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144. So the Dem Party doesn't need the Liberal vote? That is certainly the message that has been

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:07 PM

Feb 2015

sent since the Third Way gained enough power in the party.

And as a result, they have lost us the House and the Senate.

If slamming Liberals, as the Third Way very publicly did when they slammed Elizabeth Warren in the WSJ is going to be the Dem Party strategy AGAIN, they are once again going to lose.

Let us know when the Dem Party wants the Liberal vote, okay?

DU is turning into an anti-Liberal a site which is probably why so many Liberals have moved on to work on getting Progressive candidates elected locally, which they did in the mid terms AND getting progressive issues on ballots throughout the country, which they also did in the mid terms.

Meantime thanks to the policies of slamming those who helped them win the House, Senate, and the WH in 2008, they are turning our party into the minority.

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What percentage of "very liberal" voters have an unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton? [View all] DanTex Feb 2015 OP

Lozo had more style with these threads Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #1

Don't know who that is, but I'm more of a numbers and facts guy. DanTex Feb 2015 #2

Ignore Captain Obvious DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #6

Capt Obvious is referring to LoZoccolo. Someone who was banned as a troll. He's calling you a troll. KittyWampus Feb 2015 #53

Thanks. I figured that out after the next 10 posts. DanTex Feb 2015 #55

Well, I've been reluctant to get drawn into DU drama and arguments for quite a while now- KittyWampus Feb 2015 #61

LoZo is getting defamed here. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #59

LOL! He was a troll. You know why he got shit canned? Rex Feb 2015 #64

Like you I have a ton of posts. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #68

Oh I am not saying he was a freeper or anything like that. Rex Feb 2015 #72

'twas great indeed n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #137

You Better Believe It! n/t sharp_stick Feb 2015 #150

I'm in the same minority, but I don't find the need to be an insufferable jackass. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #112

It's funny that Lozo got much hate because all he did was post Gallup threads that proved beyond all Number23 Feb 2015 #163

"and if there is one thing the fringe doesn't like, it's to be reminded of its own lack of power." FSogol Mar 2015 #173

Beat me to it. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #3

LoZoccolo? Cooley Hurd Feb 2015 #4

The OP would have been a LoZo fan club member Fumesucker Feb 2015 #7

Ha! Haven't seen that name in awhile! City Lights Feb 2015 #128

LoZo was painting the Sistine Chapel of trolldom Fumesucker Feb 2015 #10

Whatever happened to him? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #13

He trolled badly. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #15

Did he get tombstoned? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #21

yikes marym625 Feb 2015 #32

Au contraire, LoZo trolled very well indeed Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22

Fuck that! He trolled BRILLIANTLY! And for quite some time. 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #159

Got a well deservd pizza for being a troll Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18

Ah, so this entire subthread is not even subtlety calling Dantex a troll. KittyWampus Feb 2015 #43

LoZo was a pragmatic moderate centrist troll Fumesucker Feb 2015 #57

The opposite to pragmatic is ideologue. And so are you now calling Dantex names KittyWampus Feb 2015 #65

I also mentioned an opposite troll who had a large following Fumesucker Feb 2015 #69

On the left? Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #161

YBBI's posts were usually framed that way, attacks on Obama from the left Fumesucker Feb 2015 #162

No Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #166

Yes, just like LoZoccolo Fumesucker Feb 2015 #167

Many similarities, apparently Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #168

I appreciate your remarkable memory and subtle wit, DU would not be the same without you Fumesucker Feb 2015 #169

BBI was the typical GOP Opposition Research type troll. FSogol Mar 2015 #174

So you are not even subtlety calling Dantex a troll. Cause you don't like the poll. KittyWampus Feb 2015 #46

I can't believe that your post hasn't been removed. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #102

What were the jury results? Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #171

I have no idea. n/t ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #172

Were you even around for LoZo? Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #154

The problem with the denizens of this board... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #5

Being out of touch with reality explains why the Naderites never actually accomplish anything. DanTex Feb 2015 #12

Yes and No DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #14

That's true. I was referring to 2000 onwards. DanTex Feb 2015 #17

You really are channeling Lozo Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #24

Ooh, a second personal attack. That 5% number must have stung! DanTex Feb 2015 #25

For someone with such a high opinion of his own intelligence Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #30

When I make a personal attack I own up to it... DanTex Feb 2015 #51

For someone who thinks they understand what a personal attack is, I'm stunned KittyWampus Feb 2015 #58

You are clearly wrong here. William769 Feb 2015 #80

In this case, I presume they polled... TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #19

Most folks don't see the world through an ideological lens. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #23

