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Agschmid

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171. Unfortunately you aren't willing to discuss.

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:49 PM

Feb 2015

Your posts consists mostly of this emoji...

Quality discussion at its best eh?

Also as its been pointed out repeatedly by several posters your numbers just don't add up.

And no I'm not just one of those "mindless Hillary supporters", but I'm not going to just sit here and "discuss" outright lies and misrepresentations of data.

If you think my comment is bad, alert. That's what it is there for.

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47% of BASE see Hillary as UNFAVORABLE! [View all] Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 OP

I thought it was only 5% Paulie Feb 2015 #1

Take all of these numbers with a grain of salt. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #9

If you read the link former9thward Feb 2015 #128

"democratic primary voters" is from page 27 onwards - 76% favourable, 15% unfavourable muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #139

This is a red flag, fo sho, tho Hillary fans will dismiss it at their own peril. We can do alot better. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #145

What's the red flag exactly? Agschmid Feb 2015 #150

I don't view her one way or the other. hollowdweller Feb 2015 #134

What actually matters most is, that the Dem leadership listen to the voters. They failed sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #156

That's the thing about "statistics" they are VERY flexible! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #10

It is only 5%. "Base" means the base percentage over the whole population, before it is broken DanTex Feb 2015 #31

47% of respondents find Hillary UNFAVORABLE Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #40

Hello? titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #68

But 91% of "Very Liberal" primary voters had "very favorable" views. pnwmom Feb 2015 #124

How many people is that EXACTLY? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #157

Have you heard the term sample size? Agschmid Feb 2015 #164

Are you now arguing against the methodology of the poll that you put up?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #166

NOPE, just underscoring what it ACTUALLY says Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #175

Again... Please tell me what it actually says? Agschmid Feb 2015 #180

It basically says that Republicans hate her. So what else is new? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #190

The fact that there was a steady decrease in popularity with voters who were less and less liberal pnwmom Feb 2015 #172

How many people does it represent, NUMBERS not percent? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #179

It's not... Agschmid Feb 2015 #182

You don't understand statistical significance. There was a margin of error of 5.6% so that means pnwmom Feb 2015 #188

LOL... SidDithers Feb 2015 #191

You ALMOST get it Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #252

The rec list for this Hall of Fail contender is the funniest of all Number23 Feb 2015 #255

But yet somehow so very predictable.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #259

Including Rethugs, so what did you expect? Which candidate did better than Hillary? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #189

That's just a bogus liberal hater figure. L0oniX Feb 2015 #143

But you see, 45% + 5% = 50%... Helen Borg Feb 2015 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Feb 2015 #2

That number is closer to my experience when asking. Octafish Feb 2015 #3

No surprise there. Real Democrats don't like corpo-war hawks. Scuba Feb 2015 #4

Surprise Renew Deal Feb 2015 #6

Why don't you run the numbers for us? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #16

Who said the poll showed Hillary is inevitable? brooklynite Feb 2015 #44

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #51

ONLY 5% of VERY LIBERAL people find Hillary unfavorable! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #52

It certainly proves DU is not a good representation of the party "base"... Agschmid Feb 2015 #54

Or... that polls are a crap shoot? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #65

This poll is pretty positive for Hillary supporters... Agschmid Feb 2015 #69

When you point a finger at someone you have four fingers pointing back at yourself, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #72

Which table are you citing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #160

You are the one that cited the poll so it's a little late to question the quality of the sample. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #170

It shows that hillary is mostly opposed by moderates and republicans. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #105

Your post doesn't make sense Renew Deal Feb 2015 #104

Did you actually read the poll! 47% includes Republicans leftofcool Feb 2015 #13

Where is the break out by PARTY AFFILIATION? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #20

Haven't read the break out by Party Affiliation, but there are definitely Republicans BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #92

No - and that goes to the difficulty in really understanding or comparing these numbers karynnj Feb 2015 #136

Exactly. And the polarization is being perpetuated by Republicans (neo-confederates) in order to BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #146

p.27 & 28 for Dem primary voters: Hillary 76% favourable, 15% unfavourable muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #142

Thanks! Agschmid Feb 2015 #144

NAME RECOGNITION Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #198

NO I DO NOT RECOGNISE YOURS muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #201

Misbegotten! Oh my! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #209

Are you now saying that you are capable, after all, of reading a poll? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #227

Maliciously disrupting IMO. Agschmid Feb 2015 #229

At this point in the thread I crack up in LOLs. Someone needs to hack up a furball... Hekate Feb 2015 #231

Hillary and Biden have had nationwide name recognition since the '80s/early '90s Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #283

I'm sure Warren's favourable number would go up muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #290

Well, almost nobody's running at this point Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #293

Future tense for Warren, too muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #294

