal Congress, it doesn't matter how liberal the president is. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #93

The "real" world is what you make it. cui bono Feb 2015 #122

Maybe in YOUR version of the "real world", but not in this one, cui bono. You can wish for a liberal BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #132

Wll if you can't conceive it, it certainly will never happen. cui bono Feb 2015 #137

Although I was surprised that a Black man would become president in my lifetime, I shouldn't have BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #155

Yeah, you're right about the charisma, but perhaps people are starving for someone who cui bono Feb 2015 #157

K and R bigwillq Feb 2015 #32

Jettisoned is the word I'd use FiveGoodMen Feb 2015 #34

I call bullshite on the headline.. I am part of President Obama's grassroots and he hasn't Cha Feb 2015 #36

So am I michello Feb 2015 #38

Really. What has the Obama White House asked you to do specifically? Damansarajaya Feb 2015 #102

But then ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #40

I consider the source of those who are name calling their little insults. I am in good company.. Cha Feb 2015 #42

That's not going to improve your DU favorability rating! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #44

Oh, you mean those who are so brainwashed they can't acknowledge all the Progress that has been Cha Feb 2015 #125

Yep. n/t. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #126

Well then I guess you were expecting Republican policies to be enacted by him. cui bono Feb 2015 #123

Fascinating reactions in this thread wyldwolf Feb 2015 #41

Not from me.. equal time. They can criticize all they damn please but it better be about facts. Cha Feb 2015 #43

But DUers are not allowed to criticize when it's about facts... cui bono Feb 2015 #124

Oh. You noticed that? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #45

I like Bernie but there is no way I will vote for him till he puts a D next to his name. dilby Feb 2015 #51

Good use of your vote GummyBearz Feb 2015 #58

because splitting votes will be so much better for us. dilby Feb 2015 #61

He said awhile ago if he does run JonLP24 Feb 2015 #66

Actually, this past weekend, Senator Sanders isn't all that sure he'll run as a Democrat. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #86

He hasn't decided if he is going to run JonLP24 Feb 2015 #89

Yeah, I don't trust Politico.com, either. So I looked up the video on YouTube: BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #91

"I don't want to say that. I'm in Iowa, a caucus state -- that should speak for itself" JonLP24 Feb 2015 #92

Reporter: "How, in practical terms, would a Sanders candidacy work? Would you run as a Democrat?" BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #96

The Iowa Caucus & speaks for itself comes immediately after the "I don't want to say that" JonLP24 Feb 2015 #100

(not really)? Clinton during '08 made a lot of unfair criticisms on over meaningless issues JonLP24 Feb 2015 #67

The conversation is about PRESIDENT Obama, not CANDIDATE Obama wyldwolf Feb 2015 #70

You brought up criticisms from Hillary Clinton JonLP24 Feb 2015 #71

yes I did. Funny you're the only one who is (pretending to?) missing the context. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #73

Pretending to? JonLP24 Feb 2015 #74

Yeah, after I clarified to you the context of the discussion, you're still arguing your point. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #75

I offered an explanation, a clarification JonLP24 Feb 2015 #77

An explanation of what? No explanation was needed. It really is quite simple wyldwolf Feb 2015 #78

Still pulling a Limbaugh and trying to make the word progressive a slur? LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #79

He certainly eliminates himself from the group he derisively calls "progressives". bvar22 Feb 2015 #163

An explanation to why I referenced 2008 criticisms JonLP24 Feb 2015 #80

The first step we must take to have President Bernie Sanders... 99Forever Feb 2015 #53

All mainstream candidates use populist rhetoric during campaign seasons JonLP24 Feb 2015 #68

The oligarchy had other plans. L0oniX Feb 2015 #56

It's the economy, Stupid, and we SHOULD have 99% on our side. Bonobo Feb 2015 #60

Not sure that is a fair assessment of Obama. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #82

I concur 110% with your post. That's how I see it, too, NCTraveler. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #87

If anyone read "Audacity of Hope" in which Obama talks about TBF Feb 2015 #90

EXACTLY RIGHT! Pardon my all caps, but Damansarajaya Feb 2015 #101

Yes, that's my perspective too unfortunately. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #110

Lost touch? No he actively worked to diffuse grass roots movements. Teamster Jeff Feb 2015 #104

Opportunity Lost that never really was ... Agony Feb 2015 #115

What grass roots movement is that? BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #151

His mistaken belief that he could please the "insiders" Euphoria Feb 2015 #152