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sabrina 1

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156. What actually matters most is, that the Dem leadership listen to the voters. They failed
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:31 PM
Feb 2015

to do so in the mid terms.

The base won everything for them in 2008.

Since then they have destroyed all that work and lost us the Senate and the House by stubbornly refusing to listen to what the voters have been telling them.

Polls don't tell us anything much at this point, but ELECTIONS do.

Eg in the last mid terms, progressives mobilized to support Progressive candidates, incumbents and a few new candidates. They WON those seats.

Had it not been for those Dems working so hard to hold on to those seats, the losses would have been even greater.

What they did not do was to work for Third Way candidates, the ones the Leadership were supporting.

Either the party stops moving to the right each time they lose an election, or it's going to keep happening.

Blaming the voters doesn't win elections. LISTENING to them does.

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I thought it was only 5% Paulie Feb 2015 #1
Take all of these numbers with a grain of salt. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #9
If you read the link former9thward Feb 2015 #128
"democratic primary voters" is from page 27 onwards - 76% favourable, 15% unfavourable muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #139
This is a red flag, fo sho, tho Hillary fans will dismiss it at their own peril. We can do alot better. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #145
What's the red flag exactly? Agschmid Feb 2015 #150
I don't view her one way or the other. hollowdweller Feb 2015 #134
What actually matters most is, that the Dem leadership listen to the voters. They failed sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #156
That's the thing about "statistics" they are VERY flexible! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #10
It is only 5%. "Base" means the base percentage over the whole population, before it is broken DanTex Feb 2015 #31
47% of respondents find Hillary UNFAVORABLE Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #40
Hello? titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #68
But 91% of "Very Liberal" primary voters had "very favorable" views. pnwmom Feb 2015 #124
How many people is that EXACTLY? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #157
Have you heard the term sample size? Agschmid Feb 2015 #164
Are you now arguing against the methodology of the poll that you put up?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #166
NOPE, just underscoring what it ACTUALLY says Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #175
Again... Please tell me what it actually says? Agschmid Feb 2015 #180
It basically says that Republicans hate her. So what else is new? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #190
The fact that there was a steady decrease in popularity with voters who were less and less liberal pnwmom Feb 2015 #172
How many people does it represent, NUMBERS not percent? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #179
It's not... Agschmid Feb 2015 #182
You don't understand statistical significance. There was a margin of error of 5.6% so that means pnwmom Feb 2015 #188
LOL... SidDithers Feb 2015 #191
You ALMOST get it Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #252
The rec list for this Hall of Fail contender is the funniest of all Number23 Feb 2015 #255
But yet somehow so very predictable.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #259
Including Rethugs, so what did you expect? Which candidate did better than Hillary? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #189
That's just a bogus liberal hater figure. L0oniX Feb 2015 #143
But you see, 45% + 5% = 50%... Helen Borg Feb 2015 #158
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Feb 2015 #2
That number is closer to my experience when asking. Octafish Feb 2015 #3
No surprise there. Real Democrats don't like corpo-war hawks. Scuba Feb 2015 #4
Surprise Renew Deal Feb 2015 #6
Why don't you run the numbers for us? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #16
Who said the poll showed Hillary is inevitable? brooklynite Feb 2015 #44
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #51
ONLY 5% of VERY LIBERAL people find Hillary unfavorable! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #52
It certainly proves DU is not a good representation of the party "base"... Agschmid Feb 2015 #54
Or... that polls are a crap shoot? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #65
This poll is pretty positive for Hillary supporters... Agschmid Feb 2015 #69
When you point a finger at someone you have four fingers pointing back at yourself, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #72
Which table are you citing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #160
You are the one that cited the poll so it's a little late to question the quality of the sample. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #170
