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In reply to the discussion: A (sad) tale of two polls. Actually, of one poll. [View all]NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)27. Phone polls are cheap to conduct but notoriously unreliable.
Landlines versus cellphones, caller ID, working and busy people versus people doing nothing sitting at home, or getting far more homebound retired folks, any number of problems can really screw with the outcome of a phone poll.
Then there's the matter of how the questions are asked.
And what qualifies a person as a "liberal" versus a registered Democrat? Is that a self-identification thing?
Do people ever lie during phone interviews? I know I have.
Abraham J. Wyner, Wharton professor of statistics, notes that while the value of a good answer is worth the cost to get it, its becoming more expensive to do a proper poll at a time when the population is indifferent. For instance, telephone polls are considered among the most reliable when it comes to following statistical models and obtaining a scientific random sampling. But in the era of Caller ID, many people choose not to answer their phones if they see an out-of-area number on their machines.
Indeed, a study conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2004 found that more Americans are refusing to participate in telephone polls than was the case six years ago, due to a growing number of unsolicited telephone calls and because potential respondents are armed with increasingly sophisticated technology for screening their calls. A typical survey that employed standard techniques used by opinion polling organizations obtained interviews with people in fewer than three-in-ten sampled households, representing a decrease of about nine percentage points from the late 1990s, the study reported.
The American Association of Public Opinion Research, an organization of public opinion and survey research professionals, points out that the survey research typically conducted by political and marketing polls is not covered by the recent Do Not Call registry, which was established by the Federal Trade Commission in June 2003 to meet the requirement of the Do Not Call Implementation Act. The law made it illegal for telemarketers to call consumers with whom they did not have a prior business relationship. The FTC exempted survey and opinion research because it is a critical part of making and monitoring policy decisions.
While pollsters have always grappled with the person who refuses to answer questions after they pick up the phone, todays pollsters are dealing with what Johnston calls the silent refusal the person who just decides not to pick up the phone. And its a big problem. Willingness to answer the phone, to a great extent, is quite independent of other characteristics, which includes being interested in politics, says Johnston. The kinds of people who answer political surveys now, compared to 40 years ago, are the more interested stratum. You got more apathetics, more marginally interested people 40 years ago than you do now.
more at: http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/polling-the-polling-experts-how-accurate-and-useful-are-polls-these-days/
Indeed, a study conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2004 found that more Americans are refusing to participate in telephone polls than was the case six years ago, due to a growing number of unsolicited telephone calls and because potential respondents are armed with increasingly sophisticated technology for screening their calls. A typical survey that employed standard techniques used by opinion polling organizations obtained interviews with people in fewer than three-in-ten sampled households, representing a decrease of about nine percentage points from the late 1990s, the study reported.
The American Association of Public Opinion Research, an organization of public opinion and survey research professionals, points out that the survey research typically conducted by political and marketing polls is not covered by the recent Do Not Call registry, which was established by the Federal Trade Commission in June 2003 to meet the requirement of the Do Not Call Implementation Act. The law made it illegal for telemarketers to call consumers with whom they did not have a prior business relationship. The FTC exempted survey and opinion research because it is a critical part of making and monitoring policy decisions.
While pollsters have always grappled with the person who refuses to answer questions after they pick up the phone, todays pollsters are dealing with what Johnston calls the silent refusal the person who just decides not to pick up the phone. And its a big problem. Willingness to answer the phone, to a great extent, is quite independent of other characteristics, which includes being interested in politics, says Johnston. The kinds of people who answer political surveys now, compared to 40 years ago, are the more interested stratum. You got more apathetics, more marginally interested people 40 years ago than you do now.
more at: http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/polling-the-polling-experts-how-accurate-and-useful-are-polls-these-days/
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Thats what I keep trying to point out to the Left Leaning Independents on this board!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#76
No, I have a pretty low opinion of Public Policy Polling and people who put stock in their polls.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#9
Why don't you believe it to be the case? And what variables haven't they controlled for?
DanTex
Feb 2015
#25
Lets also remember how early it is, and how "meaningful" these things were in early 2007. (nt)
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#39
The results aren't crap. As long as you have results beyond the 5.6% margin of error
pnwmom
Feb 2015
#15
You're right, the number could be as low as 73.4% approval from Dems. Or as high as 84.6%.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#16
"PPP didn't poll DU or the outcome would have been significantly different! "
SidDithers
Feb 2015
#8
Or if one were to believe in fairytales...one might believe that DU is just like the rest of the
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#82
DU as children or childish, never! I mean that some democrats are gullible like children.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#88
It's simultaneously sad and comical how many recommendations the specious thread got./NT
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#3
Am I correct in reading that "Base" is the raw data from those who answered the poll?
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2015
#4
Its all they have....they are so desperate...they now are using the exact same tactics
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#84
Why would 20 people rec a thread that, deliberately or accidentally, misrepresents polling data?...
SidDithers
Feb 2015
#14
Okay at some point you need to decide if you feel the sample size is representative...
Agschmid
Feb 2015
#98
Well, I am not a hater, but if one polling company can come up with such diverse results,
MADem
Feb 2015
#36
My point is that NONE of them are "reputable" at this stage of the game. It's all bullshit and talk.
MADem
Feb 2015
#63
OK, so no polls showing Bernie Sanders ahead. As I thought. One check in my column.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#64
its not many or most Duers....its just a vocal minority of Left Leaning Independents...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#87
What Democrats on DU? You've told the majority of us we aren't Democrats, remember?
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#119
the POINT is....that misrepresenting the facts in order to substantiate a narrative...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#86
Well, regardless of whether or not the person started that other thread on the basis of a
MADem
Feb 2015
#138
Actually, what I am is a person who is mightily sick of the bullshit tearing down I am seeing on DU.
MADem
Feb 2015
#43
The percentages aren't meaningless unless you read them incorrectly. On purpose.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#53
Where does the poster mention the party base? All I see on that document is 'base'.
Rex
Feb 2015
#65
Obama was guar-ON-TEEEEEEED to lose BIG to RMoney--Guar-ON-TEEEEEEED, I tellya!!!!!
MADem
Feb 2015
#130
If you start with a false premise, the blanks are filled in after one does the math.
MADem
Feb 2015
#135
Based on the two crosstabs posted Hillary is seen unfavorably by more "VOTERS"
Cosmic Kitten
Feb 2015
#111