You should read a little better. William769 Feb 2015 #15

Show the CORRECT numbers... Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #21

Sorry not my job to help with your math skills. William769 Feb 2015 #25

BECAUSE without CHERRY PICKING, Hillary looks BAD Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #43

One of the best posts ever. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #117

Do you get it yet? The numbers you're citing include Republicans. Of course they don't like her. pnwmom Feb 2015 #194

You did vote for The Obama-Biden ticket didnt you? yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #116

The poll included Republicans, and they were the ones who overwhelmingly don't like Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #193

You misread it. That number includes republicans. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #5

Wasn't misread. Tried to be used as misleading. William769 Feb 2015 #12

try replying with emphasis in caps GusBob Feb 2015 #32

;~/ Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #46

Forget it, she's rolling BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #19

What page and what breakout are you citing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #24

Page 14, same as you. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #88

Thank you. Beacool Feb 2015 #236

Oh my God!! Number23 Feb 2015 #249

Don't confuse the haters with facts nt One of the 99 Feb 2015 #99

I originally thought this was an issue of ignorance Renew Deal Feb 2015 #107

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #113

"When in fact it's malice." NCTraveler Feb 2015 #114

Unrec for cherry picking of stats. The important # here is that she leads the most GOP by 10 points. FSogol Feb 2015 #7

NOPE. cherry picking is citing a poll of 691 people with 301 Democrats Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #26

You brought the poll up as something important, not me. FSogol Feb 2015 #27

Yet here you are? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #48

... Again. Agschmid Feb 2015 #57

WRONG TABLE! That table is IDEOLOGY I'm citing PARTY Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #61

Okay here it is... Agschmid Feb 2015 #67

So 47% of the sample see Hillary as UNFAVORABLE! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #75

The "sample" is everyone who was polled. Agschmid Feb 2015 #79

47% of who? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #94

So you want Republicans to decide who runs in our primary. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #109

Not really skewed R. progressoid Feb 2015 #101

Your correct sorry, I deleted that part of my post. Agschmid Feb 2015 #102

It's more complicated than that. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #273

Read again.... whatthehey Feb 2015 #8

What are you disagreeing with? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #50

Uh no! 47% includes Republicans. Try again! leftofcool Feb 2015 #11

Show us the NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #30

There are a lot of people who vote for the least unfavorable. postulater Feb 2015 #14

Accidental mistake analyzing poll results or something else? pampango Feb 2015 #17

Since that poll includes Republicans, that's not what it says at all. MineralMan Feb 2015 #18

OH, son ONLY Democrats will vote in 2016??? who knew! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #34

I'm not your son, and your use of the word "base" MineralMan Feb 2015 #42

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #71

I'm not talking about either. I'm talking about your language MineralMan Feb 2015 #76

The poster is acting as a malicious disruptor currently. Agschmid Feb 2015 #83

I don't like to characterize posters. MineralMan Feb 2015 #98

MIRT! MIRT! Where art thou? BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #103

79% of Democrats... Agschmid Feb 2015 #81

As others have pointed out, this is a cross-section of all Iowa voters, not "the base" OKNancy Feb 2015 #22

NO, the TABLE CITED CLEARLY says BASE Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #35

Were you mistaken sharp_stick Feb 2015 #23

This is a teaching opportunity! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #36

It would be useful sharp_stick Feb 2015 #125

And the OP cleary does not. Agschmid Feb 2015 #130

Sorry, thats very inappropriate Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #168

Unfortunately you aren't willing to discuss. Agschmid Feb 2015 #171

Actually she has the best favorable/unfavorables of all the candidates in that poll except .... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #214

This is IOWA you're talking about? aquart Feb 2015 #276

All this is "teaching" us.. is that you like to ignore the facts and use the :rofl: to show you Cha Feb 2015 #269

You won't get a reply... Agschmid Feb 2015 #270

It wasn't a question.. Cha Feb 2015 #272

Yup that's accurate! Agschmid Feb 2015 #274

This is in the primary. This does not alarm me since there are at least two other candidates that jwirr Feb 2015 #28

I'm seriously hoping this is a joke. "Base" refers to the base percentage over the whole population DanTex Feb 2015 #29

SO 47% don't have an unfavorable opinion of Hillary? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #37

47% of the whole electorate, yes. Not the base of the party. DanTex Feb 2015 #39

AND 18% of "somewhat liberal" voters. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #55

That's not how you would do that math... Agschmid Feb 2015 #60

Please tell me that you are not serious. DanTex Feb 2015 #64

Wow, what a fuckin FAIL. giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #33

Great retort Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #38

It would have been better to admit your error whatthehey Feb 2015 #47

lol, I know, right? Wordsmiths. DU is Wordsmith University. closeupready Feb 2015 #53

Well you're the one that completely distorted the facts to your liking... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #93