It shows that hillary is mostly opposed by moderates and republicans. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #105
Your post doesn't make sense Renew Deal Feb 2015 #104
Did you actually read the poll! 47% includes Republicans leftofcool Feb 2015 #13
Where is the break out by PARTY AFFILIATION? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #20
Haven't read the break out by Party Affiliation, but there are definitely Republicans BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #92
No - and that goes to the difficulty in really understanding or comparing these numbers karynnj Feb 2015 #136
Exactly. And the polarization is being perpetuated by Republicans (neo-confederates) in order to BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #146
p.27 & 28 for Dem primary voters: Hillary 76% favourable, 15% unfavourable muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #142
Thanks! Agschmid Feb 2015 #144
NAME RECOGNITION Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #198
NO I DO NOT RECOGNISE YOURS muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #201
Misbegotten! Oh my! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #209
Are you now saying that you are capable, after all, of reading a poll? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #227
Maliciously disrupting IMO. Agschmid Feb 2015 #229
At this point in the thread I crack up in LOLs. Someone needs to hack up a furball... Hekate Feb 2015 #231
Hillary and Biden have had nationwide name recognition since the '80s/early '90s Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #283
I'm sure Warren's favourable number would go up muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #290
Well, almost nobody's running at this point Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #293
Future tense for Warren, too muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #294
You should read a little better. William769 Feb 2015 #15
Show the CORRECT numbers... Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #21
Sorry not my job to help with your math skills. William769 Feb 2015 #25
BECAUSE without CHERRY PICKING, Hillary looks BAD Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #43
One of the best posts ever. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #117
Do you get it yet? The numbers you're citing include Republicans. Of course they don't like her. pnwmom Feb 2015 #194
You did vote for The Obama-Biden ticket didnt you? yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #116
The poll included Republicans, and they were the ones who overwhelmingly don't like Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #193
You misread it. That number includes republicans. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #5
Wasn't misread. Tried to be used as misleading. William769 Feb 2015 #12
try replying with emphasis in caps GusBob Feb 2015 #32
;~/ Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #46
Forget it, she's rolling BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #19
What page and what breakout are you citing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #24
Page 14, same as you. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #88
Thank you. Beacool Feb 2015 #236
Oh my God!! Number23 Feb 2015 #249
Don't confuse the haters with facts nt One of the 99 Feb 2015 #99
I originally thought this was an issue of ignorance Renew Deal Feb 2015 #107
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #113
"When in fact it's malice." NCTraveler Feb 2015 #114
Unrec for cherry picking of stats. The important # here is that she leads the most GOP by 10 points. FSogol Feb 2015 #7
NOPE. cherry picking is citing a poll of 691 people with 301 Democrats Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #26
You brought the poll up as something important, not me. FSogol Feb 2015 #27
Yet here you are? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #48
... Again. Agschmid Feb 2015 #57
WRONG TABLE! That table is IDEOLOGY I'm citing PARTY Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #61
Okay here it is... Agschmid Feb 2015 #67
So 47% of the sample see Hillary as UNFAVORABLE! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #75
The "sample" is everyone who was polled. Agschmid Feb 2015 #79
47% of who? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #94
So you want Republicans to decide who runs in our primary. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #109
Not really skewed R. progressoid Feb 2015 #101
Your correct sorry, I deleted that part of my post. Agschmid Feb 2015 #102
It's more complicated than that. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #273
Read again.... whatthehey Feb 2015 #8
What are you disagreeing with? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #50
Uh no! 47% includes Republicans. Try again! leftofcool Feb 2015 #11
Show us the NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #30
There are a lot of people who vote for the least unfavorable. postulater Feb 2015 #14
Accidental mistake analyzing poll results or something else? pampango Feb 2015 #17