Hand to much thinking leads to more hand to mouth situations. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #27

Hey...there's an idea... ReRe Feb 2015 #103

Amen brother/sister leftynyc Feb 2015 #26

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2015 #97

Yet she lost a 30 point lead to obama is 2008!! Amazing! nt Logical Feb 2015 #8

Well, this time her lead is forty five to fifty points so she has a bigger cushion. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #11

Who is this election cycle's Obama? wyldwolf Feb 2015 #36

sooooo i am very conservative--who would have thunk dembotoz Feb 2015 #9

5 Percenter!!! WOO HOO!!!! bigwillq Feb 2015 #16

I'm a 5%er also. HappyMe Feb 2015 #37

Labels, smabels. bigwillq Feb 2015 #39

lol! HappyMe Feb 2015 #44

MMM....dinner! bigwillq Feb 2015 #47

I had the last slice of lemon pound cake and some coffee. HappyMe Feb 2015 #54

As am I. GoneOffShore Feb 2015 #100

They are so sure that Hillary is the pick that they have to post this. Right? L0oniX Feb 2015 #145

Most people that call themselves "very liberal" are ignorant sheep. n/t Dawgs Feb 2015 #20

I've found that to be the case as well, especially on DU ^^ wyldwolf Feb 2015 #28

Yes, on DU I have found that to be true. They stick to their confirmation bias, call anyone KittyWampus Feb 2015 #40

Bing-effing-O! Excellent conclusion, KW. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #107

+1 zappaman Feb 2015 #109

I must be one of the few! SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2015 #94

I usually only see attacks on liberals posted on DI. I imagine that same goes for puke sites as well L0oniX Feb 2015 #116

2.5% of voters know what "very liberal" actually means. OnyxCollie Feb 2015 #119

Yet when it is time to beat moral into liberals around here, they are horrible people Rex Feb 2015 #29

Well, the Nader debacle shows that the far left can help the Republicans in close elections. DanTex Feb 2015 #33

Wow, sorry didn't mean to make you mad. Rex Feb 2015 #35

No worries, not mad at all. Cautiously optimistic, based on current polling. This is good news. DanTex Feb 2015 #38

If only those 100k democrats had voted for their party leader and not Bush in Florida. Rex Feb 2015 #41

Hillary seems to have pretty broad appeal though. DanTex Feb 2015 #48

I've said she is a shoe in. Nobody is close to touching her polling numbers. Rex Feb 2015 #52

Shoo-in is putting it too strongly. I'm comfortable with "cautiously optimistic". DanTex Feb 2015 #62

I don't think so, looking at all the fear of HRC so far out. I've never seen such in all my years. Rex Feb 2015 #66

She does elicit strong emotional reactions from teabaggers and Naderites. That is true. DanTex Feb 2015 #71

The highly irrational people you speak of were never going to vote for her. Rex Feb 2015 #75

The GOP is scared, but it's definitely not a "shoo-in". DanTex Feb 2015 #77

I might skip out of here for the primaries. Rex Feb 2015 #83

Oh snap! winter is coming Feb 2015 #49

I hope they take responsiblity for their vote in Florida. Rex Feb 2015 #60

Shh. Don't overwhelm the narrative with facts. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #63

Trickle down knowledge. Rex Feb 2015 #67

+1 Marr Feb 2015 #135

The Far Left� is both the most irrelevant and the most powerful voting bloc you'll find.. frylock Feb 2015 #117

Well, they sure are ineffective at accomplishing anything positive. DanTex Feb 2015 #121

another excellent effort at GOTV! frylock Feb 2015 #125

Well, I wouldn't say "large groups". DanTex Feb 2015 #127

yes, yes. We're at the irrelevant stage for now.. frylock Feb 2015 #131

That all depends on what the 5%-ers decide to do. DanTex Feb 2015 #132

define "work against the Democrats".. frylock Feb 2015 #133

Well, in 2000, it meant going around and discouraging people from voting Democratic by DanTex Feb 2015 #136

you're working under the false assumption that those votes were going to Gore in the first place.. frylock Feb 2015 #138

There's a lot of blame to go around for 2000. It's not 100% Nader's fault, I agree with you there. DanTex Feb 2015 #141

Dislike having to say this to you, most likely Gore won Florida if there were a total recount :-( mrdmk Feb 2015 #164

I know that. But without Nader, there would be no recount. DanTex Feb 2015 #165

So the Dem Party doesn't need the Liberal vote? That is certainly the message that has been sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #144

Well, the overwhelming majority of liberals like Hillary Clinton. So "liberal" is the wrong DanTex Feb 2015 #146