POTW DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #80

Just like the other thread.. sendero Feb 2015 #41

She needs to get in the race and state her platform. ALBliberal Feb 2015 #45

The word base doesn't represent the "democratic base" just FYI... Agschmid Feb 2015 #49

I keep getting told we can't win by appealing to the middle, so we should appeal to the liberal left brooklynite Feb 2015 #56

WRONG TABLE! Page 14 by PARTY, NOT ideology! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #59

This table is more telling IMO. Agschmid Feb 2015 #62

You're reading it wrong sharp_stick Feb 2015 #73

I guess it does include Republicans. HappyMe Feb 2015 #58

You are correct. And so it isn't surprising at all that 47% have a negative opinion. nt pnwmom Feb 2015 #195

I'm getting pretty sick of the 'polls say..' posts. HappyMe Feb 2015 #205

Again very few people are telling others to shut up, sure there are a few... Agschmid Feb 2015 #212

I couldn't say really how many it actually is. HappyMe Feb 2015 #215

Who needs Comedy Central? William769 Feb 2015 #63

MORE caps PLEASE! Agschmid Feb 2015 #70

I'm the subtle type. William769 Feb 2015 #77

If the OP isn't joking... wyldwolf Feb 2015 #74

... William769 Feb 2015 #78

More like Louie Gohmert. Don't disparage their asparagus. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #154

This has to be a tribute to the departed Leslie Nielsen. herding cats Feb 2015 #221

i was having a bad day and this thread has helped a lot JI7 Feb 2015 #254

+ a million. And the rec list takes it firmly over into Classic Fail territory Number23 Feb 2015 #256

You are just making stuff up: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #66

Wow!!!!! Negative 79% favorability among Democrats! EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!!! DanTex Feb 2015 #82

... SidDithers Feb 2015 #84

You owe me a new keyboard! William769 Feb 2015 #85

Heheh... SidDithers Feb 2015 #86

Nice gif, did you make that? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #200

This board is past the point of being a parody of itself and is now on the precipice ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #87

Yep, you said it. Beacool Feb 2015 #238

It should get more recs Renew Deal Feb 2015 #96

Poll was commissioned by geek tragedy Feb 2015 #120

Bwahahahaha!!! JoePhilly Feb 2015 #153

+1000 Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #280

You should delete the OP or change it. Your OP is misleading because you misinterpreted "Base." Hoyt Feb 2015 #89

691 people polled abelenkpe Feb 2015 #90

Most reputable polls call cell phone users. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #108

Yeah, it's the no cell phone abelenkpe Feb 2015 #140

This is trolling, you know damn well its not the DEMOCRATIC base... uponit7771 Feb 2015 #91

Damn right. giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #115

The intentional misrepresentation of this poll is more evidence of what I pointed to in my OP stevenleser Feb 2015 #95

Yup. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Feb 2015 #97

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #111

Obama supporters hated Hillary AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #232

Who were you during the 2008 primaries?...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #235

Wow! AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #239

Just curious, is all... SidDithers Feb 2015 #242

So you are trying to deflect AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #244

Nevermind. I'll figure it out myself...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #245

Given our short conversation AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #246

Really good numbers. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #100

UNREC*. Your OP should be deleted. It's skewed in wording which skews your opinion. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #106

Not sure where I fit in but I see her as unfavorable. Autumn Feb 2015 #110

I'm with you. I think the democratic party could find a politician with B Calm Feb 2015 #118

Putting aside your comment. William769 Feb 2015 #119

I really don't care about the poll numbers. This far out I think they are meaningless. Autumn Feb 2015 #121

I thank you for that answer. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #257

When we lie about those we don't like it makes us worse than our opponents./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #132

You better believe it! zappaman Feb 2015 #112

Recommending. This shit needs to go to the greatest page. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #122

CDS? Agschmid Feb 2015 #123

Clinton Derangement Syndrome./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #127

Got it. Agschmid Feb 2015 #129

I'm sorry your thread ended up being about something other than the numbers from the poll. Rex Feb 2015 #126

These are the numbers from the poll that the original poster intentionally misinterpreted* DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #151

This is the greatest thread since the moon bombing Godhumor Feb 2015 #131

This thread may earn a spot in the DU Hall of Epic Fail. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #133

Seriously? Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #135

You misinterpreted the poll. Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #137

I think the OP is committed to that misinterpretation frazzled Feb 2015 #138

BOOM DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #141

K & R ...for pissing off ...someone L0oniX Feb 2015 #147

If we lie about people we don't like what does that make us? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #149

That is about the percent that doesn't vote. upaloopa Feb 2015 #148

Misleading OP Android3.14 Feb 2015 #152

How is it "misleading"? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #155

Very few people on DU actually are insisting she run... Agschmid Feb 2015 #159

Actually, Populist values poll highest generally. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #161