Since that poll includes Republicans, that's not what it says at all. MineralMan Feb 2015 #18
OH, son ONLY Democrats will vote in 2016??? who knew! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #34
I'm not your son, and your use of the word "base" MineralMan Feb 2015 #42
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #71
I'm not talking about either. I'm talking about your language MineralMan Feb 2015 #76
The poster is acting as a malicious disruptor currently. Agschmid Feb 2015 #83
I don't like to characterize posters. MineralMan Feb 2015 #98
MIRT! MIRT! Where art thou? BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #103
79% of Democrats... Agschmid Feb 2015 #81
As others have pointed out, this is a cross-section of all Iowa voters, not "the base" OKNancy Feb 2015 #22
NO, the TABLE CITED CLEARLY says BASE Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #35
Were you mistaken sharp_stick Feb 2015 #23
This is a teaching opportunity! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #36
It would be useful sharp_stick Feb 2015 #125
And the OP cleary does not. Agschmid Feb 2015 #130
Sorry, thats very inappropriate Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #168
Unfortunately you aren't willing to discuss. Agschmid Feb 2015 #171
Actually she has the best favorable/unfavorables of all the candidates in that poll except .... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #214
This is IOWA you're talking about? aquart Feb 2015 #276
All this is "teaching" us.. is that you like to ignore the facts and use the :rofl: to show you Cha Feb 2015 #269
You won't get a reply... Agschmid Feb 2015 #270
It wasn't a question.. Cha Feb 2015 #272
Yup that's accurate! Agschmid Feb 2015 #274
This is in the primary. This does not alarm me since there are at least two other candidates that jwirr Feb 2015 #28
I'm seriously hoping this is a joke. "Base" refers to the base percentage over the whole population DanTex Feb 2015 #29
SO 47% don't have an unfavorable opinion of Hillary? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #37
47% of the whole electorate, yes. Not the base of the party. DanTex Feb 2015 #39
AND 18% of "somewhat liberal" voters. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #55
That's not how you would do that math... Agschmid Feb 2015 #60
Please tell me that you are not serious. DanTex Feb 2015 #64
Wow, what a fuckin FAIL. giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #33
Great retort Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #38
It would have been better to admit your error whatthehey Feb 2015 #47
lol, I know, right? Wordsmiths. DU is Wordsmith University. closeupready Feb 2015 #53
Well you're the one that completely distorted the facts to your liking... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #93
POTW DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #80
Just like the other thread.. sendero Feb 2015 #41
She needs to get in the race and state her platform. ALBliberal Feb 2015 #45
The word base doesn't represent the "democratic base" just FYI... Agschmid Feb 2015 #49
I keep getting told we can't win by appealing to the middle, so we should appeal to the liberal left brooklynite Feb 2015 #56
WRONG TABLE! Page 14 by PARTY, NOT ideology! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #59
This table is more telling IMO. Agschmid Feb 2015 #62
You're reading it wrong sharp_stick Feb 2015 #73
I guess it does include Republicans. HappyMe Feb 2015 #58
You are correct. And so it isn't surprising at all that 47% have a negative opinion. nt pnwmom Feb 2015 #195
I'm getting pretty sick of the 'polls say..' posts. HappyMe Feb 2015 #205
Again very few people are telling others to shut up, sure there are a few... Agschmid Feb 2015 #212
I couldn't say really how many it actually is. HappyMe Feb 2015 #215
Who needs Comedy Central? William769 Feb 2015 #63
MORE caps PLEASE! Agschmid Feb 2015 #70
I'm the subtle type. William769 Feb 2015 #77
If the OP isn't joking... wyldwolf Feb 2015 #74
... William769 Feb 2015 #78
More like Louie Gohmert. Don't disparage their asparagus. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #154
This has to be a tribute to the departed Leslie Nielsen. herding cats Feb 2015 #221
i was having a bad day and this thread has helped a lot JI7 Feb 2015 #254
+ a million. And the rec list takes it firmly over into Classic Fail territory Number23 Feb 2015 #256
You are just making stuff up: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #66
Wow!!!!! Negative 79% favorability among Democrats! EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!!! DanTex Feb 2015 #82
... SidDithers Feb 2015 #84
You owe me a new keyboard! William769 Feb 2015 #85
Heheh... SidDithers Feb 2015 #86
Nice gif, did you make that? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #200
This board is past the point of being a parody of itself and is now on the precipice ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #87
Yep, you said it. Beacool Feb 2015 #238
It should get more recs Renew Deal Feb 2015 #96
Poll was commissioned by geek tragedy Feb 2015 #120
Bwahahahaha!!! JoePhilly Feb 2015 #153