You didn't pay close attention to the mid terms if you think that Liberals didn't 'mobilize'. They sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #148

That's because they are uninformed concerning connections mmonk Feb 2015 #31

Gee, you can't trust POLLING..... brooklynite Feb 2015 #34

So either we have an abundance of the 5% and moderates or RW disrupters Renew Deal Feb 2015 #42

Interesting. Historic NY Feb 2015 #45

Kick & highly recommended. William769 Feb 2015 #50

I'm sorry your thread ended up being about MineralMan Feb 2015 #56

Yes, it really is a shame.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #86

HRC - An Economic Royalist At Heart cantbeserious Feb 2015 #70

I've never heard of... sendero Feb 2015 #73

Public Policy Polling... DanTex Feb 2015 #74

... sendero Feb 2015 #76

LOL. Poll-trutherism at its finest. DanTex Feb 2015 #78

Cherry picking.. sendero Feb 2015 #79

No cherry picking. That OP is factually wrong. DanTex Feb 2015 #82

Actually, I've been polled by Public Policy Polling a number of times. blue neen Feb 2015 #87

You left out this quote from Wiki: blue neen Feb 2015 #90

Yes, but that one isn't here to promote truth or objectivity, I've noticed. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #111

"Before you speak, investigate." - Mao Zedong DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #81

And you've been here since 2002? sharp_stick Feb 2015 #151

I'm impressed that she is the lead Republican libodem Feb 2015 #84

Interesting poll Bradical79 Feb 2015 #85

Ok..once again.. BrainDrain Feb 2015 #88

That would be poll trutherism. DanTex Feb 2015 #89

probably not... BrainDrain Feb 2015 #140

They don't handpick the results. They conduct a poll and then publish the numbers. DanTex Feb 2015 #142

UNSKEW THAT POLL sharp_stick Feb 2015 #152

Favored! Badass Liberal Feb 2015 #91

Nonsense. This doesn't pass the smell test. I don't know what analytical or semantic manipulation GoneFishin Feb 2015 #92

Poll trutherism strikes again.... DanTex Feb 2015 #95

Do you see anyhing that disputes the result other than your opinion? regards uponit7771 Feb 2015 #98

And this is based on what analytic study you have conducted? Please share with us, nt Fla Dem Feb 2015 #106

"5% of very liberal voters disapprove of right-leaning corporatist candidate". Like I said, GoneFishin Feb 2015 #156

Oh my. blue neen Feb 2015 #93

Amen! Badass Liberal Feb 2015 #99

Exactly. blue neen Feb 2015 #143

Boom goes the dynamite !!! uponit7771 Feb 2015 #96

Strip out the tedious DU navel-gazing and this raises interesting questions whatthehey Feb 2015 #101

I can see that JohnnyRingo Feb 2015 #104

good god the daily worship of hilliary is nauseating RedstDem Feb 2015 #105

No more than anti-Clinton people act like Teabaggers. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #108

Nothing worse than facts and poll numbers... DanTex Feb 2015 #113

Blinded them with science DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #126

I'm part of the 5%. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #110

That can't be right. A poster just told us that 47% of the base finds Hillary unfavourable... SidDithers Feb 2015 #114

What a load of shit. L0oniX Feb 2015 #115

What percentage of senators voted against the IWR and Bush's war? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #118

They obviously don't spend time on DU. They don't even know what a true liberal is. n/t Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2015 #120

Key word: Voters. jeff47 Feb 2015 #122

again, fantastic news! I can go back to voting my conscience.. frylock Feb 2015 #123

You'd think that instead of creating a personality cult.. raindaddy Feb 2015 #124

+1 mmonk Feb 2015 #130

The problem with this poll is that it is not a scientific poll of DU members. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #129

It appears that the "somewhat conservative" and "very conservative" people are anti-Hillary Clinton. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #134

They must have gone to Teabag City for this poll. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2015 #139

You are supporting Hillary with a textbook logical fallacy LittleBlue Feb 2015 #147

I'm not supporting anyone based on anything. Just pointing out that the overwhelming majority of DanTex Feb 2015 #149

Respectfully, "overwhelming" nothing. That poll only included 310 democrats. Even fewer "liberals" NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #155

It has a margin of error of 5.6% among Dems. Which means, yes, overwhelming. DanTex Feb 2015 #157

She's not my first choice but Drale Feb 2015 #153

All this tells me is: Maedhros Feb 2015 #158

I'm gonna laugh when she loses RedstDem Feb 2015 #160

Doesn't matter. What matters is policy, not popularity. Scuba Feb 2015 #170