Ok... Agschmid Feb 2015 #165

The "BASE" is all voters. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #162

"BASE" as used in that chart refers to EVERYONE, not the base of the Democratic party. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #167

Isn't the "BASE" all voters? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #174

"Base" normally refers to the most loyal party voters. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #177

Again... Agschmid Feb 2015 #186

No, it isn't. Beacool Feb 2015 #243

What do you think "base" means in this context? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #199

Doesn't matter what I think... Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #204

Actually Android3.14 Feb 2015 #222

Well dont. Nailed it. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #224

BOOM/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #226

Nicely done. Agschmid Feb 2015 #230

Well that settles that! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #284

Base in this poll is not Democratic Party Base. It is the raw data from those polled. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #163

OK, where is it suggested otherwise? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #169

Right flipping here DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #176

So is your complaint about parsing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #187

Is this the Bill Clinton "meaning of is" debate. It was actually charming from the ole rascal. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #192

No, about extreme distortion. A poll that includes both parties OF COURSE will have pnwmom Feb 2015 #197

Lying is more accurate Renew Deal Feb 2015 #237

"Clinton also remains dominant in the Democratic Primary field. 54% of the party's voers want her" Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #202

It was a terrible poll, automatic and only a few hundred respondents. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #173

You forgot the sarcasm tag. taught_me_patience Feb 2015 #178

mehbee ;~/ Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #183

Well, if your inference was that only 45% of those Democrats polled ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #210

When did American high schools stop teaching basic math terms? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #181

Anything to add or just snark? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #184

They did add something. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #206

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #213

Some things I just don't get. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #218

I there with you, you won't see me in one of those threads... I know better. Agschmid Feb 2015 #219

When you have an OP as broken as this one...one as poorly resourced msanthrope Feb 2015 #247

What base, the GOP base, if 47% of the GOP base then this should scare the hell out of the GOP. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #185

I know, right? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #196

We've tried... Agschmid Feb 2015 #207

That number keeps growing. 99Forever Feb 2015 #203

It's actually only 13% of Democrats who view her unfavorably, in this poll. Agschmid Feb 2015 #208

Don't confuse the poor fella with facts: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #211

Revamping Hillary's "Brand" is Not Enough daredtowork Feb 2015 #216

Well, in this case, it apparently is, because the OP is flat-out wrong about the poll numbers. DanTex Feb 2015 #217

Which base? First base? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #220

This should settle this silliness Android3.14 Feb 2015 #223

This comment of yours should have received more attention. Nothing like hearing it from the horses stevenleser Feb 2015 #281

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #282

Thanks Android3.14 Feb 2015 #291

Base = 691 registered voters BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #225

Like....+1 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #241

My goodness, get a grip on yourself. It's a wide-open primary with lots of choices coming up... Hekate Feb 2015 #228

Whose bright idea was it to make Cosmic Kitten a host of Populist Reform of the Democratic Party? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #233

"Screwn" indeed!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #285

That's not accurate, it was asked of all respondents. Beacool Feb 2015 #234

Im alarmed how you've totally confused the facts.. DCBob Feb 2015 #240

As a Daikykos pollster... 34th Avenue Feb 2015 #248

Thank you for so thoroughly validating stevenleser and LynneSinn Number23 Feb 2015 #250

HAHAHHHAHHAHAHHAH JI7 Feb 2015 #251

I'd vote for her Aerows Feb 2015 #253

you should apply for a job with cnn JI7 Feb 2015 #258

This is basic chart reading at this point.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #260

She's lock out of her own thread, gg. So no reply will be forthcoming. Number23 Feb 2015 #261

Ha figures, my first post in this OP blatantly called it giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #262

What post got the hide? Agschmid Feb 2015 #263

I don't think when you get a hide you're locked out of the entire thread./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #264

You are. Agschmid Feb 2015 #265

Yes, you are. n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #266

Interesting. In that case DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #267

Remember he dies in the end... Agschmid Feb 2015 #268

Hillary concurs Number23 Feb 2015 #275

You are. Cha Feb 2015 #271

she is posting similar things in another thread and refuses to acknowledge JI7 Feb 2015 #279

Oy. Then I guess the cosmic furball didn't make it all the way up yet. Hekate Feb 2015 #295

This...would not surprise me at all. SoapBox Feb 2015 #277

I've seen some stupid and-or dishonest posts at DU, but this one takes the cake. onenote Feb 2015 #278

I don't know which is more embarrassing: Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #286

I'm gonna say it's "the recs" as the OP truly seems incapable of being embarrassed. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #288

It's sad when Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #289

Seriously? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #287

Kick. For shits and giggles...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #292

Water is wet. Aerows Feb 2015 #296