+1000 Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #280
You should delete the OP or change it. Your OP is misleading because you misinterpreted "Base." Hoyt Feb 2015 #89
691 people polled abelenkpe Feb 2015 #90
Most reputable polls call cell phone users. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #108
Yeah, it's the no cell phone abelenkpe Feb 2015 #140
This is trolling, you know damn well its not the DEMOCRATIC base... uponit7771 Feb 2015 #91
Damn right. giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #115
The intentional misrepresentation of this poll is more evidence of what I pointed to in my OP stevenleser Feb 2015 #95
Yup. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Feb 2015 #97
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #111
Obama supporters hated Hillary AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #232
Who were you during the 2008 primaries?...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #235
Wow! AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #239
Just curious, is all... SidDithers Feb 2015 #242
So you are trying to deflect AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #244
Nevermind. I'll figure it out myself...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #245
Given our short conversation AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #246
Really good numbers. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #100
UNREC*. Your OP should be deleted. It's skewed in wording which skews your opinion. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #106
Not sure where I fit in but I see her as unfavorable. Autumn Feb 2015 #110
I'm with you. I think the democratic party could find a politician with B Calm Feb 2015 #118
Putting aside your comment. William769 Feb 2015 #119
I really don't care about the poll numbers. This far out I think they are meaningless. Autumn Feb 2015 #121
I thank you for that answer. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #257
When we lie about those we don't like it makes us worse than our opponents./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #132
You better believe it! zappaman Feb 2015 #112
Recommending. This shit needs to go to the greatest page. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #122
CDS? Agschmid Feb 2015 #123
Clinton Derangement Syndrome./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #127
Got it. Agschmid Feb 2015 #129
I'm sorry your thread ended up being about something other than the numbers from the poll. Rex Feb 2015 #126
These are the numbers from the poll that the original poster intentionally misinterpreted* DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #151
This is the greatest thread since the moon bombing Godhumor Feb 2015 #131
This thread may earn a spot in the DU Hall of Epic Fail. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #133
Seriously? Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #135
You misinterpreted the poll. Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #137
I think the OP is committed to that misinterpretation frazzled Feb 2015 #138
BOOM DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #141
K & R ...for pissing off ...someone L0oniX Feb 2015 #147
If we lie about people we don't like what does that make us? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #149
That is about the percent that doesn't vote. upaloopa Feb 2015 #148
Misleading OP Android3.14 Feb 2015 #152
How is it "misleading"? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #155
Very few people on DU actually are insisting she run... Agschmid Feb 2015 #159
Actually, Populist values poll highest generally. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #161
Ok... Agschmid Feb 2015 #165
The "BASE" is all voters. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #162
"BASE" as used in that chart refers to EVERYONE, not the base of the Democratic party. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #167
Isn't the "BASE" all voters? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #174
"Base" normally refers to the most loyal party voters. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #177
Again... Agschmid Feb 2015 #186
No, it isn't. Beacool Feb 2015 #243
What do you think "base" means in this context? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #199
Doesn't matter what I think... Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #204
Actually Android3.14 Feb 2015 #222
Well dont. Nailed it. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #224
BOOM/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #226
Nicely done. Agschmid Feb 2015 #230
Well that settles that! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #284
Base in this poll is not Democratic Party Base. It is the raw data from those polled. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #163
OK, where is it suggested otherwise? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #169
Right flipping here DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #176
So is your complaint about parsing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #187
Is this the Bill Clinton "meaning of is" debate. It was actually charming from the ole rascal. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #192
No, about extreme distortion. A poll that includes both parties OF COURSE will have pnwmom Feb 2015 #197
Lying is more accurate Renew Deal Feb 2015 #237
"Clinton also remains dominant in the Democratic Primary field. 54% of the party's voers want her" Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #202
It was a terrible poll, automatic and only a few hundred respondents. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #173
You forgot the sarcasm tag. taught_me_patience Feb 2015 #178
mehbee ;~/ Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #183
Well, if your inference was that only 45% of those Democrats polled ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #210
When did American high schools stop teaching basic math terms? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #181
Anything to add or just snark? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #184
They did add something. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #206
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #213
Some things I just don't get. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #218
I there with you, you won't see me in one of those threads... I know better. Agschmid Feb 2015 #219
When you have an OP as broken as this one...one as poorly resourced msanthrope Feb 2015 #247
What base, the GOP base, if 47% of the GOP base then this should scare the hell out of the GOP. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #185
I know, right? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #196
We've tried... Agschmid Feb 2015 #207
That number keeps growing. 99Forever Feb 2015 #203
It's actually only 13% of Democrats who view her unfavorably, in this poll. Agschmid Feb 2015 #208
Don't confuse the poor fella with facts: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #211
Revamping Hillary's "Brand" is Not Enough daredtowork Feb 2015 #216
Well, in this case, it apparently is, because the OP is flat-out wrong about the poll numbers. DanTex Feb 2015 #217
Which base? First base? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #220
This should settle this silliness Android3.14 Feb 2015 #223
This comment of yours should have received more attention. Nothing like hearing it from the horses stevenleser Feb 2015 #281
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #282
Thanks Android3.14 Feb 2015 #291
Base = 691 registered voters BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #225
Like....+1 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #241
My goodness, get a grip on yourself. It's a wide-open primary with lots of choices coming up... Hekate Feb 2015 #228
Whose bright idea was it to make Cosmic Kitten a host of Populist Reform of the Democratic Party? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #233
"Screwn" indeed!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #285
That's not accurate, it was asked of all respondents. Beacool Feb 2015 #234
Im alarmed how you've totally confused the facts.. DCBob Feb 2015 #240
As a Daikykos pollster... 34th Avenue Feb 2015 #248
Thank you for so thoroughly validating stevenleser and LynneSinn Number23 Feb 2015 #250
HAHAHHHAHHAHAHHAH JI7 Feb 2015 #251
I'd vote for her Aerows Feb 2015 #253
you should apply for a job with cnn JI7 Feb 2015 #258
This is basic chart reading at this point.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #260
She's lock out of her own thread, gg. So no reply will be forthcoming. Number23 Feb 2015 #261
Ha figures, my first post in this OP blatantly called it giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #262
What post got the hide? Agschmid Feb 2015 #263
I don't think when you get a hide you're locked out of the entire thread./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #264
You are. Agschmid Feb 2015 #265
Yes, you are. n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #266
Interesting. In that case DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #267
Remember he dies in the end... Agschmid Feb 2015 #268
Hillary concurs Number23 Feb 2015 #275
You are. Cha Feb 2015 #271
she is posting similar things in another thread and refuses to acknowledge JI7 Feb 2015 #279
Oy. Then I guess the cosmic furball didn't make it all the way up yet. Hekate Feb 2015 #295
This...would not surprise me at all. SoapBox Feb 2015 #277
I've seen some stupid and-or dishonest posts at DU, but this one takes the cake. onenote Feb 2015 #278
I don't know which is more embarrassing: Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #286
I'm gonna say it's "the recs" as the OP truly seems incapable of being embarrassed. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #288
It's sad when Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #289
Seriously? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #287
Kick. For shits and giggles...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #292
Water is wet. Aerows Feb 2015 #296
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